sparkle7
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Can you please post any results from using garlic.
Is freeze dried, garlic extract, bear garlic, plain garlic better or some other kind the best?
It's OK to post brand names unless you are selling it - overtly - or have some kind of vested interest.
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Well I have a very hard time on garlic. BUT if I could actually handle it I would use Allimax. They have done studies with their brand against Bb and co-infections. Links about their studies included here: http://tinyurl.com/66cwhp
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I tried AlliMax. It didn't seem to do much for me & it's expensive.
I think their studies are bogus. Just my opinion...
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I really like freeze-dried garlic. It is supposed to retain its potency. Seems to help and keep the yeast at bay.
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The following reposted as text from GiGi's experiences:
I posted this about a year ago and I think it is worthwhile reading to get the finer points about garlic consumption..... I took tons of the freeze dried and I think that took care of many an undesirable bug in my body. I am still well years after garlic (and of course a few other tasty remedies). It is a mighty helper.
Topic: A little bit about Garlic ........ GiGi Frequent Contributor Posts: 1860 From: Washington State Registered: Oct 2000 posted 29 June 2003 17:33 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At a recent 3-day seminar on ART I, at the end my doctor hung on a little talk about various remedies he uses most frequently such as garlic, cilantro, chlorella, etc. Here is what he said about garlic. It came with some nice overhead statistics and research, which I cannot give you here because I can't show you the video of the seminar. Here it goes - in rough:
"A little bit about Garlic....
The issue came up - many of you have heard me speak on garlic. First of all, here is the study on garlic --- on h. pylori - it is extremely effective to give freeze-dried garlic, or in this case garlic oil for h. pylori, which is one of the major infections that we are dealing with these days.
Here is a German study - a comparison between Bear Garlic and garlic. Bear garlic is wild garlic, which is the plant that grows in Central Europe and is absolutely great. That's what the old Germanic tribes used to do - they attacked Rome and brought the Roman Empire down in April, of whatever year that was, because in March, when the bear garlic comes out and they cut and are eating the leaves of the bear garlic and they are getting so much energy from it, they don't know what to do with it. Their hormone levels go up, all their infections go away, and .... (laughingly) the Germanic Tribes they were doing this thing every March, beginning of April they would eat bear garlic and cleared out all the parasites, all the infections, and then went and conquered Rome and did all these other things..... All of it is long forgotten, but it has an effect on you and one of the reasons I always go in April to Germany is - my friend overthere grows a hugh plantation of bear garlic among the trees in the woods and makes me this bear garlic pesto. I do four weeks of bear garlic pesto and can tell you that it is for me incredible.....
A little bit about Allicin. Garlic is associated with this compound Allicin, which has been shown to be the most potent natural antibiotic. (showing an exhibit of MIT) It is extremely effective for Staph aureus, and some of the physicians among you know that there is no antibiotic left that's effective. Well, there is plenty of research that shows that freeze-dried garlic is absolutely 100% effective for it, and it puzzles me that science ignores that. This is from peer-reviewed journals, not small stuff. Candida - may be important for you - that freeze-dried garlic is an absolute for treating Candida.
Let me talk about Allicin. Garlic contains Alliin, which is the chemical precursor to Allicin, and they get converted to Allicin through an enzyme called Alliinase. That happens when you chew garlic; when you break up the cell membrane of the plant cells, the enzyme that is in the cell wall gets released and combines with alliin and then allicin is created within 20 seconds.
Allicin has a half life of 10 days. Any of the garlic products that you buy - garlic oil, kyotic garlic, etc. - there is no allicin left in it. So any prior experience you have had with any garlic products, other than fresh garlic, forget that. Erase that out of your mind ``tried garlic once and it didn't work'' - put that on the side. The only garlic products that have their full allicin-releasing potential left is fresh garlic and freeze-dried garlic.
When you swallow garlic, when you chew it for a few seconds and wait for 20 seconds before the conversion after you chew it, and it hits the stomach acid, the enzyme is immediately neutralized and the conversion doesn't happen. So if you take raw garlic and eat it, it doesn't happen either.
If you eat it on a full stomach (on a full stomach the Ph comes up from 1.5 to 4.5); you can eat it at the end of a meal and the conversion happens. You chew the garlic, the enzyme is activated, you swallow it, it doesn't get killed by the stomach acid, and you get the full allicin release from it.
Chewing garlic has the disadvantage has that you smell like........... (laughter)
When you eat garlic, you smell. When you take freeze-dried garlic in capsules, there is no body odor. There is a mild body odor that you can detect if you go close to the skin of the person who is taking it.
Garlic is also very effective for treatment of amoebas and giardia, most species of worms; in Lyme Disease - Dr. Zhang in New York published papers on the effectiveness that allicin also penetrates the blood-brain barrier and goes to the CSF and can clean up things there.
It is really a fantastic agent for our time. The way to take it is 2-3 capsules at the end of each meal - needs to be taken at least three times a day, better four times a day, just like penicillin. Remember, penicillin you have to take every six hours, you have to take it four times a day to make it work, and the same with freeze-dried garlic.
It is great for general health.
Question: Do you chew up these capsules?
Answer: Freeze-dried garlic - you swallow it at the end of a meal when the Ph has come up; then the juices in the gut mix with the garlic, put it in solution, activate the conversion and you get the whole shebang (sp?) of the allicin release.
I want you to try to remember that any time that any prior experience, when people talk about garlic ``yeh, tried it and worked a little bit'' or so, they didn't do it right, I promise you. If you follow these rules, it becomes the most powerful medicine that we have.
It is also for ......... clostridium, there is a study there - some of the modern infections that we have no solutions for in medicine, try garlic.
Question: either the fresh or the freeze-dried - you want to take following the meal?
Answer: Yes, there is no point - if you cook garlic, you destroy the enzyme. Also if you put it on your salad - most people eat their salad before the meal, forget it - it doesn't work.
Question: You want it to be activated after it hits your stomach?
Answer: yes. If you can't take the capsule, put it in water, stir it, wait 20 seconds until the conversion happens, then drink it. Then it won't be destroyed by the stomach acid.
The best solution for topical problems - use garlic tincture on the skin, by far the best garlic tincture is from Morin Labs. (describes the technical aspects of manufacture). Even though the garlic is broken up in small particles where there are still some cells intact, the moment you put it on the skin, from the drying-effect the cells rupture, the allicin is released and it is a great antimicrobial. So for fungal infections (feet and everywhere) use garlic tincture - major for staph infections on the skin (freeze dried garlic inside - tincture outside).
Tincture is also great to use orally. Great for gum disease. Do it at night - slush it around in your mouth, go to bed, don't swallow it - just sort of leave it there, and it kills all the microorganisms. If you have a partner, if you both do it (there is this habituation to the garlic taste and smell), if your partner also does it, in the morning either one of you can smell each other and will not be offended by it.
It is a powerful tool of the past and of the future."
It's a must for Lyme, viral infections (fish oil too for virals). From my experience.
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This I found was interesting as well. Finding out that taking garlic after the meal when stomach PH is high makes enormous sense to me now. I doubt I was getting benefit from any garlic I was taking.
The Klinghardt Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol
quote: Garlic (allium sativum) and wild garlic (allium ursinum) Garlic has been shown to protect the white and red blood cells from oxidative damage, caused by metals in the blood stream - on their way out - and also has ist own valid detoxification functions. Garlic contains numerous sulphur components, including the most valuable sulph-hydryl groups which oxidize mercury, cadmium and lead and make these metals water soluble. This makes it easy for the organism to excrete these subastances. Garlic also contains alliin whis is enzymatically transformed into allicin, natures most potent antimicrobial agent. Metal toxic patients almost always suffer from secondary infections, which are often responsible for part of the symptoms. Garlic also contains the most important mineral which protects from mercury toxicity, bio active selenium. Most selemium products are poorly absorbable and do not reach those body compartments in need for it. Garlic selenium is the most beneficial natural bioavailable source. Garlic is also protectice for against heart disease and cancer. The half life of allicin (after crushing garlic) is less then 14 days. Most commercial garlic products have no allicin releasing potential left. This distinguishes freeze dried garlic from all other products. Bear garlic tincture is excellent for use in detox, but less effective as antimicrobial agent.
Dosage: 1-3 capsules freeze dried garlic after each meal. Start with 1 capsule after the main meal per day, slowly increase to the higher dosage. Initially the patient may experience die-off reactions (from killing pathogenic fungal or bacterial organisms). Use 5-10 drops bear-garlic on food at least 3 times per day.
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Does anybody have any experience with certain brands of freeze dried garlic? Or where to get it?????
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lymie_in_md
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The cheapest way to get freeze dried garlic is to invest in a unit as a support group. A freeze drying unit, I'm guessing is about 1,000 dollars. Researching farms to purchase the best garlic in bulk very little. Making the garlic for a group as a shared item, probably very little overall time.
Doing it yourself through supplements you have no idea about. We'll say you do this for 6 months at 50 dollars a month, or 300 dollars. 10 people in a support group, probably about 125 dollars each. We are all trying to save money.
I'm going to approach my support group with the idea and see how it flys.
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Be sure it's organic or certified to have been grown without farm chemicals.
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I've used all the garlic products and all the brands and I find the Hepapro Allicin to be the best without a doubt. It's actually the precursor to allicin. It is clearly effective. I'm amazed at the difference I see between that and other brands.
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I also think there's value to the simple garlic clove itself.
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Anyone have any experience using garlic oil or extract?
I think I have an allergy to garlic but I'd like to try it again. It has alot of great attributes.
I may try the freeze dried one - that may be less allergy promoting than the straight up raw garlic. I am curious about the extract or oil, though.
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Garlic is great. But it's not the only thug on the block.
If one has an allergy, there are many more to consider: coptis; sarsaparilla, etc . . . Buhner's protocol does not use garlic and Zhang has an alternate protocol that does not (although he does say the allicin is best for neuro support).
Also, if not an allergy but a reaction due to weakness, another substance to balance out the strong, hot, stimulating nature of garlic might be in order. (hint: sadly, this would not be ice cream - but an herb that would be more yin in nature to contain the garlic's yang.)
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I agree with Keebler Hepapro has the best garlic. I've tried The organic one too but I still get the best effect from Hepapro.
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Candida definitely can lead to many of the same symptoms with the same intensity as can other systemic infections.
Of course, a diet very low in simple carbs helps - so does brushing your teeth after each time you eat.
Xylitol containing gums and mints are helpful to the mouth as antibacterial (but be sure to avoid all aspartame/nutrasweet/equal).
Garlic and allicin are effective against various fungi.
However, I would not put it in my mouth (I have a very sensitive mouth). Garlic can burn the tissue. Not a good thing.
Systemically, you might take some enteric coated capsules, but for the mouth, I would suggest a rinse from a place like Herb Pharm or Rain-Tree herbs.
You can google both of those and search their sites.
A tincture that you would mix with water would likely have a berberis-containing herb such as goldenseal or propolis. You can look those up at PubMed, too.
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Could someone clarify how Dr. K. wants people to take freeze dried garlic capsules? He mentions adding them to a solution at the end of a meal. Are you suppose to open them up or just take them with water unopened?
Keebler how do you take your brand of garlic and how many do you take a day?
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Angelica - I've not taken allicin lately, but when I did, I would take it near the end of a meal. Dr. Z had me increase the dose according to weight.
Personally, while I think allicin is fabulous, it is too stimulating for me. It raises tinnitus to unbearable levels. But I know no one else for whom this happens.
I have tried other formulas to try to balance this reaction, but I've found nothing that prevents the tinnitus.
However, a recent CT scan shows a possible hole in a middle ear canal - so it could be that since the inner ear is key at detecting chemicals that, perhaps, the allicin or the lyme toxins are more affected since I have an opening where there should be none.
If you take Hepapro allicin, they will have the guide, according to your weight, how much to take.
Only the allicin is increased - or decreased - by one's weight. The other formulas are still all the same for anyone.
[edited to clarify: on p. 35 of Dr. Z's book he does say that, for children, dosage of all formulas are adjusted according to age and body weight.]
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sparkle7
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Yeast Cleanse by Solaray is very good for candida.
It has freeze dried garlic & other ingredients. It also has grapefruit seed extract.
It made me herx alot.
Maybe it's good to take garlic off & on rather then as a steady thing - especially if you have sensitivities.
I had very bad seasonal type allergies one year when I was eating alot of raw garlic. I never had allergies before that & it was a while before I had Lyme.
I think it was the raw garlic. I was eating Jersey tomatoes with raw garlic & olive oil/balsamic vinegar quite often that year. I thought it was healthy but I got very ill due to allergies.
I had no clue why I was going through that, back then. I think I read somewhere about the garlic allergies later on.
I started eating raw garlic again, recently, & the same thing happened. Freeze dried may be better than raw for some people. Just a guess.
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Bump for more info on freeze dried garlic.
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