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I know and I'm ready----Y'all can get on my tail! I do not drink alcohal very often at all. But there are times when I am in so much pain, my muscles are spasming and tight, painful, and I get fruserated.
So every once in a while I'll try a beer. Sometimes it makes me horribly sick after 1/2 that I throw it away! However, other times it takes the pain away and relaxes my muscles and I'll end up drinking 3 or 4!!! Yes, that's a lot for me as I don't drink often. You can imagine after the 4rth, I'm feeling pretty darn good.
The next day; I hate life!!!! I am soooo sick, as if I drank a case of something. I have Neuroborrilous (sorry spelling!). I am very sick all the time, but I haven't been on treatment for a few months. I can't start tx for another 6wks. I should mention that while on tx, NO WAY--makes me sicker than a dog!
I've always heard that people with Lyme can't tolerate any type of alcohal. So although it makes me very sick the next day, why does it sometimes make me feel so much better at the time?????
Just curious
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This was pretty funny to read because I experience the same thing.
The few times I've said oh heck, and had a couple beers I feel great, get a nice little buzz going.
Then about 3-4 hours later I'm down for the count. It doesn't usually continue through the next day, but defninitely the rest of the night.
I think it makes you feel better at the time for the same reason it makes everyone feel "better" when they drink: They get that buzz.
Think of it as the same thing as a hangover for somone who drank too much. Even though you only had a couple, your body's tolerance is so much lower than the "normal" person's.
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Pretty simple answer here. Alcohol dulls the pain. Same thing would happen after I'd play a couple of baseball games in a day in college. That night I'd go out and have some beers and magically my arm and body didn't hurt anymore. The next day, it usually hurt two-fold accompanied with a hangover.
I can also attest to the fact that people with lyme disease traditionally feel worse the day after drinking booze than people who don't have lyme. The hangove ris worse
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Its obviously relaxing you, but, its also bad for you as well.
Likely if you've got the neuro lyme, you probably already have some sort of meningitis, or encephalits thats ocurred. That means your brain is likely alrady damaged to some extent and you're just making it worse.
Alcohol is going to make its way through the brain, and basically disrupt everything. Drinking alcohol with some meds will make you deathly sick as well, so you have to be careful. Everything Ive read has said, do not drink alcohol with lyme.
As for the specifics of why you get sick, its likely because the brain and liver are already in crisis, and drinking just makes it worse.
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i can't drink anymore.
i know a few lymies who could not get treatment and they turned into alcoholics.
it was really hard to watch it happen-but somehow the alcohol helped with the pain...
i think the "bad" feeling after probably has to do with stressing your brain and liver that are already stressed
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Hi, Thanks for all of your replies! I don't crave it, but there are times that the pain and muscle issues become so frusterating after weeks and weeks of it that a beer starts looking pretty good!!!
I know that you're not suppossed to drink if you have Lyme, and I don't that often at all! I just wondering if anyone else experiences refief, temporarly of course. The next day, UUUUHHGGGGGG!! It all comes back with a vingence along with a horrible hang-over!!
Thanks again---Jenny, I got tickeled when I read yours!!!!! I've been there, obviously huh!!!!!
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Guilty.
Only my choice is a nice glass of wine. I swear, one glass and I feel better for about 4 hours. We are talking relief from horrific headache and dizziness....
You would think that the alch. would make me MORE dizzy , but no, not so.
I know that alch. has affect on dopamine, so this is one thing that I have considered. Maybe a leveling out?
I don't have a bad affect from one glass of wine, but two and the next day a horrible "hangover".
My take on this? May be WAY out there, but I think the bugs do not like alch., I think that it may do some killing, releasing toxins, and then the "hangover" feeling.
Alch. does, however, also kill brain cells and I am in no way advocating the use of alch. . That being said, sometimes desperate times (horrible symptoms) call for desperate measures.....I admit I have succumbed to the occasional glass of wine for the blessed 4 hours of relief that i get from it.
Again, not recommending useage, not wanting lectures on this no-no, I am totally aware of the reprocussions of my actions.
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I think it's been explained pretty well here!!
Just remember that it will prevent you from getting well (per Dr B) and that it will create even more YEAST every time you drink it.
I have a friend who is a Lyme patient and he drinks probably 3-4 drinks a day. I say he will NEVER get well. Pretty sad truth.
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Connie, I would get the bad hangovers before meds.
I think that drinking the alcohol makes you make sense of feeling dizzy and tired. Before diagnosis I felt better after a glass of wine because I felt like I should feel this way (searching for words, unable to think totally clearly or walk totally straight, etc.) .... plus the pain was dulled.
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Immediate sense of wellbeing could be from feeding the yeast, so you stop getting die-off symptoms for a short time.
Same as how much better you could feel for fifteen minutes after eating a cookie, then much worse after.
If you are on Diflucan (fluconazole) for yeast or Metronidazole (Flagyl) for cyst busting, they are azoles and both contraindicated with alcohol.
You can get liver toxicity really quick, and get reactions similar to antabuse.
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i wonder if craving beer or wine is just your yeastie-beasties wanting to be fed?
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Actually I know why. Theres a book that explains this in "End Your Addiction Now".
Something about nerotransmitters being "F"ed up and the beer or alcohol rights them temporarlly.
But that would indicate alcoholism it seems.
I think in lyme the beer contains arsenic due to the brew process and that kills lyme, so maybe you killed some keets and next day or 2 later you feel better.
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Alcohol activates the borrelia's ability to fight high temperatures.
It is VERY bad. Your body will occasionally use temperature to fight...and you can't afford what you are doing.
May I suggest a "sleep' concoction of valerian, 5htp, camomille....etc. A local health food store should have something.
Also....get on Magnesium.
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Just kidding! Always wanted to use that icon!
One beer last year turned me into an instant yeast bomb. Do try to stay away from it completely.
The pain should get better as treatment works, and treatment works best with no alcohol.
If I must, I have a vodka once every month or so!
Hope you feel better soon.
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Alchohol has its immediate effects, but if it were meant to be in our system regularly, rest assured, there would be a metabolic mechanism for its production and release. There is not.
When it starts to clear from the blood, thanks to the liver, is when the trouble begins. Said liver must produce the enzyme charged with detoxifying it into an aldehyde which also has to be cleared from the system.
This takes work, and this work is fueled by metabolic energy, and these processes are often impaired in Lyme sufferers, hence the long hangover effect.
This same logic can be applied to other drugs, lets take celexa as a random example; a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. As soon as the level of serotonin in the synaptic cleft starts to go up, mood tends to improve, and the sufferer will be ready to extoll the virtues of such a drug. But the drug is a foreign substance, as far as the liver and kidneys are concerned, and the machinery switches gears to facilitate the drug's removal. Work.
Now add to this the fact that celexa is a salt of the actual drug plus hydrogen bromide; bromide circulates through the system and displaces iodine in the thyroid. The iodinated tyrosine that the thyroid is supposed to produce is now part iodinated, part brominated, and doesn't quite fit in the places that it should. now there is a sluggishness of the effect of the Br-I-ated-Tyrosine.
The individual develops some symptoms of thyroid dysruption, peculiar to their own metabolism, but labwork looking for such dusruption is unrevealing, because the Br-I-ated tyrosine fits just enough in receptors to trick the system into believing that thyroid hormone is present in sufficient quantity.
Hence, the long term effect of a drug taken daily manifests slowly as side effects that will be interpreted by most hurried physicians as normal aging happening abnormally, which they will dismiss as being due to the idiosyncrasies of the patient's genetics.
Oh yeah, beer has carbohydrate and yeast. Not good for Lymies. Try a half a shot of vodka or tequila to see if the same benefit occurs with less of the hangover effect. If this is better, it is a yeast problem, if the same or worse, an alchohol detox problem.
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Maybe it is because alcohol thins the blood, and some people with Lyme have blood that can be "sticky." They say the supplement Wobenzyme will do this too. It is very expensive, but still cheaper than a month's supply of beer.
Maybe it helps in the same way Heparin helps Lymies (thinning the blood?)? I am just speculating.
I have also felt better like you describe from drinking beer, and it is weird.
I think the benefits outweigh the good, and I can't predict when it will help and when it won't.
So, I don't drink.
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When we drink a poison, we will get a rush - it's our body's way of giving us the push needed to tend to matters to make ourselves safe.
Same as with a trauma. We may feel great right after that fall from the ledge, but those shock hormones wear off fast.
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I don't know if that applies to me though, because I would still feel good for like a day or two after. ?????
But then sometimes I would feel worse other times. I think it just depends how bad my Lyme is when I drink. But that was when I was better in general that I would get good effects from it....now my health is a lot worse, and I'm on lots of meds, so I don't do it at all, and if I did I would feel really bad and tired.
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I have to say that it makes me feel better to know that I'm not the only one the slips up now and again! Like all of you, I know it's a huge !!!! I always wanted to use that little face too, LOL.
Seriously, I do realize how bad it is for us with Lyme and don't do it often. But it is strange how, at times it does make me feel so much better, until the next day anyway.
Ya know someone mentioned that it makes thier dizziness go away. ME TOO!!!!! You would think the opposite, huh!??? I do remember though the one time I got to go to Hawaii, I went on a snorkeling cruise----so much fun! Anyway, I started to get real sea-sick and the Captain handed me a bear and insisted that I try it! Of course being so sick, it was the last thing I wanted but IT WORKED!!! Strange, huh?
Since then, I have handed a bear to others while on the boat if they start to get motion sickness and it always works. Same thing if you have an inner-ear inf., it takes away the dizziness.
Now, I'm not reccommending this!!!!! Just kinda strange how it works that way!
Thanks for all the comments and the no-no reminders!
Take care y'all!!!!
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Alcohol is a central nervous system depressant, that could account for some disconnect in sea-sickness, but the stomach can still churn, especially if the lining is irritated.
Just as fast, Ginger capsules (or ginger capsule and Seven-up or ginger ale and a soda cracker) will work far better to deal with motion-sickness and nausea - and will not pickle the liver.
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