sparkle7
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I've heard about this but I don't know too much about it in regards to Lyme.
Have people tried it?
Do you use it internally or externally?
What's the dosage?
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Cass A
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I have tried it topically for joint pain with some success.
The biggest use of it, in my opinion, is to get herbals deeper into the body, as DMSO is a universal solvent--it goes through everything. If you put it on your toe, for example, you can taste it within a minute!
That is how I am using it at this time--I put my herbal tincture in distilled water with some DMSO (already diluted with distilled water).
Note--DMSO in most stores is sold in plastic bottles. DMSO is a universal solvent, and will, in the opinion of a naturopathic doctor I work with, disolve some of the plastic. He recommends getting the near-pure DMSO in a brown glass bottle with a wax-lined to prevent self-contamination.
Then you have to dilute it yourself in a similar container, using distilled water--to 50% or less concentration.
There's a chemical reaction between DMSO and water that releases heat. Don't use it until it is cooled off! Keep the diluted solution in a brown glass bottle and out of the light.
This level of solution can be used topically (also with herbs that are used topically) or taken with herbal tinctures in distilled water.
If you put DMSO on top of an herbal tincture on the skin, it will push it into the body.
DMSO is not sold for internal use, and any preparation containing it must be labeled "for external use only."
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Cass A
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sparkle7
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That's very interesting! Do you "drink" it with the herbal tinctures?
I'm not sure I would do that just yet since I'm herxing alot from the Cowden herbs right now. I don't want them any stronger.
Does it actually make the herbs stronger or does it just make them more bio-available?
How about in combination with bee venom? I just ordered some bee venom in honey... I wonder how that would be(e)?
I looked at the site for DMSO.bz. He actually adds honey to the DMSO he sells...
The gov't did a study & bee venom kills Lyme spirochetes in vitro. I guess I'll have to give it some thought. I don't want to overdo it.
How does it work to apply the DMSO topically? Can you take herbs or bee venom that way? I don't think I could deal with a bunch of bees stinging me.
Thanks for your info Cass A. I saw your post from a month or 2 ago.
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Cass A
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I tried bee venom as a topical ointment. I definitely got a local inflammation (as predicted--that's how it "works"--the area gets inflammed and the immune system rushes to handle, according to the guy who makes the bee venom ointment). I also got a herx from it in addition. I didn't use it every day--in fact, I just used it occasionally for about a week or two.
I would NEVER use DMSO with bee venom! Too unpredictable, in my opinion. Also, you don't know what ELSE is in the topical product--that would go directly into all your cells!
Bee venom with honey?? Are you planning to eat it??? Check out Gigi's posts regarding bee venom and Venex, which is the topical product I got and used.
You can also read Buhner's article on bee venom on-line. Apparently, there is an injectable form of the active chemical. That was a bit too "out there" for me to try....
Personally, I do use the DMSO with herbal tinctures taken orally. This is not an "approved use." I have some products with DMSO in them that are topical for muscle/joint pain and for ear infections.
MSM is supposedly the active ingredient in DMSO, but it doesn't have the same solvent properties. You can get that as a crystaline powder in bulk pretty cheaply.
Hope I answered all your questions.
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Cass A
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sparkle7
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Yes, I'll eat it - bee venom & Manuka honey from New Zealand (with propolis extract).
I studied the ointment products & decided to try the honey instead.
I know it sounds weird but people use it for arthritis. I also read the Buhner article about bee venom tincture. I could only find homeopathic bee venom, not the tincture.
Do you know how the DMSO works in conjunction with the herbs? How does it make them work better?
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Cass A
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Hmm...on re-reading your post, I didn't answer all the questions, so here we go
ANSWERS IN BOLD TYPE:
Does it actually make the herbs stronger or does it just make them more bio-available? NEITHER, AS I UNDERSTAND IT--IT PUTS THEM INTO THE SOLVENT AND THAT GETS THEM INTO EVERYTHING.
How about in combination with bee venom? I just ordered some bee venom in honey... I wonder how that would be(e)? I HAVE NO IDEA HOW BEE VENOM IN HONEY WOULD WORK. I USED THE TOPICAL OINTMENT.
I looked at the site for DMSO.bz. He actually adds honey to the DMSO he sells... I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS WOULD BE A GOOD THING. IT WOULD JUST PUSH THE SUGAR FROM THE HONEY INTO THE CELLS. DOESN'T SEEM SENSIBLE TO ME.
How does it work to apply the DMSO topically? DMSO'S BENEFITS WERE ORIGINALLY NOTICED IN PEOPLE IN THE LUMBER INDUSTRY WHO WERE EXPOSED TOPICALLY TO DMSO--THEIR ARTHRITIS CLEARED UP, AND THEY HAD MANY OTHER HEALTH BENEFITS. I'M SURE YOU CAN FIND DATA ABOUT THESE CLAIMS ON THE INTERNET.
Can you take herbs or bee venom that way? I don't think I could deal with a bunch of bees stinging me. IF YOU USE HERBAL TINCTURES TOPICALLY WITH DMSO, THE DMSO WILL PUSH THE HERBS THROUGH YOUR SKIN AND THROUGHOUT YOUR WHOLE BODY, WITH CONCENTRATION WHERE YOU APPLIED IT.
I ALSO CERTAINLY CAN'T WORK WITH BEES STINGING ME EITHER!!! THE TOPICAL BEE VENOM CREAM IS A LOW GRADIENT, IN MY OPINION, AND YOU CAN EASILY CUT BACK OR STOP (IN THE CASE OF AN ALLERGIC REACTION). IF YOU GET INJECTIONS, IT'S OUT OF YOUR CONTROL.
SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY, VERY ALLERGIC TO BEE STINGS, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE AN EPI-PEN AND/OR SOMEONE THERE WHEN YOU TRY BEE VENOM, JUST IN CASE.
PERSONALLY, AS STATED IN MY PREVIOUS REPLY, I WOULD NEVER USE DMSO WITH BEE VENOM--TOO UNPREDICTABLE!!!
Hope this helps!
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Cass A
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sparkle7
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Thanks Cass A! I'm just doing the research now. I think there are some books available about DMSO.
If it "pushes" the topical tinctures through the cells it seems like that means it makes them more bio-available - more available to the cells.
I wonder if this would work with the Cowden herbs? Or if it would be a good thing? I herxing from them in just the regular doses.
I don't want to over do it or take too many remedies at one time. I just like to research the options since I'm not taking abx.
All of this healing takes time. I also have to spend some time contemplating the options to see if they will be beneficial. Seems like DMSO is some very interesting stuff that is under recognized.
May be useful to use with coconut oil, too? Or anything that you may want to reach more cells...
I guess it's the money issue... Why promote something that's quite inexpensive & can't be patented? Seems to be useful, though.
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Advised by a well-known doctor who worked with the doctor who "discovered" this, I tried this on a "tennis elbow" and FM years ago.
I could not continue as it cause serious burning and itching on my skin. It gave me an awful taste in my mouth within seconds. I even felt ill from having had it on my skin.
DMSO is a universal solvent, as mentioned above. It's used to clean printing presses. It is a strong solvent, a chemical. Now, I react to many things - I can't even use any lotions on my skin. So others may have different experiences.
There have been some reports of it helping but be cautious. If you want to try it topically, it may be better combined with another substance. Test first with just a small patch of skin.
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I used DMSO to get some topical herbs into an inflamed tendon, and it didn't seem to do ANYTHING that I could tell. I"ve used those herbs before (it was "dit da jow", a Chinese combination for injuries sometimes used by martial arts practitioners) so I knew that they should have helped in my case. It didn't seem like the DMSO did anything. I have used it at other times for similar injuries/local treatment with herbs and I've never noticed any spectacular effect. I've heard lots of warnings aobut ways it could be dangerous, though, and people have repeated those above.
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According to the label, NEVER ingest DMSO, or inject in muscle. However, I have heard of it being used topically or put in the IV bag to serve as a carrier.
Weak rumor has it someone cut open a capsule antibiotic, mixed the powder with DMSO and applied to a Lyme rash with short term favorable results. Know anyone to do that?
I have injected bee venom with some benefit but would NOT suggest using DMSO with bee venom.
I am not a doctor. Consult a Lyme literate physician for real worlds facts.
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sparkle7
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Thanks for the info!
I just like to brainstorm options or ideas.
I don't always, actually do them.
How about MSM - anyone get any good results from this? It's derived from the same thing, I've heard.
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His first antibiotic was IV Rocephin. The PCP (an ACAM) doc trained me to do hubby's IV antibiotics at home. We started with just 250 mg of IV Rocephin daily and worked up to the normal 2 gram dose.
I gave him either activated charcoal or bentonite clay before each dose of antibiotics. I also followed each antibiotic IV with IV push glutathione and a vitamin C IV drip.
Also, after the first month (it took 3 months to do a normal 2 month dose of IV Rocephin) I added DMSO to the IV Rocephin. Made hubby smell like sweet corn. He could taste it as well.
The DMSO I used in the IV's was from a compounding pharmacy -- got a prescription from hubby's PCP. Think the pharmacy was College Pharmacy in Denver, but I could be wrong.
He definitely herxed worse with the DMSO added to the IV's. But even without it I had to stop his IV once or twice just about every day to give him IV Ativan for "seizure-like" episodes.
Have also used topical DMSO for stomach and back pain. Somewhat helpful. Used in combo with topical St John's wort oil.
In my opinion the DMSO can be helpful, but it isn't a cure. Hubby is still fighting Lyme, Bart and Babs after many meds, herbs and other alternative treatments.
Hubby is currently using MSM -- takes 2 or 3 grams of the powder daily in a little water. He thinks the sulphur in it helps him detox.
This is not medical advice, just my opinion based on hubby's experiences.
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