tickled1
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Hi there,
I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this. When I use my laptop, which is a lot, and hold it on my lap I notice that my thighs ache something terrible, right down to the bone. If I place it on a pillow though, it doesn't hurt.
I also have had pain in my right ear/neck for a long time now and I just came to the realization that that's the side I always hold my cell phone on.
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lymeHerx001
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EMFs, theres one Lymie in here from New Mexico who will go into much depth about her own sensitivites to them.
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There are some people who believe this is an EMF sensitivity. Alternatively, I suggest that the heat from the laptop itself can cause acheyness, especially in lyme patients who have the "I don't do well in heat, but I'm rather immune to cold" symptom set. Its also quite possible that the way you position the laptop on your lap may put stress on your legs.
As far as the cell phone is concerned, do you use an earpiece, or hold the phone to your head? Do you crane your neck a lot while speaking. What about trying to switch to the other ear? Also, if your phone itself is warm and you're very heat sensitive as listed above, this could be part of the problem.
I'm hesitant to suggest that this is an EMF issue, especially when you cite that putting the laptop on a pillow (but obviously, still close by) doesn't bother you.
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I'm electrosensitive and on my way to getting Alzheimer's, just like my grandmother, probably from a build-up of oxidized magnetic iron in my brain. No doctor will listen to me though, so I hope I don't 'forget' why I'm ill when the early-onset Alzheimer's epidemic peaks among kids in a few years and I can't remember my own name.
I had my teeth cleaned a week ago, and they are already majorly greying again from the release of metals from my brain. You can't brush it off either, because it is magnetic.
I used to fall asleep with an electric heating pad against my back, and by the time I'd wake up, my back would feel better, but my eyes would be swollen and oozing green stuff. I also used a cordless phone and lived with a cell phone user (my daughter) for years.
I'm convinced the wireless boom caused my chronic Lyme, and that the spirochete isn't really anything special and this clever, conniving monster that everyone makes it out to be, and that antibiotics will never cure me or anyone else here permanently.
It seems we should be talking about 'chronic babesia' and 'chronic bartonella' and 'chronic mycoplasma' here, too. ALL of these bugs are chronic? Isn't that a red flag right there?
'Cross Currents' by Robert O. Becker M.D. - page 72.
"In 1975, Professor Richard Blakemore, also of Woods Hole Marine Biological Laboratory, became intrigued by the strange behavior of some bacteria he was studying.
Blakemore noticed that the bacteria always clustered at the north side of their culture dish. Even if he turned the dish so that they were at the south end and left it overnight, the next morning the bacteria were back at the north side.
While such ``magnetotrophic'' bacteria had been described before, no one had ever done what Blakemore did next: he looked at them under the electron microscope. What he found was astonishing. Each bacterium contained a chain of tiny magnets!
The magnets were actually crystals of the naturally magnetic mineral magnetite, the original lodestone of preliterate peoples. Somehow, the bacteria absorbed the soluble components from the water and put them together in their bodies as the insoluble crystalline chain.
Later studies showed that this arrangement was of value to these bacteria, which lived in the mud on the bottom of shallow bays and marshes.
If they were moved by the tide or by storm waves, their magnetic chains were large enough (in comparison to their body size) to physically turn their bodies so that they pointed down at an angle corresponding to the direction of magnetic north.
All the bacteria had to do was swim in that direction, and sooner or later they would be back in the mud. This was an interesting mechanism, but it did not contain any sophisticated information transfer.
The bacteria did not ``know'' that north was the way to swim; they just did so. However, these observations opened up a much more interesting series of investigations."
'The Body Electric' by Robert O. Becker, M.D. - (pages 276-278)
Subliminal Stress
"After Howard Friedman, Charlie Bachman, and I had found evidence that "abnormal natural" fields from solar magnetic storms were effecting the human mind as reflected in psychiatric hospital admissions, we decided the time had come for direct experiments with people.
We exposed volunteers to magnetic fields placed so the lines of force passed through the brain from ear to ear, cutting across the brainstem-frontal current.
The fields were 5 to 11 gauss, not much compared with the 3,000 gauss needed to put a salamander to sleep, but ten to twenty times earth's background and well above the level of most magnetic storms.
We measured their influence on a standard test of reaction time - having subjects press a button as fast as possible in response to a red light.
Steady fields produced no effect, but when we modulated the field with a slow pulse of a cycle every 5 seconds (one of the delta wave frequencies we'd observed in salamander brains during a change from one level of consciousness to another), people's reactions slowed down.
We found no changes in the EEG or the front-to-back voltage from fields up to 100 gauss, but these indicators reflect major alterations in awareness, so we didn't expect them to shift.
We were excited, eagerly planning experiments that would tell us more, when we came upon a frightening Russian report. Yuri Kholodov had administered steady magnetic fields of 100 and 200 gauss to rabbits and found areas of cell death in their brains during autopsy.
Although his fields were ten times as strong as ours, we stopped all human experiments immediately.
Friedman decided to duplicate Kholodov's experiment with a more detailed analysis of the brain tissue. He made the slides and sent them to an expert on rabbit brain diseases, but coded them so no one knew which were which until later.
The report showed that all the animals had been infected with a brain parasite that was peculiar to rabbits and common throughout the world. However, in half the animals the protozoa had been under control by the immune system, whereas the other half they'd routed the defenders and destroyed parts of their brain.
The expert suggested that we must have done something to undermine resistance of the rabbits in the experimental group. The code confirmed that most of the brain damage had occurred in animals subjected to the magnetic fields.
Later, Friedman did biochemical tests on another series of rabbits and found that the fields were causing a generalized stress reactions marked by large amounts of cortisone in the bloodstream.
This is the response called forth by a prolonged stress, like a disease, that isn't an immediate threat to life, as opposed to the fight-or-flight response generated by adrenaline.
Soon thereafter, Friedman measured cortisone levels in monkeys exposed to 200-gauss magnetic fields for four hours a day. They showed the stress response for six days, but it then subsided, suggesting adaptation to the field.
Such seeming tolerance of continued stress is illusory, however. In his pioneering lifework on stress, Dr. Hans Selye has clearly drawn the invariable pattern: Initially, the stress activates the hormonal and/or immune systems to a higher-than-normal level, enabling the animal to escape danger or combat disease.
If the stress continues, hormone levels and immune activity gradually decline to normal. If you stop your experiment at this point, you're apparently justified in saying, "The animal has adapted; the stress is doing it no harm." Nevertheless, if the stressful condition persists, hormone and immune levels decline further, well below normal.
In medical terms, stress decompensation has set in, and the animal is now more susceptible to other stressors, including malignant growth and infectious disease.
In the mid-1970's, two Russian groups found stress hormones released in rats exposed to microwaves, even if they were irradiated only briefly by minute amounts of energy. Other Eastern European work found the same reaction to 50-hertz electric fields.
Several Russian and Polish groups have since established that after prolonged exposure the activation of the stress system changes to a depression of it in the familiar pattern, indicating exhaustion of the adrenal cortex.
There has even been one report of hemorrhage and cell damage in the adrenal cortex from a month's exposure to a 50-hertz, 130-gauss magnetic field.
Soviet biophysicist N. A. Udintsev has systematically studied the effects of one ELF magnetic field (200 gauss at 50hz) on the endocrine system.
In addition to the "slow" stress response we've been discussing, he found activation of the "fast" fight-or-flight hormones centering on adrenaline from the adrenal medulla.
This response was triggered in rats by just one day in Udinstev's field, and hormone levels didn't return to normal for one or two weeks. Udinstev also documented an insulin insufficiency and rise in blood sugar from the same field.
One aspect of the syndrome was very puzzling. When undergoing these hormonal changes, an animal would normally be aware that its body was under attack, yet, as far as we could tell, the rabbits were not.
They showed no outward signs of fear, agitation, or illness. Most humans certainly wouldn't be able to detect a 100-gauss magnetic field, at least not consciously. Only several years after Friedman's work did anyone find out how this was happening.
In 1976 a group under J. J. Noval at the Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory at Pensacola, Florida, found the slow stress response in rats from very weak electric fields, as low as five thousandths of a volt per centimeter.
They discovered that when such fields vibrated in the ELF range, they increased levels of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine in the brainstem, apparently in a way that activated a distress signal subliminally, without the animal's becoming aware of it.
The scariest part was that the fields Noval used were well within the background levels of a typical office, with its overhead lighting, typewriters, computers, and other equipment.
Workers in such an environment are exposed to electric fields between a hundredth and a tenth of a volt per centimeter and magnetic fields between a hundredth and a tenth of a gauss."
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Also, keep in mind that one of the most weighty studies used to reassure us that cell phones were safe involved gnotobiotic mice - bacteria-, virus-, fungus-free rodents.
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OMG! You have described my laptop issue EXACTLY! I have to always have something between the laptop and my legs or it sets off pain. I relate it to the hot battery and the nerves in my legs. I think it is from the heat it emits. Can you soak in a warm bath? I can't because I get the same pain - anything warm on my legs sets off pain.
Cell phone, before I had LD (or knew I did) I noticed talking on a cell phone gave me anxiety and really weird sensation in my head! I use to wonder what was wrong with me...but I rarely use a cell phone now.
My son w/Ld talks on a cell phone all the time and says it makes him feel "weird".
EMF's - maybe - we don't know everything. In Germany they study EMF's and says they cause cancer. I relate the laptop issue for myself to the heat. The cell phone problem...who knows, I just use mine as little as possible.
Wow, amazing - I thought I was the only one who had increased pain from a laptop on my legs.
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We don't know everything about these frequencies - that's exactly why we should not have released these frequencies into the atmosphere at the levels we did with the advent of wireless technologies. But we know enough...
...are cellular 'signals' to life on earth to proceed with critical life-sustaining processes, whether it involves a signal for the buds on the trees to issue forth in the spring or the leaves to fall from the trees in the fall.
Whether it involves the release of melatonin in my brain throughout the night and enzymes critical for digestion after eating, or the 'desire' to do whatever I was put here on the earth to do - marry, plant a tree, go out on a Saturday night, fight wireless technology until the day I die, etc...
I don't know about the rest of you here, but my cells would like to 'hear' these signals and proceed to regenerate my sawed-down teeth, my butchered uterus and left ovary, my bad eyesight, my brittle hair, and of course, the signals to my white blood cells to combat Lyme.
Most people don't seem to realize that, even if they only use their cell phones once a year, the cell phone industry still must maintain hundreds of thousands of radiation-emitting towers 365/24/7, so that when you DO pick up that phone, the call completes.
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The lyme bug they found a + and a - side to it, it may be a novel electrical switch for the lymes efflux pump. Bottom lyme, the radiowaves may "screw with the bug" since, it appears in research the bug uses electrity just as like our heart does.
The efflux pump in lyme is a single channel pump meaning, if we can shut off that pump, that maybe all it takes to destroy it. Its thought to also be its "butt" so, just locking it closed may actually kill it in time.
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sparkle7
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The frequencies from cell phones, cordless phones & probably laptops (& probably many electronic gadgets) are dangerous.
We don't want to live without them but many of these things have been seriously linked to brain tumors & other cancers.
Do not use cell phones if you can avoid it. Even 1 minute per month has been linked to brain tumors!
I don't know too much about laptops but I can see that it's NOT a good idea to put them on your lap.
This is the "tobacco industry" of the future. Many people are going to have alzheimers & worse from using cell phones.
Do not use earpieces because they can act as antennae to route the electrical or radio frequency charges to your brain.
I don't mean to sound like a luddite but keep in mind that this stuff is dangerous.
Use a regular desk phone with a cord.
I don't know about iPods but it probably isn't good. I love my iPod, too...
Tailz is right. There are many studies in Europe now that prove this stuff is dangerous.
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When my lyme became active ..the first thing that I noticed is getting sick in front of the computer and hated to pick up the phone .
Weak microwave irradiation of aqueous yeast cultures was found to *affect their growth rate in a frequency-selective manner*. Depending on frequency (near 42 GHz), both *increases and decreases of the growth rate were observed*.
The resonance bandwidths are of the order of 0.01 GHz. Simple *thermal effects can be excluded*. These findings support theoretical predictions of coherent *molecular oscillations activating metabolic processes*.
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So basically wireless technology has completely disrupted the balance of flora in our bodies - causing certain microorganisms (even healthy ones) to grow too fast at times, and to grow too slowly at other times. Add in a few unhealthy bugs to the mix like Lyme, and we're doomed.
An overgrowth of candida has little to do with diet. It has everything to do though with diet when the metabolisms of microorganisms and the humans they inhabit are messed up by overexposure to EMF/RF.
So I avoid grains, milk, eggs, iron-rich foods, etc..., but what health problems will plague me down the road from doing this?
Fact is, I need fiber - I need calcium - I need cholesterol, I need iron.
tickled1
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Wow! I'm so overwhelmed w/all this info. Thanks everyone for all the feedback, especially Tailz. You made a huge effort to get all that info across. Maybe at some point I'll have the brain power to read it all.
Seems impossible to avoid all these EMF's today. I think I'll get a regular land line (w/cord!) and limit my time on the laptop and cell. Don't know what else I can realistically do!
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lymeHerx001
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Tailz that what the Toltecs believed. Look it up.
Don Miguel Ruiz is a good one. Turned me on to how the believed that the sun (male +) gave instructions to the earth (female -) for all the life to grow and insects to swarm.... on and on.
quote:Originally posted by tailz: I'm even going to take it one step further.
I truly believe all these x-ray events, radio events, proton and electron fluxes, electromagnetic storms, etc..., coming from the sun...
...are cellular 'signals' to life on earth to proceed with critical life-sustaining processes, whether it involves a signal for the buds on the trees to issue forth in the spring or the leaves to fall from the trees in the fall.
Whether it involves the release of melatonin in my brain throughout the night and enzymes critical for digestion after eating, or the 'desire' to do whatever I was put here on the earth to do - marry, plant a tree, go out on a Saturday night, fight wireless technology until the day I die, etc...
I don't know about the rest of you here, but my cells would like to 'hear' these signals and proceed to regenerate my sawed-down teeth, my butchered uterus and left ovary, my bad eyesight, my brittle hair, and of course, the signals to my white blood cells to combat Lyme.
Most people don't seem to realize that, even if they only use their cell phones once a year, the cell phone industry still must maintain hundreds of thousands of radiation-emitting towers 365/24/7, so that when you DO pick up that phone, the call completes.
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lpkayak
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when i got my new laptop a few years ago i couldn't use it cuz of the pain it gave me.
i researched and found out about out-gassing. one thing i did (recommended) was get a big aloe plant...i hope i am rememering the name of the plant correctly. it is a succulant that if you cut one of its spikes the juice is healing...
anyway...it grew like crazy next to my laptop...it is supposed to absorb what the laptop is giving off.
i don't know how long it took...i don't know if the laptop gave off less or i detoxed enough so it doesn't bother me.
it's probably a combo like chemical sensitivities: i can be allergic to all kinds of stuff...unable to walk down the soap aisle in the grocery store-but after detoxing then i can handle some chemicals...i am less sensitive.
but now i have no trouble with my laptop. or cell phone-altho i wonder what damage i am doing that i can't feel...
my experience is individual---i believe what tailz says and is experiencing is true and common.
the way we respond to the waves may be related to the load on our individual bodies and our own genes and immune system. that might explain why some have more trouble than others.
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