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I got sick aftering staying at my Aunt's cottage. I developed symptoms 2 weeks after my visit.... that was August of 2007
Over the winter- my aunt started getting dizzy... she's still dizzy.
Last month- my husband has developed frozen shoulder (which is apparently rare considering his age- 36)
Am I ultra paranoid or do we all have lyme?
I'm suggesting that my husband see my LLMD and perhaps try a round of ABX to see if it helps his shoulder.
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Was your "Aunt's cottage" in a rural setting?
There is no evidence that lyme is "contagious".
I don't believe it is.
Is it possible that you were all infected while staying in the same location? Definitely.
Unfortunately, there is no shortage of ticks. Plenty to go around.
So yes, please get yourself and family checked out. You can find help here to find an LLMD if you post in "seeking doctor".
Good luck.
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As mentioned above, I don't think you "caught" it from your aunt, but it is HIGHLY likely that you were all in the same area where there were infected ticks and got exposed during the same time.
My personal recommendation would be that you all get to an LLMD and atleast get it ruled out. If you need doctors in your areas, head over to the seeking a doctor section and request one in each of your locations.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Cathy
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Agree about not catching....it only seems possible through placenta or breastmilk from my research and understanding. Others think it is highly contagious though!!!!
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There is also evidence that it is passed through intercourse and the blood supply. Bb has been found in tears so it has been speculated that it can be passed on through touching simliar things in the environment. There are no serious concerted studies addressing these issues. This is what I question.
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Ticks. Ticks. Ticks.
Fleas and mosquitos carry these bugs, too.
We really need to stop calling Lyme a tickborne disease. If we hadn't done this beginning in the 70's, I would have learned about Lyme sooner.
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Lyme is passed on by:
1. ticks 2. fleas 3. mosquitos 4. stinging insects 5. unpasteurized milk (research/ University of Wisconsin) 6. blood transfusions (per CDC - all borrelia survive transfusions 7. human to human, via breastmilk, sexual contact(C. R. Jones, M.D.)
A group of German students researched: collected matter from public phones, doors, etc. All tested positive in lab.
Take care.
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My LLMD recently said LD can be found in both blood and feces.
I have heard salvia and semen before.
Dr. S. told one poster here that there was an experiment done with 2 female rats that they put in one cage. One rat had LD and one did not. After awhile both rats had LD.
In my own humble opinion I think you can get Lyme disease from other humans as well as ticks fleas and other biting insects.
I think sharing drinks or water with others is not a good idea if you have Lyme disease and safe sex would be a good idea especially if you do not want to keep passing the spirochetes back and forth.
Lyme disease seems to sometimes run in families. I know of one couple where the husband use to be very active in outdoor activities while his wife was not and they both have the disease.
Lyme disease is caused by a spirochete just like syphilis is. Both of the two LLMDs I have been to both think the disease can be sexually transmitted. I know not all LLMDs agree on this one.
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Dr Garth Nicolson, who is a scientist who has done extensive research on mycoplasma/gulf war syndrome says that if you have Lyme you have mycoplasma.
He also says that his research shows that it is contagious between family members and pets and needs to be treated all at once including pets or you re infect each other.
I totally believe Lyme and Co, mycoplasma and whatever are all pretty much interelated. Google his name and read his research.
There is so very much we don't know or understand about this mess we are invloved in.
If you call him he will even talk to you about it and how it is all connected.
Scares me.
HUGS
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How substantial is the cottage? are there pets? Might ticks get in? You have to have direct blood-to-blood contact for transmission of lyme. Sexual transmission is probably possible but not likely. It seems mosquitos might be worrisome. DaveSPosts: 4567 | From ithaca, NY, usa | Registered: Nov 2000
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If all of these facts are true, then I think 98% of the general population must be carriers of one of the TBD's, at the very least.
You could treat your dogs, then, unknowingly, they could get infected AGAIN by sniffing or touching another dog's feces or having another infected dog licking them.
I could be in total remission, meet a handsome guy and end up kissing him NOT knowing he's infected with Bart. Do I ask all men I intend to kiss togo to an LLMD first?
I guess my point is (and I'm trying to convince MYSELF of this, as well), that unless we continue our lives wearing one of those monster white suits and glass masks then there's no way of telling when re-infection or infection occurs.
Even a mosguito or a tiny deer tick could bust its way up the leg of the big white pant suit and bite you.
There HAS to be a delicate balance of being aware and not being petrified, paralyzed and be able to still enjoy life.
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Call it denial but I think I wish to say there.....otherwise, you cant kiss, you cant have sex, you cant be in contact with thos around you unless you fear getting them ill and vice versa...
it it were true then everyone would have it
i can see blood transmission, i can see several but even aids is not always transferred every time sexually...it is a hit or miss thing.
i dont know.....i dont like this topic
it makes me sad
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I agree, CJ, it's a very very sad topic and it makes me depressed.
It takes all of the potentital joy out of life.
I won't throw caution to the wind completely but I refuse to be petrified and paralyzed by fear.
Lyme disease is caused by the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi. While it is still the most common vector-borne disease in the country, it is also transmitted in other ways. Infection occurs through blood transfusion, organ transplant, casual contact and by congenital means.
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