Topic: Chlamydia Pneumonia: Can anyone enlighten me?
Hoosiers51
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I have heard this can be a big deal, and a source of a lot of fatigue for people.
I do have symptoms indicative of pneumonia, not to mention all the other "Lyme-like" symptoms some people attribute to it!
I did test positive for it through bloodwork, though I believe it was "prior infection." Can't remember.
Since then, I have been on the Doxy and Zithromax protocols (for my Lyme), but have only used Flagyl briefly.
Does anyone have opinions about this pathogen? Any surefire ways to get rid of it if I do indeed have it active? Is it even a big deal?
Thanks!
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Keebler
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I got back very high results for this two months ago - for persistent, chronic. The norm was 16 and my levels were over a thousand for one and a couple hundred for another. They should test the IgA, IgG and IgM.
CHRONIC BACTERIAL AND VIRAL INFECTIONS IN NEURODEGENERATIVE AND NERUOBEHAVORIAL DISEASES - Garth L. Nicolson, PhD
(Department of Molecular Pathology, The Institute for Molecular Medicine, Huntington Beach, CA) LABMEDICINE
Additional research on chronic Cpn can be found at www.cpnhelp.org - research article tab upper right of page.
The author has quite an extensive web site at www.immed.org where work on mycoplasma is also detailed. He also details testing for some other chronic stealth infections such as HHV-6.
My last test showed a really high IgG for cpn. I think (but am not sure) that these tests are accurate.
My doctor states that it is hard to separate the effects of lyme from cpn, since they often occur in the same patients and respond to the same treatments (doxy, minocin and more "natural" stuff). It seemed to me that he believed that whichever was a problem, it was reasonable to treat with antibiotics until die-off ceased, however long that took.
(He's more of a CFS doctor than LLMD.)
Last fall, I was having quite a lot of lung problems. I was having problems breathing and had fluid in my lungs. It felt like a mild version of the "real" pneumonia I had in college. It went on for months.
The thing that worked wonders for this was colloidal silver in a nebulizer. It cleared the problem up immediately, within a couple of hours. I had to keep using it or the problem would come back.
A while after that, I discovered that my house had a toxic mold problem and moved out. I only had to use the colloidal silver a few more times for the lung problem. Then it went away completely.
It could be that some sort of poison mold (penicillium species) was growing in my lungs, though I am suspicious of that since to my knowledge the kinds of mold that grow in people are not what I had in my house.
I think it's that the mold shot holes in my immune system, allowing cpn and other things to grow in my lungs.
Eventually I'll re-test the cpn and see if there's been a fall in that problem.
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timaca
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I was tested for Cpn at Focus Diagnostics Lab in CA. My IgG titer was 1:512, my IgA titer was as high as the lab measured at >=1:256. The ID doctor is treating me based on those titers. I did have a significant herx from the doxy he put me on.
You cannot tell the difference between lyme, viral and Cpn illness by symptoms. The symptoms are the same.
Best, Timaca
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Keebler
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Of note: Chlamydia pneumonia can affect the lungs, but it is far beyond what we've thought about "pneumonia" - it can be a full body systemic infection, too. It can get into the brain, just as Bb. The heart, too, may be affected.
Yes, it's very much like Bb in many ways and so is the treatment.
NAC is one of the most important supplement in the treatment of Cpn. Strict attention to prevent porphryia reactions, too, in helping to minimize herx.
More through links above about that: www.cpnhelp.org - be sure to go to the menu bar along the top for research links.
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My tests were done through Oregon Medical Laboratories in Springfield, OR - but performed at Specialty Laboratories, Inc. in Valencia, CA. (4-08). Cpn: IgG; IgA; IgM. - HHV-6, too.
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