disturbedme
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My new LLMD suggest that I be put on cholesterol meds after seeing that my total cholesterol is 325. My LDL is also very high, way over the limit. My HDL also is very high (95 when the range is up to 50something) though, which is good because HDL is the protective cholesterol.
My cholesterol has been high for quite a long time and I'm only 24! Needless to say, this is really annoying to me. I shouldn't have to worry about super high cholesterol at such a young age. I shouldn't have to worry about half the crap I worry about...
Anyway, I thought I've read here that some LLMDs believe cholesterol meds to be bad??? Or at least I think I've read that from people here.
What do you think??? I really don't want to be on cholesterol meds, but if it will help me in the long run, then I'm all for it.
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My first thing that showed up when I got lyme activated was HIGH CHOLESTEROL.That was 7 years ago.This also helps to bind the neurotoxins.
Lately she added CSM also even though my cholesterol is Ok now since I have been in treatment -we still need to take it regurarly for a while to bind the NEUROTOXINS.
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quote:Originally posted by Alv:
My first thing that showed up when I got lyme activated was HIGH CHOLESTEROL.That was 7 years ago.This also helps to bind the neurotoxins.
I have heard that lyme (or any type of infection) can cause high cholesterol, but if that was the cause of my high cholesterol, shouldn't it have gone down or back to regular by now since being on treatment for about one and a half years??? It's actually gone up some. Earlier last year it was around 250, now it's 325.
Also, he did not tell me which med he suggested. I have a phone consult tomorrow and I will bring this up.
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Carol in PA
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Before you start taking statins, read some of these articles:
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No statins. The myositis boards are full of people who were perfectly health until they took statins. Now they are dealing with devastating muscle issues.
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I have heard that lyme (or any type of infection) can cause high cholesterol, but if that was the cause of my high cholesterol, shouldn't it have gone down or back to regular by now since being on treatment for about one and a half years??? It's actually gone up some. Earlier last year it was around 250, now it's 325.
Yes , but in my case I have done even 5 liver flushes and the treatments ( I would not recomend them to you ) but I did cleansing and balancing and diet and many changes and PLUS KILLING !
So is not just killing.Did you take any enzymes to eat up the fibrins in blood also...is not that simple.Once BB comes in , many things get meeses up .
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Statins are VERY dangerous.
The product Alv posted is a very good one. Great company. Top notch consistency and quality.
Balancing the HDL/ LDL Cholesterol Ratio For Cardiovascular Health
- By Nieske Zabriskie, ND
Excerpt:
Conclusion
Balancing cholesterol subsets is an important avenue to modifying overall cardiovascular risk. Increasing HDL and decreasing LDL has been shown to decrease this risk.
Numerous natural strategies have been shown to help optimize this ratio including red yeast rice, guggulipid, beta-sitosterol, gamma-oryzanol, and niacin, among others.
Lipid Oxidation - Optimal Heart Health Requires More Than Simple Cholesterol Reduction
- By Chris D. Meletis, ND
Excerpt:
Conclusion
The oxidation of LDL in the blood and on the artery wall plays a key role in the formation of atherosclerosis.
LDL particles carry cholesterol from the liver to the peripheral cells, including the cells that line the arteries, and this is called the forward cholesterol transport system. Low antioxidant status of the blood and LDL particles, and other sources of oxidative stress, cause oxidative modifications to LDL by free radicals.
Immune system cells, the macrophages, recognize the modified LDL cholesterol particles and engulf them. Eventually, further modifications convert this fused particle into a foam cell.
Foam cell buildup in the arteries and the microcirculatory system cause bulges and streaks in the artery wall that we call atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries.
Supplementation with a key group of antioxidants can help stop LDL oxidation from occurring and are therefore a critical component of any heart health regimen.
CHART:
N-acetyl cysteine -- Increases levels of glutathione, which minimizes the lipid peroxidation of cellular membranes. Bilberry Protects against DNA damage and LDL oxidation.
Turmeric -- Main component curcumin is a potent inhibitor of LDL oxidation.
Green Tea -- Inhibits low-density lipoprotein-induced proliferation of rat vascular smooth muscle cells.
Grape Seed Extract - -Protects LDL against oxidation generated by various compounds.
Lutein -- Reduces atherosclerosis lesion size in rodent models of heart disease and thought to protect against the development of atherosclerosis based on epidemiological studies.
Rosemary -- Protects against a lipid-damaging substance known as peroxynitrite; Often used to stop the oxidation of fats in beef and cooked oils.
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Gotta agree, D.
Many studies show statins not actually protecting folks from heart attacks or strokes, and your protective HDL is actually REALLY good.
Still, this all suggests sluggish thyroid to me, and I am trying to remember if you have that (I think you do).
Red Yeast Rice extract is supposed to lower cholesterol, if your LLMD or naturopath will work with it- safer than statins, but it DOES lower CoQ10 just as they do, and you may need to supplement it, especially if you are also on artemisinin (as per Gigi).
How were your triglycerides? If your HDL is high, I can't imagine they were bad, but still....
Someone suggested krill oil to me as well. There are other things out there besides dangerous statins, but discuss it with your doctor.
If he / she is stubborn and doesn't want to consider what you have to say (yes, you are not a doctor, but YOU are ultimately responsible for YOUR BODY, where the doctor isn't), then find another doctor. There have to be some good ones out there, I hope...
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J - Just had a phone consult with my LLMD and he did say that he'd be putting me on red yeast rice for the high cholesterol. Probably won't start that until October though.
Thanks!
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D: My Mom always had high cholesterol (her WHOLE life). Ironically, when she started taking cholstyramine for detoxing mold and Lyme die-off, her cholesterol went down to the lowest EVER.
It's a two-fer. I say get on Cholestyramine to detox and it will also lower your cholesterol.
quote:Originally posted by disturbedme: [QB] J - Just had a phone consult with my LLMD and he did say that he'd be putting me on red yeast rice for the high cholesterol.
Good!! Are you already taking Omega 3's??
CSM is good IF your stomach can handle it.
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: Good!! Are you already taking Omega 3's??
Oh yes, I've been taking Omega 3's for a good while. I was taking Flax seed oil but my new LLMD wanted me to start taking Fish oil because he said that your body has to convert flax seed oil to the omega 3 (and doesn't have to with fish oil) and when a person is sick, it's hard for them to convert stuff, etc. So now I'm on fish oil. But I've been taking some sort of omega 3 for quite a long time.
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Patients have been urged to keep taking a cholesterol-lowering treatment despite a study linking it to higher cancer risk.
A New England Journal of Medicine study linked inegy, a combination of two drugs, to a 50% rise in cancer cases. However, other experts said the results were likely to be an "anomaly".
There have been 300,000 prescriptions in England and Wales over two years, and patients were told to contact their GP if they had worries.
The drug watchdog, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) approved wider use of the drug, which includes the statin, simvastatin and a newer non-statin drug called ezetimibe, last November for patients with high levels of cholesterol.
However, the small-scale study, carried out by doctors at Ulleval University Hospital in Oslo, also cast doubts on its efficacy.
The scientists compared the number of cancers arising in patients taking the drug with the number which developed in those given a "placebo" or "dummy" pill, over a four year period. There were a total of 105 cancer cases among Inergy patients, compared with 70 in the placebo group.
The cancers in both groups were not just one type, but a wide variety, with the difference most obvious in prostate and skin cancers.
An editorial in the journal suggested that more data was needed to rule out the possibility that the drug was to blame, citing the fact that ezetimibe appeared to affect the absorption of molecules involved in the growth of cancer cells.
Chance finding
However, Professor Terje Pederson, the lead author of the study, said that the study findings could simply be due to random chance.
An analysis by Oxford University, which combined these findings with those from other similar studies, found no overall evidence that the drug caused cancer.
This view was backed by the British Heart Foundation, which said that it was important that patients taking statins continued to do so unless told to stop by their doctor.
Dr Mike Knapton, from the charity, said:"There is no suggestion that statins increase the risk of cancer.
"The data from the big trials are encouraging but the evidence is not yet conclusive, because many of the patients studied have been followed-up for a relatively short period of time so far." However, he added: "Because one study did show a cancer risk, it is crucial that others continue and are monitored closely to definitively confirm or refute any link."
"If you have been prescribed ezetimibe you should continue to take it. If you have concerns about side effects of this or other medication, you should talk to your doctor to weigh up the risks and benefits."
A spokesman for pharmaceutical company Merck Schering-Plough, which makes Inegy, said that it believed the findings were an "anomaly", but it was working to examine the study further.
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