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oh, the negatives i keep thinking regarding zhang is the garlic smell (i am a financial advisor so i can't be smelly while i am meeting with clients.
the cowden seems so involved- tons of tinctures and i am not all that great about timing things throughout the day. i never have a set schedule with anything.
so, i have to make a decision. i can't find much feedback regarding jernigan's so i am leaning either toward cowden or zhang.
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Maybe I am the odd man out, but I would suggest Buhner's protocol.
Hubby has not really tried Cowden -- have a couple of bottles of things I would like to try. He did use one bottle of parsley and one bottle of Burbur -- thought both were helpful for detox. Would reorder except for the cost. For him a bottle would probably only last a week and it adds up quickly.
Zhang -- hubby has tried two products. Do believe in the HH -- supposedly for Bart. All I know is that hubby says he can feel it in his brain. Also tried Circulation P -- not really sure if that helped or not.
As for Jerningan -- This was the first thing hubby tried when he was diagnosed -- even before antibiotics. At that time we did not have internet access and didn't know much about Lyme or herx reactions. Hubby ended up in the ER, hospital and psych ward several times during the month we were in Kansas.
Hubby probably would have had the same reaction to antibiotics. Personally Jernigan's Borrelogen is way too expensive in my opinion. I don't think any of the detox things he offers were helpful for hubby. Would try the Borrelogen again if I could afford it.
The only good thing hubby got from that whole experience was a positive PCR test for Lyme.
Would definitely suggest you add a fibrinolytic product -- Wobenzyme, Vitalzyme or whatever.
Hubby was on the Buhner protocol for about 4 months a couple of years ago. Remained stable on it, but did not get well. I wish sometimes that we had pushed for higher doses. Not sure that that would have worked though as Bart and Babs seem to be hubby's main issues. In my opinion Buhner's Lyme protocol is more effective than his protocols for coinfections.
Hubby only worked up to 4 andrographis daily. This was the hardest for him to take. I still have a couple of bottles of this that I plan to use up sometime. Hubby remains on Resveratrol and Sarsaparilla -- 6 capsules of each. He dropped the cat's claw -- this one never seemed to do much for him.
Good luck whatever you try.
Bea Seibert
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i'm reading a book called "lyme disease solution" and guy supports the buhner protocol.
i think buhner has a web site also but i don't know what it s.
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You can read many reviews and look over these books at Amazon - you can scroll up and left of this page for the link.
Just two of many:
Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Stephen Harrod Buhner (Paperback - Jun 25, 2005)
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The Lyme Disease Solution by Kenneth B. Singleton, M.D. and James A. Duke (Paperback - Feb 1, 2008)
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I've been on the full Cowden protocol for about 45 days. I have felt some changes. I'm not taking any abx.
I sort of think it's counter-productive to take both abx & herbs. For now, I prefer to let the herbs do their thing. I'd like to give it the full 6 months to see if my body can kick the bacteria.
With abx, it just seems to me that your body is supressing the bacteria. I think this is why so many people relapse. It's a personal decision, though.
Cowden seems good but you do have to stick with the protocol & that means taking the tinctures about 6 times a day. It's a bit hard but it's not too bad. I can relate... I have an odd schedule, too.
I'm happy with the Cowden protocol so far. I think it's doing something. I can feel it. You have to give any herbal protocol some time to work. It's really a discipline to stick with it.
The principles of herbal healing is that your body eventually gains enough strength to heal itself. That doesn't happen with antibiotics. That's why it doesn't make alot of sense to me to do both, concurrently.
Just my opinion, though. It depends on a bunch of factors as to what protocol to choose.
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I have been on Cowden for 2.5 months and for the first time in my lyme life I feel like I have my life back. My head is clearer, my energy level is back to norm and I have the interest in life that I lost...just to name a few of the positive changes. I would recommend the COWDEN PROTOCOL to all those suffering w/ Lyme. It has ended my misery. Don't get me wrong, I do have my lyme days (and any herxing is the killing off, so I'm grateful for that)but the GREAT days far outway the bad! If anyone has a lyme doc who may be open to using the Cowden Protocol, please pm me. Been dealing for 13 months. 5 of which were IV Zithromax. PICC line is out and Cowden is in!
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I am on day 22 of the Cowden Protocol. I like it so far. Nice break from taking all those pills.
Having a some old brain symptoms that returned yesterday so laying low today and trying to figure things out.
I would recommend it so far.
I know the chart and all the bottles looks overwhelming.
I was uncertain if I would be able to do it.
But, so far so good. I think it is easier for me than the pills, IV, shots, etc.
Lyme hit me hard. I have difficult sitting upright, being on my feet, multi tasking and multi movement, reading etc.
Good luck to you.
I also like the idea of taking herbs and that it is dealing with heavy metals, anti fungals, bacteria, adrenals, detox, etc.
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uh, what exactly is cowden and how does it differ from buhner? i know buhner is a lot of herbs.
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I'm on the full Cowden right now but while I was on ABX I used 20 drops of Samento as well. (10 drops 2 x per day) It was very effective, I think.
I just needed and ABX break after over 2 years and that's why I went to the Cowden. The drops do get a little annoying but not too bad.
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I have been doing Zhangs for two months along with some of Buhners protocal. I don''t have brain fog anymore. I feel good most of the time and am excited about progress. I am about to start removing the mercury from my mouth. I've heard that you will feel worse while you do that, but then you can get better. You see there are spaces under the mercury, root canals and caps where infections can hide, I've heard it can create some really dangerous pathogens which also weakens our imune system.
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Have you read Stephen Buhners book? im doing his protocol after 20 months of antibiotics and feeling great. im herxing more on the herbs than ive done on most of the antibiotics even the IV ones. Even if you dont do his protocol the book is pretty informative. Im always intereting in Cowden and the other herbal protocols too and thinking of adding the Enula from nutramedix for Babesia. it feels like a really good way to transition off anti-biotics by taking herbs that are killing lyme but also boosting ur immune system etc good luck with figuring out ur protocol, its really whatever appeals to you the most:)
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i forgot about buhner's protocol. i didn't read his book, will order it since i have heard great things about it.
i guess i'll read more about each protocol- seems like many have great results on zhangs, buhners, and cowden.
for those of you on cowden, are you taking every single one? how much does it cost a month? also, not sure how to figure out the recommended drops for me, I weigh 90 lbs. so i am assuming i don't take as many? although my llmd always has me on full dosage of abx, same as people 2x my size.
on the zhang protocol is there an effective way to stop that garlic smell- i thought someone mentioned taking something with it to minimize smell?
i guess there really aren't many trying jernigan's as i don't hear anything about this.
thanks!
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With the full Cowden's protocol - everything is charted out for you. They give you a day to day chart of which herbs to take when.
I had a big response to the ENULA so I cut the dosage back a bit. Otherwise, it's all thought out for you. I guess that's why I liked this protocol the best. It was all planned out for 6 months & you just get the tinctures & follow along.
I got the herbs for free through my doctor. Nutramedix has a plan that each doctor who gets the herbs can get them for free for 6 months for 1 or 2 patients. I had to nag my doctor but it was worth it. I think the complete protocol is about $400 - 500 a month. I'm not sure if they are still doing this offer.
I have used non-Nutramedix tinctures but I think the Nutramedix ones are superior - even though they cost more.
With the Buhner protocol - you have to order everything yourself & figure it all out. It's not a bad thing but it is extra brain work. If you have brain fog - it's a bit much to think about.
I don't know anything about Zhang except that it's supposed to be very good for co-infections.
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Great link Bea! Thanks.
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who is your llmd sparkle- i see dr. e in nj. so i was wondering if you saw someone in nj.
can't do buhner's then. i know how i am - not that i have brainfog so much, but i need to follow a simple plan. the thing that worries me about cowden is that there are soooooooo many tinctures and so many different times you need to take them.....
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My doctor is in CT. I mostly self treat. I don't have insurance - even if I did I don't think it would have helped.
You really have to be on top of it with discipline if you do the Buhner's protocol. Make sure you have everything & do it all the time... ie: take everything as scheduled in the right amounts.
If you dabble, it won't work. You have to stick with it & give it some time. You have to order the herbs separately from different sources with Buhner's protocol. It's not that hard but it's kind of a pain. It's also good to switch things around every once in a while so the spirochetes don't get used to the same herbs/dosages.
Cowden's protocol is easier - I think. You just have all the herb tinctures. You can stick em in a bag & take em with you - if necessary. You just need glasses of water throughout the day.
People do abx for years non-stop - so, you have to apply the same discipline to taking herbs.
I haven't done the Buhner herbs but I might after the Cowden protocol. It's really going well with the Cowden herbs, though.
I'm herxing but 1 group of herbs mellows it out a bit. I think it's very well thought out.
Also - grapefruit seed extract may be a cyst buster. There's a scientific study about it on PubMed. It might be good to take that every so often as you can bear it. Look up the recent thread about it for further info.
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