mojo
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I've read several theories and wondered what you all know or think.
I'm doing the full Cowden (will be at full 30 drops of Cumanda tomorrow which will bring me to FULL dose). I'm taking Cumanda and Enula twice per day and the Samento once per the new protocol. Sure would like to be on a higher dose of Samento - any thoughts on this.
Also taking the Serra Peptase and detox drops, etc per protocol. I feel like a chemist. My husband and daughter are going to Italy for 10 days tomorrow so I'll be bringing all my bottles (and not to mention my pills) back and forth to my sister's house. She's a lymie too, so they understand all the "stuff" we do.
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sixgoofykids
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My LLMD had me on grapefruit seed extract for the cyst form.
I was almost symptom-free when I stopped abx and started Full Cowden. I was still having minor symptoms during a flare up or if I took Tindamax the symptoms became major.
So, I did not meet the ILADS standards for stopping treatment, but was willing to try the Full Cowden to see if it would take care of the rest since it was obvious to me and my LLMD that my immune system is very strong. We wanted to give it a try and I was a willing participant (don't want this to be pinned on my LLMD as WE made the decision).
Well, it didn't take care of the rest, not only that, but I've backslidden from 95% to 80%. Now I'm back on the meds along with some Cowden herbs. The new meds are making me herx.
I should throw in there that I am dealing with babs, too. I was on Lariam and Malarone during the time I was on Full Cowden.
I don't want to discourage you from it, but I think it's valuable to have other's experiences whether positive or negative.
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mojo
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Thank you for your response.
I really started the Cowden with the idea of taking an "ABX" break for the summer and that's how I left it with my Lyme Dr. last visit - I'm just so happy to be off of ABX.
Will probably go back at some point - and incorporate the Nutramedix herbs. I like that Cumanda is anti fungal and adding Samento to my ABX did wonders for me. I would also like to try an anti viral like Takuna.
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sixgoofykids
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Well, I think you have the right attitude being open to abx still. If your symptoms worsen, go back to them right away. The mistake I made was ignoring symptoms that were getting worse.
They are good herbs. I especially like the adrenal support and detox.
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I wish you all the best with the Cowden Protocol. I did the full protocol a little while ago..6 months of it, and regrettably, it didn't do anything for me, but it also didn't hurt me either. I am curious though about the Enula, as I have Babesia, and have read good things about that helping it. My insurance no longer covers Malarone, and I do NOT want to go back on Mepron..that stuff was disgusting. My LLMD said the Cowden Protocol, in his experience, helped 75% of patients, so that may be encouraging for you. :-)
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This Cowden Protocol.....are the herbs alcohol based or not?
Thanks,
Trout
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mojo
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Yes, they are the alcohol based.
Lymejul - 75% sounds promising for sure. Sounds like those with Babs have had the least sucess. I don't have symptoms for Babs but I am taking the Enula. No herxes on the herbs yet but I pretty far into my treatment and don't herx much anymore.
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I was on cumanda and burbur for 10 months. I think it may have helped with yeast issues, and for the first time in years I can eat onions raw and cooked!
However, it didn't make a dent in my lyme symptoms, mycoplasma, etc. I stopped it, but I am doing the Enula. Can't really tell if that is working yet.
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mojo
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Thanks, Cheryl Sue.
At this point, I think I'll continue with Cowden for another few months and then either go back on ABX with a cyst bustser OR Rife with Flagyl.
Haven't discussed with my Dr. yet but will in two weeks.
In the meantime I'm fairly certain i have Bart so I may want to do some Bart treatment prior to rifing.
I'm actually doing really well on Cowden and as soon as I finish my humaworm I'm going to try to add another 20 drops of Samento in the a.m.
It's SO expensive, though, and hubby and I are at our worst then we've ever been financially. Never had to worry about money as we both worked professional jobs for 25 years but now things are very very bad.
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djf2005
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cumanda is extremely powerful and works well for many types of infections.
the cyst form, i am unsure of.
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sparkle7
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CherylSue- were you on the full Cowden?
How much were you taking?
I don't know if just taking Cumanda & Burbur will do the trick...
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CherylSue
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I was on cumanda 20 drops twice daily. Burbur when needed, ususally several times a day. I also tried banderol, parsley, adrenal support, takuna, and briefly samento. I am doing Enula for the past few months.
I hear cumanda is a moderate treatment for bart. I don't think I have bart, but maybe, the cumanda took care of that and I didn't know. I do think it helped with yeast.
I had the quickest improvement with doxycyline. Everything else is herx, herx, malaise, etc.
CherylSue
No, I never felt any major improvement on it.
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sparkle7
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How long did you take it? The full protocol is for 6 months & then some.
I think the results may be cumulative.
I herxed like crazy from 1 or 2 drops at first. Then, i was able to get up to 30 drops, twice a day. After a while that seemed OK. Then, after about 1 & 1/2 months, I had a pretty major herx again (plus all of the other herbs on the protocol).
I actually started noticing a white coating on my tongue while taking the cumanda - so it didn't really help me with yeast. I took a yeast control supplement.
The thing with abx is that they may help right off but they may just suppress the bacteria & cause it to go into another form. My "feeling" is that the Cowden protocol works over time. That's why the long term malaise.
I don't know but I guess i'll find out after 6 months.
If it doesn't work, I'll switch to the Buhner or Zhang protocol...
The abx never actually made me feel any better during the time I took them. I guess if they did, I'd still be taking them.
PS - the tinctures have alcohol so they can promote yeast growth. I took a product with grapefruit seed extract for yeast & it did make me herx - so I "killed 2 birds with one stone" so to speak.
The GSE may have busted some cysts. I'll probably take it again every so often.
I don't know if the Cowden herbs actually get all the forms of Bb but I wold assume it does. It's pretty well thought out.
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