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zhangs are expensive suppliments. I used both HH caps, (for bart) and the art something, which is suppost to be the strongest one. But no one has any real proof of that. I found high doses of olive leaf gave me stinging pains at first, and so does HH caps.
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I did the Zhang Protocol for six months at max doses, except that I had to stop taking the Circulation P about half way through, since it was raising my blood pressure too much.
It cost me over $500 per month, and made me smell so badly of garlic that my husband would not go near me for the whole six months. I had to explain to everyone I saw why I smelled so bad. It took six months after that before I would eat any garlic again.
I had nothing at all to show for it. I even had a repeat QRiBb test done, which showed I still had a high level of active Lyme infection.
I am not saying this because I am pro-ABX. In fact, I've had zero ABX in over 22 yrs. of living with this crap. I am allergic to all of the ones that kill Lyme.
I've think I've tried every herbal protocol out there, and the only thing that helped me was/is Samento. However, I believe we are all different, and what works for one may do zilch for another.
I hope it helps you,
Klutzo
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I recently met a woman who saw Dr. Zhang, followed his protocol and claims it "made her better."
However, she began treatment with two months of oral doxycycline and two weeks of IV Ceftriaxone, which she found was "hard on her system." She took the garlic at the same time she was undergoing antibiotic therapy. She contends the usual treatment for a long-standing infection is six months. Whether Dr. Zhang, or someone else, told her that, I don't know.
She maintained that it was very difficult to deal with the protocol because of the offensiveness of the garlic odor, but the outcome overrode the drawbacks. She ended up without the joint pain, the terrible inflammation and the intolerable fatigue she experienced when she first became ill.
Dr. Zhang's book, which she recommends, is "Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine." It's available from Amazon.com, and apparently is mentioned on the Andrew Weil website. Weil told her that since Lyme disease is a bacertial infection, it can be treated successfully (without becoming resistant to antibiotics).
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Thanks all for the input.
Klutzo, I would worry about the smell as well. Have you ever tried homeopathy? I'm doing it now, but just started so have no conclusive results just yet
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My LLND started me on Zhang. I have only been doing it for two weeks. I was already doing Buhners protocal. He only changed a couple of things and added Zhangs. My husband hates the garlic too. I'm staying on it to see if it works. I know that I have coinfections, which is what he beleives has to be dealt with before you can effectively deal with the Lyme.
Gail
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Peacesoul
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Hi Gail, thanks for the input. It's so great to see LLMD's working towards natural alternative to abx.
I'm not sure why so many are scared to try alternatives that work, yet they don't flintch when they are told to take cocktails of abx that are so very dangerous.
A board as large as lymenet and so few actually on the natural route. I've heard of more people going into remission on natural "meds" than on abx.
Let's hope this works.....good luck :-)
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It took me a number of months to share the natural route. I also want to share that I have not seen yet in any protocal Pau D'arco. It has made a difference for me. It was one of the first things I did with Una De Gato. I notice a big difference when I remove it from my protocal.
Haave a great day!
Gail
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another part that I have not mentioned is that on any protocal I look at, I always have the quantities muscle tested. I think that is why I have not been terribly sick as I changed and alterred protocals.
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Peacesoul, I was working with a well known local alternative doctor, and he felt the only homeopathic remedy that was appropriate for me was Pleo Alb, for my yeast overgrowth.
It did work pretty well, but I had to take huge overdoses to get results....of course, with homeopathics, that is safe to do. Pleo Alb also cured my husband's tennis elbow...it was caused by yeast in the joint!
My alternative doc's favorite Lyme tx by far is Monastery of Herbs, but that one has chaparral in it, and after 3 weeks, it put me in the ER with liver and gallbladder trouble and dangerously high potasium levels.
The ER doc asked me if I was taking herbs, and said he has seen a dramatic increase in dangerous potassium levels because of all the herbal meds, many of which raise potassium. I had to be treated to remove the excess, since it can cause fatal heart arrhythmias, and the tx was not pleasant.
That made me wonder about my Samento, since it lowers blood pressure, which is one effect of potassium. We never think about the fact that many green plants are full of potassium. I have kept my dosage much lower since then.
I also had to have my gallbladder removed, despite my never having had Rocephin. IMO, the lesson here is avoid chaparral....conventional docs aren't wrong when they say it causes liver damage.
Needless to say, I stopped going to that doctor. I had told him I was afraid of chaparral (I studied Naturopathy), but he was the third alt. practitioner who had told me I needed MOH #173 to kill my Lyme, so I gave in and deferred to their expertise.
The only other homeopathic I've had was Rhus Tox, taken back when I was still dx'd with Fibromyalgia. It did not work.
I am currently doing acupuncture, massage, and Atlas Orthospinology, plus a small daily dose of Samento.
I've been doing acupuncture and massage for over a year with excellent pallative results, but no permanent changes.
I just started the Orthospinology, and have improved the range of motion in my neck by over six inches in 3 sessions, but it is too soon to tell if adjusting my Atlas will allow my nervous system to communicate better with my immune system and help me out with Lyme or not. I do have a severe degree of misalignment of the Atlas....17 degrees....my Chiro says that is almost unheard of.
Good luck with your program.
Klutzo
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