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My daughter is the one with Lyme but I am lately having some symptoms that could fit.
I'm having stomach pain (diagnosed as gastritis after an upper endoscopy), constipation, intermittent knee pain, chest pain, and most alarming, air hunger. I have had headaches for years but I've noticed they are becoming more frequent recently. All of these symptoms have come up again in the past 3 months.
The air hunger and chest pain have gone away for now. I had them along with the stomach pain 3 or 4 years ago for a while, too. I was diagnosed with esophagal spasms to explain the chest pain back then. Recently, I was told anxiety was the cause of my shortness of breath. I don't buy it.
I've thought about just getting the IGeneX test done if my doctor would order it. Do I have enough symptoms that I should see an LLMD? If my test is negative, I know that doesn't necessarily rule it out but do I have enough symptoms to think it is a possibility?
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An LLMD visit probably couldn't hurt. Sure as hell hope you
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Totally agree with adamm...see an LLMD. One thing I've found is docs don't like it when their patients have something they can't identify, so they give excuses....ex...anxiety attacks.
All your symptoms could be lyme related, as my family has had them all at one time or another and they tend to come and go.
Something we haven't had in months will suddenly manifest again and it cycles.
Take care,
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Yes, see an LLMD before you get really sick and can't take care of your daughter.
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Some of your symptoms suggest that it could be lyme plus one or more coinfections, so it would be good to go to someone who knows a lot about tickborne diseases. Most doctors don't have a clue about the coinfections, and are poorly informed about lyme.
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The tests are numerous - seeing an LLMD first for a clinical evaluation will allow the doctor to do tests in the order of importance if funds are limited.
Be sure to go over your travel history as there are hundreds of strains of lyme world-wide. The U.S. tests only for one.
Also, some co-infections require different treatment while others may be addressed with the same meds as lyme treatment. So, if only so many tests can be ordered, it's vital to have the knowledge of a doctor who is well versed in this and has years of experience.
Also - as you know, sometimes even a person very ill with lyme may have a negative test. Also the CDC criteria and its shortcomings is not understood by most doctors so a test marked "negative" may, in fact, be positive.
But if a regular PCP sees a negative test, they will not know how to further evaluate. And if a test comes back negative to your PCP, it will be in your file and forever discount other, more specific tests, that may follow with a LLMD.
Once in your file, nothing can be changed. There can be additions, but those may not be seen or given equal weight.
This is a clinical diagnosis with tests (hopefully) helping. But tests leave a lot to be desired.
There are certains ways to get the most accurate test possible and an LLMD will be able to instruct you in that from which labs to how the blood is handled and shipped to whether - or not - you need to do this is a specific window of time with - or without - antibiotics prior.
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The article below speaks to the question of testing. But it does not cover co-infection testing.
www.igenex.com IGENEX' own site may answer some questions.
No doubt, if your PCP is lyme aware, this might work okay to save some funds but, still, to have a expert evaluation can save the day. I never got that.
I did get positive for 3 TBD from Igenex in '97 but never had any PCP who gave a rip about that - until many years later, but still, never had a doctor who had training in this. I hope you can find an expert.
Trying to do this on your own is very difficult without a great doctor. If it is not determined to be lyme or a TBD, the LLMD would know what other stealth infections to rule out, such as Cpn, mycoplasma, HHV-6, etc.
Once you know what you are dealing with, then you can decide which path - or combination of paths - to follow.
The Clinical Advisor is a monthly journal for nurse practitioners and physician assistants in primary care. home: www.clinicaladvisor.com
From the May 2007 issue of Clinical Advisor
CONTROVERSY CONTINUES TO FUEL THE "LYME WAR'' By Virginia Savely, RN, FNP-C
As two medical societies battle over its diagnosis and treatment, Lyme disease remains a frequently missed illness. Here is how to spot and treat it.
Controversy over the treatment of a particular disease is not uncommon. There are many illnesses for which there are different schools of thought and more than one treatment method--e.g., heart disease, prostate cancer, and breast cancer.
When it comes to Lyme disease, a bacterial infection caused by the corkscrew-shaped spirochete ,Borrelia burgdorferi, the battle lines are particularly distinct, and the opposing viewpoints reach vitriolic proportions, to the ultimate detriment of the patients.
Lyme disease, which is most commonly acquired through the bite of an infected tick, has been reported in every state and has become the most common vectorborne disease in the United States
. In 2005, the CDC received reports of 23,305 cases, resulting in a national average of 7.9 cases for every 100,000 persons.
In the 10 states where the infection is most common, the average was 31.6 cases for every 100,000 persons. The CDC estimates that the disease is grossly underreported, probably by a factor of 10.
Meet the players ****************
The opponents in the battle over the diagnosis and treatment of Lyme disease are the Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA), the largest national organization of general infectious disease specialists, and
the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS), an organization made up of physicians from many specialties.
IDSA maintains that Lyme disease is relatively rare, overdiagnosed, difficult to contract, easy to diagnose through blood testing, and straightforward to treat (www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/journal/issues/v43n9/40897/40897.html. Accessed April 6, 2007).
ILADS, by contrast, asserts that the illness is much more common than reported, underdiagnosed, easier to contract than previously believed, difficult to diagnose through commercial blood tests, and difficult to treat, especially when treatment is delayed because of commonly encountered diagnostic difficulties (www.ilads.org /guidelines.html. Accessed April 6, 2007).
Diagnosis: Where it all begins *****************************
If all cases were detected and treated in the early stages of Lyme disease, the debate over the diagnosis and treatment of late-stage disease would not be an issue, and devastating rheumatologic, neurologic, and cardiac complications could be avoided.
However, Lyme disease is often missed during its early stage when it could be most easily treated (Table 1).
Since the deer tick is no larger than the period at the end of this sentence, it is not surprising that people frequently do not realize they've been bitten. In a hairy part of the body, the tick is almost impossible to see, and even when it is noticed, it is often mistaken for a mole or scab.
When the tick latches on, it injects salivary components that anesthetize the area and decrease inflammation at the site of the bite, leaving the victim unaware of the tick's presence and allowing it to feast undisturbed.
The erythema migrans (EM) rash is commonly known as the ``bull's-eye'' rash for its characteristic shape.
The CDC maintains that a patient presenting with a bull's-eye rash does NOT require testing for Lyme disease because the rash is diagnostic in its own right.
However, the rash does not always present in the classic pattern of concentric, round, red circles. EMs can be oval in shape and/or solid in color, with shades of pink, purple, and red.
The rash may or may not contain pustules, itch, feature a dark spot in the middle, or have a denuded center. The size varies from that of a quarter to 12 in or more.
Some victims develop a diffuse rash over the entire body. EMs are commonly misdiagnosed as spider bites, cellulitis, or ringworm. To complicate matters further, as many as half the people who acquire Lyme disease from a tick bite develop NO RASH at all.
Frequently, a clinician mistakenly assumes that there are no Borrelia-carrying ticks in the patient's geographic area and fails to include the disease in the appropriate differential diagnosis. Lyme disease should be considered regardless of where a patient lives.
Ticks are carried on numerous animals, including household pets, rodents, deer, and birds, so it is little wonder that Lyme disease-transmitting ticks are not confined to a few distinct geographic areas.
A travel history should be obtained to determine whether the patient has recently traveled to a particularly Lyme-endemic area (the northeastern United States, north-central United States, and the Pacific coastal region).
Most clinicians are not familiar with the varied signs and symptoms of Lyme disease (Table 2), and this contributes to misdiagnosis (Table 3).
Children may present differently than adults, with predominant symptoms being changes in behavior and school performance.
In affected children, parents typically report mood swings, irritability, obsessive-compulsive behavior, and new-onset attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder. Physical symptoms in children may include fatigue, frequent headaches or stomachaches, urinary symptoms, and migratory musculoskeletal pains.
When a patient presents with a collage of seemingly unrelated symptoms, there is a natural tendency to assume that a psychological component is at play.
Patients with Lyme disease almost always have negative results on standard blood screening tests and have no remarkable findings on physical exam, so they are frequently referred to mental-health professionals for evaluation.
The testing conundrum *********************
The CDC is aware of the insensitivity of the tests for Lyme disease and encourages clinicians to use judgment rather than a test result to make the diagnosis (www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid /lyme/ld_humandisease_diagnosis.htm. Accessed April 5, 2007).
As previously mentioned, however, most clinicians do not feel confident in making this judgment call and continue to look to unreliable test results for confirmation of disease.
The Western blot test **********************
Because B. burgdorferi is an extremely difficult bacterium to culture in the lab, testing has relied on detection of antibodies to the organism.
The Lyme enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) gives a titer of total immunoglobulin (Ig) G and M antibodies and is currently the accepted initial screen for suspected disease.
Since a screening test should have at least 90% sensitivity, the 65% sensitivity of the commercial Lyme ELISA should lead to its reconsideration as an acceptable screening tool .
The Western blot, which is commonly used as a confirmatory test for Lyme disease, is more sensitive than the ELISA.
While the CDC has published strict criteria for positivity on the Western blot to make a more exclusive cohort for epidemiologic purposes, it never intended for these criteria to be used for diagnosis.
Unfortunately, the restrictive criteria omit several of the important bands on the blot that are highly sensitive markers for the presence of B. burgdorferi (see ``Interpreting the Western blot,'').
Clinicians should become acquainted with the relative sensitivity and specificity of each of the bands on the blot to make an appropriate assessment for diagnostic purposes.
A negative test based on epidemiologic criteria may be a positive test for diagnostic purposes.
Treatment dilemmas ******************
The Lyme spirochete presents a formidable adversary. With more than 1,500 gene sequences, B. burgdorferi is genetically one of the most sophisticated bacteria ever studied.
Treponema pallidum (the spirochete responsible for syphilis), for example, has 22 functioning genes whereas the Lyme disease spirochete has 132.
Borrelia burgdorferi's stealth pathology makes eradication of the disseminated organism a near impossibility.
Before the tick delivers its inoculum of spirochetes into the host, it injects a substance that inhibits the immune response, allowing the spirochete to gain a strong foothold. The spirochete itself secretes enzymes that help it to replicate and infect the host.
Once disseminated throughout the body, B. burgdorferi secludes itself and becomes difficult to detect through laboratory testing--and by the host's immune system. The bacterium may hide in its host's WBCs or cloak itself with host proteins.
Furthermore, it tends to hide in areas not usually under immune surveillance, such as scar tissue, the central nervous system, the eyes, and deep in joints and other tissues.
Phase and antigenic variations allow B. burgdorferi to change into pleomorphic forms to evade the immune system and antibiotics.
The three known forms are the spiral shape that has a cell wall, the cell-wall-deficient form known as the ``L-form'' (named not for its shape but for Joseph Lister, the scientist who first identified these types of cells), and the dormant or latent cyst form.
Encapsulating itself into the inactive cyst form enables the spirochete to hide undetected in the host for months, years, or decades until some form of immune suppression initiates a signal that it is safe for the cysts to open and the spirochetes to come forth and multiply .
Each of these forms is affected by different types of antibiotics. If an antibiotic targets the bacterium's cell wall, the spirochete will quickly morph into a cell-wall-deficient form or cyst form to evade the chemical enemy.
Borrelia burgdorferi has an in vitro replication cycle of about seven days, one of the longest of any known bacteria.
Antibiotics are most effective during bacterial replication, so the more cycles during a treatment, the better.
Since the life cycle of Streptococcus pyogenes (the bacterium that causes strep throat) is about eight hours, antibiotic treatment for a standard 10 days would cover 30 life cycles.
To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks.
Within the tick gut are hundreds of different types of pathogens. How many infect humans is unknown.
Some have been identified and are known to intensify morbidity and complicate treatment of Lyme disease.
Awareness of three coinfecting genuses in particular--Ehrlichia, Bartonella, and Babesia--has increased, and persistent infection with these organisms has been described.
Testing for and treating these coinfections has become part of the approach for clinicians who specialize in the treatment of Lyme disease.
Treatment methods *****************
IDSA guidelines recommend treating certain high-risk tick bites with a prophylactic single dose of doxycycline. This is recommended only if the tick is clearly a deer tick that was attached for 36 hours or more, the patient was in an endemic area, and if treatment can be started within 72 hours of the time the tick was removed.
Most ILADS practitioners treat any high-risk tick bite with a full month of doxycycline.
If a patient presents with EM or has a positive Lyme test, IDSA guidelines recommend treating with either doxycycline, cefuroxime, or amoxicillin for 10-21 days.
All other antibiotics are specifically not recommended. After the prescribed amount of time, treatment is discontinued whether symptoms remain or not.
However, if symptoms remain severe after the patient has been off the antibiotics for a few months, treatment with another two to four weeks can be considered. One month of IV antibiotics is recommended for severe arthritis or neurologic disease.
IDSA stresses that persistent symptoms do NOT indicate chronic infection and that prescribing long-term antibiotics to patients unresponsive to the typical two- to four-week course is USELESS and potentially harmful.
``There is no convincing biologic evidence for the existence of symptomatic chronic B. burgdorferi infection among patients after receipt of recommended treatment regimens for Lyme disease,'' the guidelines state.
``Antibiotic therapy has not proven to be useful and is not recommended for patients with chronic (six months or longer) subjective symptoms after recommended treatment regimens for Lyme disease.''
Patients who continue to suffer from persistent fatigue, pain, and cognitive disturbances after a traditional short course of antibiotics are rare, the IDSA panel claims.
These patients have developed ``post-Lyme syndrome,'' probably due to an immune system that cannot shut down after the infection is gone. This syndrome can only be treated with symptomatic care and tincture of time.
ILADS, on the other hand, promotes the idea that the Lyme spirochete is very hard to eradicate and persistent symptoms are due to ongoing infection.
This organization's approach is to treat with antibiotics as long as symptoms remain. Off-label combinations are often used based on clinical experience.
Variable response to antibiotics and occasional antibiotic resistance are thought due to the fact that there are over 100 strains of B. burgdorferi in the United States and 300 strains worldwide .
Since the Lyme spirochete is adaptive and morphs to a new cell type when under stress, clinicians who advocate aggressive, long-term treatment support giving two or three different classes of antibiotics at the same time and changing the treatment protocol every two to three months.
Higher-than-normal doses of antibiotics are given to achieve better penetration of both the tissue and the blood-brain barrier.
IM injections of long-acting penicillin or IV administration of antibiotics are recommended for patients with neurologic disease.
Precedent for the safety of long-term antibiotic use has shown that the benefits outweigh the risks.
According to ILADS, treatment is complicated by the frequent presence of coinfections, which can intensify symptoms and prolong treatment.
Therefore, antibiotics that target the coinfections are usually prescribed prior to or along with those that treat Lyme disease.
Table 4 lists treatment options used by ILADS clinicians to target the various forms of the B. burgdorferi bacterium, and Table 5 lists treatment options for the most common coinfections.
Occasionally, Jarisch-Herxheimer reactions complicate Lyme disease treatment. These symptom intensifications are due to elevated cytokines and toxins released during B. burgdorferi die-off.
Many patients notice that symptoms occur cyclically (every 21-28 days). When these intensification reactions occur, the treatment can be temporarily worse than the disease.
It is difficult to decide when to stop treating Lyme disease since there is no test that demonstrates a cure.
Because of the lack of simple culture techniques and the low sensitivity of antibody tests, a negative test does not rule out infection.
Treatment cessation is based on symptom resolution, which means that symptoms may return if the infection has not been eradicated.
The road ahead **************
Rather than shy away from the complexities and controversies of Lyme disease, clinicians should welcome the chance to learn about this condition. Lyme disease is much more prevalent than most realize. Clinician education will reduce patient suffering and hopefully put an end to the ``Lyme War.''
For a list of references used in this article, contact the editor via e-mail ([email protected]) or telephone (number at link).
Ms. Savely is the owner of TBD Medical Associates in San Francisco. She is a nurse practitioner who specializes in treatment of Lyme disease and other tickborne illnesses.
I thought if people here thought I was just over-reacting and seeing Lyme everywhere I would get over it.
I really don't trust any doctor who isn't an LLMD to tell me I don't have Lyme and/or coinfections.
My PCP was open to the idea at my last visit and acted like she would order whatever test I wanted. She did order the local test thinking that if it was positive, it would save some money and be covered by insurance. I did do that just to see but I know that means nothing. I didn't really think about my file having a negative test in there.
I think I'll just wait to see the LLMD and have him order whatever tests he thinks.
Thanks again.
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After you see an LLMD, your regular doctor can order those tests with the specifications from the particular labs IF they happen to be covered by insurance that would be great.
You might still have the "negative" tests that might not be negative in your chart, but is does sound like your PCP might understand.
If you are likely to stay with her for a while that might still work out. However, these days, many medical files wind up on computer. You don't want a false negative test on your computer files, accessed in an emergency if, by chance, you might be on a treatment for that.
There's a lot to consider. Not many speciality labs take insurance, but if they do it sure could be a big help.
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