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OMG WHAT IS THAT THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????
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dch,here is the schematic :
Figure. 12VDC was provided by a Computer ATX Power Supply; LM317 (from local Radio shack) was used for providing consistent current to prevent potential damage to the LEDs; 78 Infrared Emitter/Sensor Assemblies 0.1mW 1.7V IR LED (mouser part#512-QED522) and resistors (660-CF1/4C1R0J 1ohms 5%) (both from http://www.mouser.com/). The array was designed by LED series/parallel array wizard (http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz). LEDs were sorted and matched following the instruction on the web (http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=9819)
I don't have any plan to mount/box up the pc board yet,just use it directly and it's fine.
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Nessa, I didn't want to scare you. Actually, it's pretty safe and working.
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clever, but aren't devices like this readily available from China?
I have seen some when browsing internet stores, although I'm not sure what wavelength and output power they use (and if that is important). AFAIK, there shouldn't be a problem importing such simple devices with infrared LEDs / lasers to the US?
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Yes, products like this are available, but they all cost at least 10 times the price. I knew I should have pursued a path in engineering !
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Dave, I forgot to add this to my previous post...
Your pix shows 2 power resistors, I assume 1 watt.
Can you tell me the resistance? Also your schematic only shows R2 coming off the regulator. Where is the other power resistor in the circuit?
thanks....dch
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Cool, Dave. Are you going to try it out? I know the ledman, at least by email. "V" is his nickname. He's on the yahoo group Beck 'N Stuff. A very very kind and capable fellow. I like his devices for pain, they have been useful to friends of mine.
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dch, the two resistors are 3Watts with 0.56R resistance in tandem serving the role of R3 in the schematic. I took off them from an old TV board.
sparkle, I have yet to figure out how to integrate a computer frequency generator, which I already have, into this this array. I also think the Nogier frequencies would be helpful.
oxygenbabe, I have been using it for about one week and feel it's working.
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Thx for the demo, Dave! When you say you think it's working, how so? Also, what is the size of your board?
Also, Sparkle, I noticed your byline says you started biophoton therapy in June. Have you noticed anything yet?
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Dave, tell us how you're using it and it's helping you please ! Posts: 2276 | From united states | Registered: Jun 2004
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dch, you are right: it's R2 not R3 and the resistance is 1 ohm 3 watt to the constant 1.25V/1ohms= 1.25A current, shared by 13 strings of LED, each string has 96mA current, theoretically.
By the way, I was told that if I didn't want to burn the LEDs, it's better to sort and match them first as the following from SgtWookie:
"Just to expand on what Audioguru said, LEDs can vary considerably as to their forward voltage (Vf) at a given current - even in the same batch. I recently measured a batch of 80 blue LEDs that came from a reel; presumably from the same batch. At 22mA, there was a difference of 0.35v between the lowest and highest readings!
If you want to be assured of having close to the same brightness all of the time when using LEDs in an automotive system and do so safely, you will have to either: 1) Provide current regulation for EACH string of LEDs, or 2) Match/sort LEDs as to their Vf, limit the current through each string of LEDs using a resistor, and provide a regulated voltage supply across all strings.
Running LEDs at their maximum current rating will shorten their life. Reducing the current by 10% or more will reduce the heat generated and increase life expectancy.
Vf matching procedure: 1) Prepare constant current source: Use or build a constant current source, set to supply the desired current flow. For an LM317, connect a resistor * (R1) between the output and adj terminals, and your constant current will be sourced from the adj terminal. (See table at bottom for R1 values, )
2) Measure/record Vf: Using your constant current source, measure and record the Vf across each LED individually, using a digital multimeter and a spreadsheet table, such as Excel, Works, or OpenOffice's spreadsheet. Number the LEDs sequentially using a label, and record the sequence number with the Vf. In the spreadsheet, use column "A" for the Vf, and column "B" for the sequence number.
3) Sort Vf table: After all of the Vf and numbers are recorded in the spreadsheet, save it and then sort the table ASCENDING (low to high) by the Vf column (make sure you have the sequence number column selected as well, or you won't know what Vf goes to which LED!)
Now that your table of Vf's is sorted, you'll see that the first few are much lower than the average voltage, and the last few are much higher than average. You may wish to set those aside for another project.
Now it's time to match them up. We can do this by sorting sections of the spreadsheet table.
4) Re-sort/match LEDs: Divide the sheet by the number of LEDs you will have in each string. Sort the first section in DESCENDING order by Vf (remember to select the sequence # column too). Let's say you had 80 LEDs, and you entered their Vf's in cells A1 through A80, and the sequence #'s in cells B1 through B80, and you were making strings of 4 LEDs. Select cells A1 through B20, and sort DECENDING by column A. Now to get the sum of the voltage drops: In cell C1, enter the formula: =A1+A21+A41+A61 Then copy that formula to cells C2 through C20. This will show you how well or badly the LEDs matched up. The first 80% or so will be almost exactly the same voltage drop. The last few will differ most significantly from the majority. If the match isn't that good, try sorting cells A21 through B40 DECENDING by column A, and look at the results.
5) Determine available voltage: In automotive electrical systems, the voltage may vary from a low of 11.4 (battery discharged) to a high of 15 (charging a nearly dead battery). You need to look at the lowest expected voltage, and go down from there.
An LM317 drops a minimum of 1.7V across itself. So, 11.4 - 1.7 = 9.7 Volts that you have available. But, regulation won't be too wonderful running that close, so let's take another 0.7V off, rounding it to 9V. If you tie a 220 Ohm resistor from the out to adj terminals, and a combination of resistors measuring 1,364 Ohms from the adj terminal to ground, you'll get very close to 9V out. Here are some resistor values you can use in parallel to be close: 1,360.748 = 1K6 + 9K1 1,362.162 = 1K8 + 5K6 1,363.636 = 1K5 + 15K 1,365.079 = 2K0 + 4K3 1,365.517 = 2K2 + 3K6 1,371.429 = 1K5 + 16K 1,379.310 = 1K6 + 10K 1,384.615 = 1K5 + 18K
(1K6 = 1.6k Ohms, 9K1 = 9.1k Ohms, etc.)
6) Determine limiting resistor: Look at your spreadsheet table in column C to determine the range of total Vf's that you have. Take the minimum Vf, and subtract it from your available voltage (in this case, 9v). Let's say your minimum Vf was 5.74: 9V - Vf = remainder 9 - 5.74 = 3.26 Volts
You've decided you want to "play it safe" and instead of running your LEDs at maximum current, you're opting for a 10% reduction to 27mA. So, you need 27mA with a 3.26V drop. Ohm's Law: R = E / I R = 3.26 / 0.027 R = 120.7 Round it off to the nearest value, and we have 120 Ohms. (it's safer to round up, but we've already rounded down.) If you use 120 Ohm 1% resistors, you will be good to go."
Good luck,
Dave
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Robin123- I'm using the LightWorks by Sota. I have gotten quite a bit of relief from pain from using it.
My boyfriend also uses it & he's noticed a difference (he doesn't have Lyme but he has other pain issues).
I think using infrared & red light is very worthwhile as part of other treatments. I don't know if it's a cure but it sure does help!
I've really been able to cut back on pain meds due to using the LightWorks. I recommend it highly.
I don't think it has to be any device in particular. There are other good ones out there or you can make it yourself if you are inclined.
The LightWorks was relatively inexpensive & has lot of good features.
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thanks again for the info and research Dave.
How long do you keep the array at one spot on your body?... and how far away from your body?
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For the past two weeks, I have been using the array every day intensively, like several hours to over night.
At first, it seemed there were some herx, but nothing alarming, which I ascribed to that I had used a similar IF device for a while and got several big herx.
I have similar experience as Sparkle's,Six's and others: feel my energy was obviously boosted, though I still have pains; and it might be a magic bullet for Lyme.
However, if my energy continuously build up to normal level or higher, I may get rid of the disease one day, not far away.
It's said that LED photos can energize mitochondria, which are the power plants for the cells.
It means that you can charge every cell in your body, as long as it's reachable by LED photos.
These cells may include immune cells that fight the disease, muscle cells that move the body, and neuron cells that receive, process and delivery signals and other information.
As a consequence, you may experience some herx, more energy, less fatigue and less brain fog.
So I use or plan to use the LED array all over my body and as close to the skin (no clothes, sorry)as possible.
Of course, the affected area would receive more time.
Here, I would like to thank GiGi and Sparkle deeply for bringing LED to my attention.
Dave
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Dave6002 thanks for your update.
I have started on my own to use my RED LIGHT WAND that came with my machine.It si 620nm and has increased my herxes also.
I stoped it for 2 days and my herxes lessens.I used it yesterday also and did some frequencies on balancing my body .
Today I woke up with the original pain -herx that I had ..it is almost the same place all the time when I herx.It is telling me somthing.
I know it is working as when I use it I Feel my chills same as my antibiotics .
So I will keep using it.My eyes floaters clear at the end of the session.That usully hapened only when I use HIGH dosages of CLORELLA.
My eyes gets open wide after I USE it.That means is working.Actually I used my machine to kill...now I use it for the balancing my body and in the trigers point .So using it on a diferent way.IT is working!!Today I had to bind the toxins released on my lympatic system.
Do not forget RED ROOT tincture( that stephen Buhner suggest in his book) ....helps on clearing your lympatic system QUICLY ..It works like a charm.
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Thank for the update.
I'm not sure but the effects of the infared may be cumulative. After about 2 weeks of use, I got hit hard with a big herx.
I'm still dealing with it now...
All of this is still very experimental. It helps to know how people are doing with it.
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Dave great information, I noticed the same things you've noticed with the lightworks. Definitely more energy, improved sense of wellness but doesn't get rid of all symptoms. Like you, I try to incorporate into my day as much as I can now.
By the way, how many LEDs are in your array? Are they just 880nm? In the lightworks they create one side of the paddle with 55 880nm and 5 660nm. The 880nm aren't visible but the 660nm are. Curious if you thought to do the same?
There are arrays I've seen with as many as 700 LEDs. The helmet for alzheimers for instance is 700 there is one for a skin condition that uses 700. It would be curious to find out if more is better.
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Bob,
I used 78 LEDs of 880nm in the array. Recently added 20 LEDs of 650nm. Still planning to add frequency feature to it for better penetration?
Sparkle, I understand your situation. Several months ago, I got severe herx when I used an infrared and I had to stop using it for a long time, thinking it did some damage permanently.
So the herx could be long and strong. However, it will eventually subside, and when you use it again, the herx may be much less.
Alv, thx for reminding me of RED ROOT tincture. I haven't found a way to lessen the herx yet and I would try RED ROOT tincture.
Dave
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Yes. I plan to continue. Especially in light of the recent postings about how infrared light affects neurotoxins.
"The current study tested our hypothesis that LED treatment can protect neurons from both rotenone- and MPP(+)-induced neurotoxicity."
This study was in regards to Parkinson's disease, though...
It's kind of hard to try to figure out how & what exactly is going on with the spirochetes... does the light kill them outright? does it boost the immune system to recognize an invader? does the infrared light help to nutralize the toxins released by the spirochetes? are the effects of the light cumulative?
What dosage should we use (frequency, wavelength, amount of time)?
It's all very hard to say... I do think it's very positive, though!
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Sparkle, see the following abstract: the most effective wavelength are 670nm and 830nm and in another paper, they found the most effective frequency daily treatment is twice a day at 670nm, 80s, 4J/cm2. However, these are in vitro data:
Photobiomodulation directly benefits primary neurons functionally inactivated by toxins: Role of cytochrome c oxidase
Wong-Riley et al 2005 M.T.T. Wong-Riley, H.L. Liang, J.T. Eells, B. Chance, M.M. Henry, E. Buchmann, M. Kane and H.T. Whelan,
Abstract
Far red and near infrared (NIR) light promotes wound healing, but the mechanism is poorly understood. Our previous studies using 670 nm light-emitting diode (LED) arrays suggest that cytochrome c oxidase, a photoacceptor in the NIR range, plays an important role in therapeutic photobiomodulation. If this is true, then an irreversible inhibitor of cytochrome c oxidase, potassium cyanide (KCN), should compete with LED and reduce its beneficial effects. This hypothesis was tested on primary cultured neurons. LED treatment partially restored enzyme activity blocked by 10-100 μM KCN. It significantly reduced neuronal cell death induced by 300 μM KCN from 83.6 to 43.5%. However, at 1-100 mM KCN, the protective effects of LED decreased, and neuronal deaths increased. LED significantly restored neuronal ATP content only at 10 μM KCN but not at higher concentrations of KCN tested. Pretreatment with LED enhanced efficacy of LED during exposure to 10 or 100 μM KCN but did not restore enzyme activity to control levels. In contrast, LED was able to completely reverse the detrimental effect of tetrodotoxin, which only indirectly down-regulated enzyme levels. Among the wavelengths tested (670, 728, 770, 830, and 880 nm), the most effective ones (830 nm, 670 nm) paralleled the NIR absorption spectrum of oxidized cytochrome c oxidase, whereas the least effective wavelength, 728 nm, did not. The results are consistent with our hypothesis that the mechanism of photobiomodulation involves the up-regulation of cytochrome c oxidase, leading to increased energy metabolism in neurons functionally inactivated by toxins.
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Dave that's a fascinating abstract you posted.
SOTA is adding other colors to their wand. Not sure what the nanometers are.
I have yet to try my wand, hopefully soon. Thanks for keeping us posted, Dave.
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I have been off abx for 7 days now and no relapse only getting better, since I used the self-made LED array.
This is my biggest victory over the LD, and my heart is overflown with joyfulness, and I would like to share the happiness.
Before I couldn't get off abx for more than two days; seven days off abx, I would become very sick.
Since I fell ill two and a half year ago, this is the first time I feel so optimistic towards my health that I would be completely recovered soon ; I have seen the light at the end of the tunnel.
I feel that the near infrared lights (from 600nm to 1000nm)would play a major role in fighting chronic diseases like Lyme disease.
Dave
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Although it is said NIR LED lights don't have an adverse effects, it might cause severe herx. Therefore, one should proceed with cautions.
Good health to everybody.
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I think they still have to do more studies about all of this. It's an new & evolving field.
Try using the light on the base of your spine & the top of the spine near where the head & neck join. The light can treat the bacteria in the cerebral spinal fluid.
When I first started using the light I really felt what you are talking about, Dave... I actually started to think about making plans for my future.
After 2 weeks I got hit with a big herx & I'm still dealing with it. I don't know if this will happen to you or anyone else, though. Just be aware that it may happen.
I still think it's good... I just need to be patient & try to detox as best as possible. It's still going in the right direction.
Keep posting!
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Sparkle, you pointed an important place to treat with LED lights: the spine.
Lyme is a disease of neurosystem mainly affecting the brain, the spine and the peripheral neurofibers.
For brain, I was afraid if LED NIR lights can penetrate the skull before.
However, you mentioned the LED NIR lights can penetrate bone.
Now also tend to believe that providing your LED NIR lights are strong enough, and such high energy of LEDs are available now.
You may not need a stronger LED array presently, as you are dealing with herx (sorry for your suffering), but later it may be necessary to eradicate Lyme pathogens that hide deeply in the body.
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There is another powerful wave pattern, 1072nm. It is different in that it may directly kill pathogens such as viruses and bacteria. It is very new and studies are just beginning on it. The light helmet used for alzheimers uses it. There are clinical studies showing great potential against cold sores caused by herpes simplex (a virus).
I have a suspicion about the nature of why the helmet is so successful against alzheimers. Based on Dr. Alan MacDonalds work of finding most people with alzheimers have lyme. I'm guessing the 1072nm frequency may actually kill lyme. 1268nm might also be an import light wave frequency more studys still to need to be done.
Below is a link I found I thought was interesting:
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Oi, bob. That website made me feel I have a completely jumbled brain! Who designed that website. It looks like a broken puzzle.
Can you give the URL of pubmed/new study? Thanks.
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Dave that is super cool. Maybe you can start making them for some other lymies and see how they do (for a fee).
I tend to think it is increasing cellular energy and disabling the borrelia toxin (per the study you posted).
We could live okay with borrelia if not for the toxin.
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You weren't kidding about that website O2babe...
It seems to have a wealth of info but it's pretty frenetic...
There was a movie on PBS last night about Alzheimers. I didn't watch the whole thing. I could see there's a link btw. Lyme & Alzheimers, though.
Some of the symptoms of Alzheimers sounded like me. We need to work on this! I hope the infrared light will be helpful, otherwise it doesn't look good for us long term...
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PS - you could start a cottage industry with those light arrays, Dave...
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Thanks, Sparkle and O2babe, for the business idea.
Unfortunately, I have a very stressful work(thank God I still have a job) that doesn't pay much and I don't have time and energy to do other thing except for my health.
If I have both, I may do it free for those who cannot afford it.
dch, go for it if you feel comfortable. That one is very similar to mine which has 78 880nm and 20 650nm LEDs.
I agree with Sparkle on that light is light except for that they may have different strength; stronger light may be needed for penetrating deeply.
At the beginning, you may not need strong lights, as Sparkle's and others experience show that even regular or weaker LED lights can cause severe herx.
Later when you become healthier and stronger, in order to reach deeply into the body parts that have been affected by LD pathogens, you may need a stronger one.
Bob, interesting finding. Alzheimers is a disease that the neurons in the brain are dying with the progress of the disease.
LED lights can energize the neuron cells and can prevent the death probably through mitochodria, which is a very important death/survival regulator.
My hypothesis is that once the cell become stronger with the help of the bio-photos, it may kill the pathogens inside it and/or expel the toxins out of it more efficiently. Finally heal itself.
Dave
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