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I am so mad, I have like 5 huge bottles here, now I found out it contains nicotine, YES NICOTINE! I gee, I just quit smoking 8 days ago, just started the mucuna today, and wow, I feel great. No wonder, I just relapsed. What a joke, Im so mad. Any suggestions are welcome.
Does it have nicotine really?
How much nicotine?
I have used this herb in the past, and always got energy from it, so I am mad I cant use it anymore.
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Mucuna pruriens cotyledon powder treatment significantly restored the endogenous levodopa, dopamine, norepinephrine and serotonin content in the substantia nigra. Nicotine adenine dinucleotide (NADH) and coenzyme Q-10, that are shown to have a therapeutic benefit in Parkinson's disease, were present in the Mucuna pruriens cotyledon powder.
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" Nicotine is found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae), predominantly in tobacco and coca, and in lower quantities in tomato, potato, eggplant (aubergine), and green pepper. Nicotine has been found to constitute approximately 0.6 - 3.0% of dry weight of tobacco,[1] with biosynthesis taking place in the roots, and accumulating in the leaves. It functions as an antiherbivore chemical, being a potent neurotoxin with particular specificity to insects; therefore nicotine was widely used as an insecticide in the past, and currently nicotine derivatives such as imidacloprid continue to be wide..." So tomatos have nicotine too? GREAT What do I do NOW?????
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Never heard of this herb.... but yes, the nightshades are bad for us if we're in pain.
Can you use it in small amounts to help you ease off the cigs?? Like a nicotine patch??
Or do you prefer the cold turkey method?
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Cant, tiny amounts give me cravings like crazy. But, if tomatos and all nightshades have nicotine, then I should just not worry? Gees, been eating tomatos for 18 yrs when I didnt smoke then! Anyway, is it NADH? or Actually nicotine, seems one site says its NADH and NOT nicotine, but that its a VERY close mol.
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Mucuna pruriens "Mucuna pruriens seeds contain high concentrations of levodopa, a direct precursor of the neurotransmitter dopamine. It has long been used in traditional Ayurvedic Indian medicine for diseases including Parkinson's Disease.[2][3] In large amounts (e.g. 30g dose) it has been shown to be as effective as as pure levodopa/carbidopa in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease, but no data on long-term efficacy and tolerability is available.[4]
In addition to levodopa, Mucuna also contains 5-HTP, nicotine, N,N-DMT, bufotenine, and 5-MeO-DMT. As such, it could potentially have psychedelic effects, and it has purportedly been used in ayahuasca preparations.[5]" *I'll note however, that N,N-DMT, bufotenine, and 5-MeO-DMT, will not be active if taken orally, without an MAO inhibitor.
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I don't know how safe that stuff is to take on a long-term basis. Look at the Levodopa side effects list You don't want too much peripheral (in the body) dopamine, but rather are seeking the central (in the brain/CNS) dopamine. That is why when they prescribe L-Dopa for Parkinsons disease, they prescribe Carbidopa with it.
Carbidopa prevents the L-Dopa from being turned into dopamine in the body, but not the brain. When L-Dopa is taken without carbidopa, it can cause exessive peripheral dopamine, which has serious health risks, like messing with methylation and producing excessive homocysteine.
Anyway, that's basically what I know about it, be careful with that stuff everyone.
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Dr. K. recommended Mucuna Powder to me and my husband years ago. I suffered from severe Bell's Palsy. Dopamine is most depleted when chronic infections are present. Mucuna is a dopamine precursor.
Mucuna pruriens, commonly known as velvet bean or cowitch, is used as a minor food crop and medicinal bean in India, West Afria, and Central Amnerica. It is regarded as anodyne, antidotal, diuretic, and nervine.
Healing benefits: According to Ayurveda, this herb is a powerful nervine tonic and aphrodisiac, applicable to the treatment of disorders of the male or female reproductive tract, and the spasms associated with Parkinson's or Bell's Palsy. A clinical study confirmed the efficacy of the seeds in the management of Parkinson's disease by virtue of their L-Dopa content, the precursor of the neurotransmitter dopamine. Increases muscle mass and strength. Balances neurotransmitters. Known to enhance mental alertness and improve coordination.
Cautions and contraindications: Must not be taken during pregnancy. Not intended for use for children or when breat feeding except under the care of a licensed medical practitioner.
Dosage: One quarter to one half teaspoon, two to three times per day in warm water or as recommended by your practitioner.
If you do a search here, you will find several "talks" about Mucuna.
Take care.
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Thanks gigi, seems its only got a trace of nicotine, and I bet if we really dug into it, we would find a more or even comp inactive form of it. Anyway, I love it, I feel so much less fatigue now, I cant beleive it. Thanks...searching for more. Great, its 330am cant sleep haha. oh well, better then being sick in bed.
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This question led me off into a whole tangent of things, james...
I'm not sure what to say off-hand about the Mucuna. I need to do more research.
There are trace elements of toxic things in many foods, the air, the water. Some is natural & some is synthetic.
I guess if you are trying to quit smoking, you don't really want to eat things with nicotine (or maybe you do?). The larger picture of any benefit from Mucuna may have to be considered.
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There is a great episode of the Simpsons where Homer breeds a plant that is a cross between a tomato and tobacco. No I know where that idea came from.
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Here is another comment on the healing benefits of mucuna (as told by Dr. K.):
"recently it was reported by several patients suffering from the neurological symptoms associated with Lyme disease that Mucuna often lessened the numbness, fatigue, joint and muscle pains and even relieved paralysis in a number of cases. Mucuna historically is also effective against tuberculosis, a chronic infection often associated with Lyme disease.
Take care.
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allot of herbs have trace elements of what would be considered toxic substances in and of themselves.
my understanding of herbal treatment at it's fullest potential is that the whole herb holds scientifically mystical medicinal qualities that have yet to be understood, muchless reproduced or made better through processing.
the so called "poisonous" elements are somehow curative in this form.
to an extreme, the fda will identify a particular plant component and then place warnings on the whole herb. (which they've done in the case of comfrey, for instance)
this segues to the reason you must use herbs via extensive knowledge of their use (because they're powerful) , your need (because they're powerful), as well as be sure to aquire the best possible herbs grown in their native habitat, as that plays into the mystical medicinal power as well. (as any doctor using herbs to efficacy will know if they are worth their salt).
i've used allopathic and herbal remedies, i'd say each have been about equal to one another as far as efficacy in treating my tbd's start to finish.
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I think the cigarette companies put alot of other things in cigarettes to make them addictive - it's not just the nicotine.
There's even toxic stuff in spinach (not including the E.Coli breakout last year). It's inherent in the plant & I think it causes cancer in some cases (I forgot the exact chemical name). Overall, I still eat spinach on occasion.
Many so called harmful ingredients are used for medicine & in homeopathy. I actually read a "nicotine cure" for Lyme someone came up with. Tobacco has alot of other uses. My boyfriend uses it to keep rodents & insects away in our storage space.
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