tickled1
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Everyone keeps telling me I need to detox and I agree. Problem is, I really don't know how!
Can someone give me a quick rundown of some good detox methods that won't break the bank? Thanks!
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drink water (add lemon)
coffee enemas
exercise
sauna (maybe your gym has one?)
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Detox needs to be done at different levels
Lymp Liver Kidneys Bowel Skin Tissues
Lymp Drainage massage or mechanical (electrical) Lymph Drainage followed by epsom Salt baths and lots of drinking water
Nutramedix Burbur & Parsley Detox also Red Root Tincture keeps lymp fluid flowing and clears die off debris
Mundipur for cleaning and purifying the connective tissues - AMAZING PRODUCT
Detox vitamins would be Vit C, NAC, Quercetin
Progesterone is one of the best liver detox aids for the liver so if you dont supplement already then do
Then you need a catchers net in the bowel so the toxins do not reabsorb - CSM for intense detox and this will also draw toxins out of the body quickly or Nanotek Chitosan. With both of these products be guided by your LLMD as you will need to supplement Minerals and Vits as they draw those outas well as toxins
If your really in to detox a weekly Cholonic with Rectal reforidisation afterwards
And lots and lots of water with fresh squeezed lemon to alkalise and neutralise your system
Working on all channels will give you an ongoing good protocol
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Thank you both SO much!!! That was exactly the type of info I was looking for. I'm also starting to think I have leaky gut syndrome. Lucky me to have another condition not recognized by mainstream doctors! Ugh!!! Posts: 2541 | From Northeast | Registered: Jan 2008
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Laura, I think the leaky gut is all part of the chronic illness. I had that, too. I also had worms ... my husband teased me because I'm so neat, organized, and clean that the idea I would have worms is quite funny.
My gut is healing with the Lyme treatment. Herbs and probiotics helps as well.
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I like to keep Detox relatively simple and cheap. I would use a Lemon/Olive Oil drink, Charcoal, as well as Exercise, fresh water (half your weight in oz), and an internal detox with ALA and or NAC.
Lemon Olive costs: Maybe 20 cents per day. Charcoal costs: 5 cents per day. NAC: 10 cents per day ALA: 5 cents per day Fresh water: 2-5 cents per day (Using a filter). Exercise: Free, or 1 dollar per day at local gym.
Lemon/Olive Oil is basically used to flush the liver, and the toxins bind to the rind/pectin (You blend the entire lemon, rind and all with 1 tbsp Olive Oil, natural, cold pressed, darker the better usually and in light proof container if possible.
Charcoal, follows the Lemon Olive Oil, binds toxins from the G.I. system. Can also be used for digestive distress, acid issues, gas, food poisoning etc. If it's good enough for Emergency rooms, then it's good enough for us.
ALA, NAC, bind toxins and metals in the body, and then allow them to be processed via Glutathione through the liver and kidneys.
Fresh water: Allows toxins and supplements to forcefully flow through the system, flushing things out, literally.
Exercise: Movement activities force the lymph system to do it's job, combines with the supplements, and water, the exercise will get things literally moving so they can be processed through the liver and kidneys.
You get the idea. I pick the best weapons at the lowest cost. Most of these are convenient and can be easily fit into a schedule.
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Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
MB, Where do I get the charcoal, ALA and NAC? Also, what are ALA and NAC. What form does the charcoal come in, a pill?
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You can get most of that stuff any where, but I would go through Vitacost since pricing is cheap and everything can be shipped together.
ALA is Alpha Lipoic Acid: Alpha-lipoic acid (ALA) a nutrient present in all cells of the body. It's involved in metabolism and energy production. It's a strong antioxidant, and works well especially in fatty tissue where other substances are less effective. It's involved in helping bind toxins. It also increases Glutathione. It has many other functions.
NAC is N-Acetyl Cysteine: L-cysteine is an antioxidant. .
N-acetyl cysteine helps protect the liver from certain toxins, and it helps break up pulmonary and bronchial mucus. N-acetyl cysteine also boosts the levels of glutathione which helps detox.
Charcoal does come in pill form. Charcoal is simply a toxin binding form of carbon, which also can reduce gas and bloating, or severity of symptoms from food poisoning.
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awesome info! thank you!
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Sweating through exercise (Moderate aerobic) is very useful while following this routine. Wear a sweat shirt and sweat pants with a tee-shirt underneath. This is as effective as other techniques but more convenient and cheap. The exercise is a double dose. The sweating and the physicial movement help remove toxins.
I forgot to mention that aspect. Some Lyme patients can't do this heat/exercise because they're too ill or intolerant to heat. In those cases, detox baths with lukewarm water, foot pads and other methods like those above me recommended can be really helpful. Burbur, Parsley, and other Nutramedix products. People seem to report consistently that Ozone, Coffee Enemas is effective along with Infared Saunas, but I have no experience with either do to inconvenience and or cost.
The Lemon/Olive drink can be done daily or a few times a week, whatever is convenient for you. You can mix it with fruit juice, like orange etc. The Lemon Olive is very potent, so don't be deceived by it's simplicity. It's a useful weapon for detox.
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I am confused. I was reading on the McDougall forum that Detox is unecessary a waste of time.
Anyone actually try it with success?!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by richedie: [QB] I am confused. I was reading on the McDougall forum that Detox is unecessary a waste of time.
I am astounded by this post - Are you under a LLMD or informed about your illness. Lyme disease produces the most debilitating Neurotoxin that can imobalise a person and destroy Nerve Cells, block hormone receptor sites amongst many other body functions - so YES it is absolutly necessary to have an ongoing Neurotoxin removal protocol in place when dealing with Lyme disease.
For some Lyme patients they have a defective gene that does not let the body naturally eliminate any of this ongoing toxin and they will become totally debilitated - so for them the correct detox protocol is totally necessary.
Would you pour fat down your sink without running hot water or would you allow the fat to conjeal and block up your sink?
Please go forward and spend some time reading informative sites and not forums that mis inform you
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I'm really sensitive and the epsom salts, clay footbaths, and hot saunas and hot tubs just made me sicker.
Burbur helps a little. I think charcoal may, , but can't take too much because it binds good stuff, too. I take enula which acts like a laxative with it.
A massage, although quite expensive, is very beneficial for me. It gives me an energy boost.
Rianna, did you switch LLMD's? Are you undergoing different treatment? I hope you've made some progress. I'm still going to Dr. C. Jury is still out.
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Thank you Metallic Blue and Rianna for that incredible post. I wasn't even looking for that type of information, but will definitely investigate everything you've said. Fantastic.
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Now remember everyone. All methods I mentioned must be started extremely slowly, and it's wise to consult your health care provider who is working with you on treating your Tickbore disease.
Alot of people are sensitive to meds, and herbs I've found, so just go slow. Don't try to be a hero, because the truth about Detox is this, if you take nothing else away during our discussion go with this:
Detoxing fast, will make you sicker, and will slow down progress. Detoxing slow, with effective methods done at appropriate times during the day, will be effective.
quote: am confused. I was reading on the McDougall forum that Detox is unecessary a waste of time.
Anyone actually try it with success?!
Yes, detox works. With Lyme Disease, the illness by it's nature causes toxcity. Other bacteria do the same, and when this occurs the body immediately attempts to process them via the same routes it processes your medications, via the liver and kidneys.
To help this process along, means giving the liver and kidneys more of the resources that they naturally use, to convert the substances more quickly.
Another part of the process after these conversions is getting them out of the body, thus drinking water, or exercising, as well as using specific intestintal detoxifyers.
Remember, the liver, after doing the best it can, will process what is sent to it, then it will excrete the waste into the bowel of your intestine. Your liver directly is connected via gallbladder, billary duct etc.
When waste is excreted, it's often not entirely safe, and it still must travel down the small and large intestine. Often some of the waste is reabsorbed into the intestine, causing ongoing feelings of malaise and ill feeling. To avert this problem, using substances like Carcoal, Benzonite Claw, or even plain old fiber can be of great help.
What can also help is Chlorella, and pectin from fruts like oranges or lemons. Even apples. Pectin was always intended to protect fruit from toxins that may accumuate on them as an infectious pathogen begins eroding the fruits exterior. The exterior is where the antioxidants primarily do their job -- protecting the fruit from the sun. Once inside that barrier, there is a second barrier, a toxin absorbing barrier that protects the seed deep within.
Nature evolved this way with intention, and we evolved to eat them, which in turn protected us. The problem is, most of us don't eat Orange or Pectin Rind, not do we eat much fruits and vetables to begin with on a consistent basis. Also we don't exercise enough, nor consume the recommended daily water that we should.
Without detoxing the body, without using detox absorbing substances, the body will continue to be thwarted in removing these undesirable toxins from the body.
So is detox important? Ask a heroin addict, or an alcoholic, ask someone who has food poisoning, or someone with chronic Tuberculosis or Sphyillis or cancer (Chemo therapy). It's most certainly is important to give the body adequate tools to remove and process the waste of the infection within. There is no debate here. Medical science agrees entirely that detox plays a role in the human bodies ability to remove things within it, which should not be there.
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I highly recommend purchasing "the Detox Box" by Dr. Mark Hyman. I got mine online used from Amazon for 3.00.
IN the box, it contains a cd to listen to to
help guide your detox. The CD was great to help prepare and I listened to it in my car a few weeks before i started. It stresses HOw to
prepare to detox. And when to do it. What to purchase and the best brand products to buy.
Health food store has all the products or can get online sent to you.
There are cards that can be placed in your kitchen or around the house explaining the
program and it is so user friendly to my lyme brain.
I did this the first time before my diagnosis, and continiued for 3 weeks. I was amazed of how
much better i felt all over, but more
interesting, all my sesonal allergies went away. I only did it to see if I could get more
energy. It did help my energy level and my
brain felt less foggy. It's been over two years
now and I have no runny nose and sneezing and
bronchitus.(a side benefit)
Dr. Hyman says his patients all get better to
some degree if they detox for 3 weeks. One week
only clears some toxins, two weeks is noticible , but three weeks can have life long
change in your body. Although any amount is
bveneficial. Us lymies need to go for the 3 weeks if possible.
I am doing it again just starting this week as I
have been on ABX for 3 months now and want to cleanse my blood and liver, etc. After three
days I already feel better.
He recommends
magnesium citrate powder upon rising
20 min later take two Tbsp betonite clay
followed immediately with corn husk powder in
water to bind to the clay, The clay does not
get absorbed by your body, but draws the toxins
to it, and is roemoved in theo bowel.
Also: take milk thistle to protect the liver and
Drink hot water and lemon in the am
and many glasses of purified water with lemon through out the day.
Food: Recommends a breakfast shake everyday made with rice protein powder only, with flax
seeds and borage oil and fruit. The rice is non alergic. Add only non citus fruits to the
shake: strawberries, bludeberried, peaches,
pears.
Snack: fresh vegetable juice anytime or can have shake several times a day.
Lunch: steamed or sauted veggies and salads.
Dinner: fish , brown rice and steamed or sauted veggies
very boring, but extremely effective and non alergic , Helps heal leaky gut too!
Also discusses exercise, it has a yoga plan in the box, and teaches about journaling and time for reflection and stress relief.
It's all incompasing and as a whole is a total detox of the body and spirit.
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lymeparfait,
That sounds like a great, easy to follow program. I think I need something that is easy to follow like that. Do they have something called "Detox for Dummies"? JK
I am definitely going to look into that! Thanks again!
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tickled1
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Anyone have experience w/detox foot baths?
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I was questioning the foot pads too...heard on
this forum that they do not work. Also saw a
show on dateline about them. They said they did
not work after their investigation. I almost
ordered them,but felt I could do better on a detox program again with sauna or salt scrubs and baths.
I say experiment yourself..as long as it is safe , but you should do the whole body detox,
like the Detox box type and you will benefit more. Not everything could be eliminated from
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I think the foot baths (not the pads) send some kind of current through your body. Isn't that kind of like Rife?
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Very interesting thread, especially since my LLMD thinks I have an enzyme deficiency which makes me so sensitive to many ABX.
Anyway, Laura, I did use the bentonite clay footbaths, and got black particles in my bath. My legs would tingle, so I know something was happening. However, mercury is non-magnetic metal, and the clay baths are advertised to take out mercury, but I doubt it.
Bottomline: I herxed really bad from the couple of footbaths I did, and discontinued them. They also take out the good minerals you need, so maybe that was my problem. I became very weak from them.
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Lemon/Olive and ALA with a solid multivitamin/mineral would be a good cheap detox method that's convenient too. That' covers Glutathione, chelation, detoxification in the bowel, parasites, as well as nutritional needs for the appropriate detox process.
This is a very basic protocol.
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I recommend finding a doctor or a naturopath who understands detox that you can work with. My detox is being directed by a doctor who sepcializes in environmental medicine and my LLMD.
If you detox on your own, let your doctor know everything that you are doing. Detoxing can cause exacerbation in symptoms and you can push it too hard. Your doctor should be aware.
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Metallic,
Is chelation removal of heavy metals? What part of what you listed deals with the heavy metals?
My husband is talking about building a sauna so I want to make sure I'm free of heavy metals before using it.
I did test negative through Quest for metals but I don't know if that's good enough. Do you know?
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A heavy metal protocol would be far more comprehensive than what I'm suggesting, but for an all around routine, yes it would be effective for heavy metals over a long period of time. The ALA is the primary heavy metal chelator, but you can also get a prescription for DMSA, but using that really requires careful considerations. If you have intoxification and are loaded, a low dose very often during the day, usually every 4-6 hours is needed, but then other people who have lower levels only need a moderate dose every couple days -- like say 100mg of DMSA.
There are other chelators too, but which are weaker, such as Chlorella, but should only be used in conjunction with ALA, or DMSA. The Lemon Olive binds mentals once they hit the intestine, but it's really the process within the body that is of significance. Glutathione is another effective weapon and helps remove heavy metals.
Hopefully that helps.
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Yes, you were a HUGE help as always. Thank you!
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I started taking charcol again. I never really gave it a shot.
Im hoping for a miracle and I think I might find one.
That sounds amazing that it helped your son that much.
Why dont you believe in CSM again? I was going to go this route myself.
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My LLMD recommended activated charcoal for water soluble toxins, and two capsules really helps with severe herxing, I found. I don't feel great, but I don't feel like I'm dying either.
He also suggested Alli, the diet pill for fat soluble toxins. Charcoal can bind you, but Alli makes you go-go.
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CSue, I've been bringing that up a lot lately. Charcoal is very useful. My only question is, does it bind with our medications, or other valuable herbs or things we might be taking?
How far away should we consume Charcoal if it does have the ability to bind with things we don't want it to?
NSI at Vitacost has an awesome product for Charcoal. It's like 4 dollars or maybe 6 for like 4 months worth.
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I see on here all the time about "move the lymph" and such.... what exactly IS lymph? Like.. the nodes in your neck? What is a Lymph massage??? Can I do it myself?
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I'm really loving this line of discussion. I have done a great deal of detoxing myself. And have helped others on some basic cleanses. But, I find when am on antibiotics and herxing my lyme brain just goes dead. I was experiencing severe nausea with my latest mixture of drugs. My husband reminded me of Kuzu cream with Shoyu and Umeboshi plum. I always offer to make it for him when he is sick. I tried it for myself and it worked like a charm. But back to the detoxing: I have always heard to take charcoal and clay away from any drugs or supplements as they bind with your drugs and deactivate them. So, when I am on drugs I don't use these products. I use them on my off weeks.
What do you guys do, in terms of charcoal and clay?
I seriously need to detox. I have started with the lemon juice, chlorophyll, apple cider vinegar. I haven't stayed consistent because of the nausea. I have colonics scheduled for after the July 4 holiday. But I appreciate the inspiration from this discussion.
I used to talk about this stuff years ago when I first discovered Lymenet but no one was interested. I am back after years of not checking in.
Good to see this positive, self help discussion.
I have tried the far infrared. I was going to a center at $80 for 20 minutes in a wood sauna and 20 minutes in a cocoon type machine that also had far infra-red. I read up on it in "Detox or Die" by Sherry Rogers and realized that I really needed to be doing this as often as possible, every day is ideal. So I bought a small individual cocoon type system. I can still only take about 20 minutes of it. But I do feel better when I am doing it daily. (Have a hard time keeping my Yorkie and my cat out of it.
I got sick in 1982, brought articles on Lyme Disease and one on Infection and Depression to my doctor in the mid - late 80's and he told me there was no Lyme in Florida.
Diagnosed in 2002. I was getting better than I had been in 15 years when "they" put my doctor out of business. I am now going back and having a tough time. Plan to start detoxing and hope to stay with this discussion. Thanks
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