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Do any of you who tried lithium ororate have updates to share on how it worked for you?
I know the subject was raised months ago but not many people had tried it for long enough to report on it.
Anything to share with those of us still undecided? I already have the book & know it is mentioned in there - I am looking for personal stories/experiences.
Thanks!
ESG
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Lithium is needed in such small quantities it is VERY hard to regulate.
Yes...someone (once) here was on it, but did not stay on it (lithium).
This is a common occurrence with manic depressives...they feel better, hence no need for the drug...
It is a very reactive mineral.
To treat manic depression and seizures, the drug Lamictil is given.
It will give you one VERY major herx...headache...because of what it blocks.
Research HOW lamictil works. See Na? See glutamate? Do you know the connections?
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I was wondering if anyone had used it to help get their Lyme damaged brain in gear as it supposedly can increase the number of brain cells as well as protect the nervous tissue in both the brain and the peripheral nerves.
Lithium ororate is a trace mineral found in water and in algae spirulina, and not the same as the prescription lithium.
Apparently there have been reports of it helping Alzheimer and ALS patients.
And that is all I know!
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lithium orotate (the natural form) and the RX form are MILES apart.
i have not taken either, i know some who have taken lithium orotate and were helped.
i think i might try it soon see it if helps sleep, altho im not sure if its supossed to do that or not.
again, the RX form and orotate are NOTHING alike, and there is very little harm in orotate (in the correct dose)
Jocus20 used it for a few months and it helped his brain fog, there are others who may come along.
good luck. ill report back it i use it w success.
i really need to sleep.....
cheers
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Daily doses of lithium, a drug used to treat bipolar disorder, have been found to delay progression of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) in an Italian study of 44 people with the disease.
No other treatment to date has shown such a dramatic effect on this paralyzing and fatal disease of adults, which affects some 30,000 Americans.
Francesco Fornai at the University of Pisa (Italy), with colleagues at the University of Novara (Italy) and the Santa Lucia Foundation in Rome, announced their results online today in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
At the end of a 15-month trial that began in October 2005, about 30 percent of the patients that took riluzole, a drug known to have modest benefit in ALS, had died, while all those receiving riluzole plus lithium had survived. The disease progressed markedly in the riluzole-only group but progressed very slowly in the riluzole-plus-lithium group.
"Although the number of study participants is small, the results are very intriguing," said Dr. Valerie Cwik, MDA medical director and vice president of Research. "MDA has already had conversations with researchers in the United States to follow up on these results with a larger, confirmatory study."
Sixteen trial participants were randomly selected to receive 50 milligrams a day of riluzole plus two daily doses of 150 milligrams of lithium carbonate. (If necessary, doses were adjusted up to 450 milligrams a day during the study to maintain targeted blood levels.)
The remaining 28 participants were randomly assigned to receive riluzole only.
The two groups were carefully matched with respect to the number of patients with bulbar ALS, the most rapidly progressive form, and pulmonary function.
A parallel study in mice with a genetic form of ALS suggested that lithium works by increasing autophagy, a process in which worn-out or abnormal cellular components are destroyed, and boosting the number of mitochondria, the energy-producing units of cells.
Lithium must be taken under a doctor's supervision and with frequent monitoring of blood levels. Early signs of lithium toxicity include diarrhea, vomiting, drowsiness, weakness and lack of coordination. Later signs include giddiness, blurred vision, ringing in the ears and a large output of dilute urine.
There is a clinical trial on now thru the Muscular Dystrophy Association, I think.
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My LLMD believes in supplementing with LO, especially for those who are suffering with neuro-Lyme symptoms and the likes.
I can say personally that I had two SPECT scans in the span of 18 months and the only things I added treatment wise were various oral ABX and the LO, and my second SPECT showed "significant improvement in blood flow in some areas".
Take that for what it's worth though, as obviously I am not certain what the cause was. Additionally, I did not feel better in any way.
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Increasing the available serotonin via Prozac may help. Help, not cure.
This has to do with the connection between phosphate and serotonin.
Vascular dementia and AD are very similar.
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I have been taking 120 mg of lithium orotate for over a year, as recommended by my LLMD. I believe it has helped me mentally, I am no longer depressed or have mood swings and severe anger episodes. No side effects for me, either. I get a full battery of blood test on occasion, and my liver, kidneys, etc. are all fine.
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In the July 2008 issue of Dr. William's Alternatives newsletter (website is drdavidwilliams.com), there is an article on lithium. He mentions that there is a differnece between the amount of elemental lithium and the amount of raw ingredients, and warns us to look for the amount of elemental lithium, mentioning as an example the brand Nutrient Carriers in which a tablet of 120 mg lithium actually provides 5 mg of elemental lithium. The iHerb website now mentions this when you look at a bottle of this specific brand. But the bottle itself does not make this distinction, so this is a worry!
Dr. Williams recommends 10 - 20 mg of elemental lithium a day.
Bryan Rosner has a chapter on lithium in his book The Top Ten Lyme Disease Treatments, and again the recommended dose is 10 to 20 mg of "elemental lithium". There is an excellent chapter on how lithium can help as well protect the brain.
But we tend to balk at the word lithium, and I wish others who may have tried it to support, and to protect, their Lyme-damaged brain would share their stories.
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Yes me too.I have used 5 mg of it and when I was herxing my brains out from bart ..I used 10mg and my LLMD recomended it.
But I had starting using it on my own.
Maybe that was the reason that my MRI showed nothing even though I had NEUROLYME late stage and all Coinfections.
...I take the pill right before I take high dosages of killers.
I am so sensitive to meds and supplements, yet I am intrigued that lithium can help rebuild brain cells, help with cognitive issues & memory problems.
I feel ready to try it and have been thinking aobut it for a year now ... yet I still feel hesitant as no one I know with Lyme, or in our local support group, has tried it yet. Which is why I am looking for responses here on LymeNet!
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thank you for the informative sites ... and now I know who Dr. Wright is: I have seen his name mentioned by others.
There is so much information "out there" but I have ancient oh-so-slow dial-up service, so I deeply appreciate all of you who share what you have found!
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u have to take it with food.
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