And so on. I have an Italian friend who just told me that cannabis was found helpful in treating a certain disease in apple trees (many trees were dying here and many were saved with some sort of cannabis product?).
Plants are wonderful because they don't serve a single purpose!!
Many countries allow the medical use of marijuana.
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....I wish our 'wonderful' government would quit wasting the taxpayers' dollars trying to 'regulate' a weed that grows wild most everywhere.
Nobody cares except those who want prices kept high.
Charlie... (don't care for weed, and care even less for official supervision of ANY kind)
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When I was underweight, nauseous, and had no appetite .... also had insomnia ..... also a lot of pain .... I did consider it.
However, in the end, I didn't. Probably only because of having impressionable children at home. That was about the only thing stopping me.
I doubt LLMD's are recommending it! They get in enough trouble already!
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I use it for pain, sometimes when I can't sleep and for nausea and it works on all of them. It's better then sleeping pills, safer then Vicodin and great for nausea.
Three drags off a pipe, good for three to four hours.
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Okay....this answers a big mystery for me. I was bitten daily by many ticks, back in the late 70's including some fully engorged ones that my boyfriend pulled off of me.
We lived in a cabin in the woods. We smoked pot every day (60's Hippie days) and I didn't collapse and get deathly ill until I had a severe trauma 5 yrs later.
I could never figure out why I never got sick during those years despite being so severely bitten. I always suspected it did have something to due with the heavy pot smoking. I think this is very credible.
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Yeah, we have Medical Pot laws here but I still have to fill out the papers, I won't have a problem getting the script though.
From what I've heard, they have legal growers here and once you get accepted you get a list of growers you can buy from so you don't have to hang around the local night club and as all the kiddies if they have anything good.
I don't know what it costs from them but I'm pretty sure my healh plan DOES NOT cover it.
It hasn't cured me but it helps a lot with the things I've said already. I just don't know that I want my name in a gov register which is why I didn't go for it yet. But probably soon now.
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From another music man...: ..I guess you know what I'm about to say... But I will say, when I was actually fighting lyme I wouldn't have felt like smoking it. But I've discovered that HEMP PROTEIN is available now, and doesn't have much THC (the stuff the makes you "high"), but does have all the healing antioxidants and omega factors. Smoking IS a little hard on the lungs, and the tars may somewhat depress the immune system. But the hemp protein powder is very good tasting when stirred into yogurt or soy milk. DaveSPosts: 4567 | From ithaca, NY, usa | Registered: Nov 2000
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They make pills from weed called Marinol for people with cancer so they can get hungry (like the munchies, man)... It's all above board. I think they remove the chemical that makes you high.
I don't know what the big deal is. I think it's way less toxic than alot of things we live with today like mercury fillings, black hair dye, Tylenol, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils, etc...
It's just a controlled substance so the gov't can hassle people about it & make money. Like building big prison/industrial/complexes.... as well as, having a source of illegal funds for covert operations - think of the Iran/Contra story.
Sort of like bringing down Mafia types with tax evasion...
You could always go to Amsterdam...
It's really a crime that we can't use hemp for medicine or other useful products. It's hard to imagine why it's contraband. I think it's alot less toxic than alcohol. It doesn't have to be smoked for it's medicinal properties.
I don't care for being high but it really bothers me that something like this is illegal - especially for people who are ill & who would like to use it.
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Haha Steelbone, maybe, LOL.
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Weed reduces NK cells which are already very low in lyme. Before I knew I had lyme but was getting sick I had a just a little and it knocked me out!
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Smoking ANYTHING is damaging to lung tissue.
Brownies, on the other hand . . . (just kidding, okay?)
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Other plant-based options that don't require sucking in smoke:
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People get knocked out from regular abx & no one seems to mind...
There's alot we don't know. I'm not advocating smoking weed but it's best to keep an open mind. Some plants may have very beneficial qualities.
Marijuana has many healing properties that are going to waste because people have the assumption that it's dangerous.
There's a insecticide made from tobacco that may be killing bees... is anyone making a big deal about it? No. If the bees die due to this insecticide, we may have a huge problem.
Why is this OK to kill off the bees & using weed to make drugs that may help people such a big issue? It's just hypocrisy.
Just like the issues with using opiates for pain management... Plants can make products that help people. It's ignorant to ban some for no apparent good reason other than some people's twisted reasoning.
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Sparkle,
I think it's the hot smoke and ashes going into the lungs that make it so hard on tender tissue. It's not so much the idea of the plant or what's in it but the delivery method. Even with a water pipe, it can be very hot and very harsh on throat and lungs.
I have a friend with breast cancer and pot has always worked to calm her pain - for many years. But now she has lung cancer, too.
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The NYT article from the link above speaks to topical use:
"The researchers say they do not know how the cannabinoids work or whether they would be effective, as systemic antibiotics would require much more research and trials.
But the compounds may prove useful sooner as a topical agent against methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, or MRSA, to prevent the microbes from colonizing on the skin."
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keebler, your friend's lung cancer could be breast cancer metastases, rather than an entirely new cancer caused by smoking weed. the lungs is one of the first places it goes, after the bones.
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Yes, that is possible.
However, particulate matter from smoke of any kind and from chemicals being sucked into the lungs is one of the prime contributors to all types of lung disease.
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Yes, I have a friend who smokes pot, not even everyday....just to sleep sometimes, and her doctor asked after seeing her X-rays if she smoked cigarettes, and she was like, no, why? He was like, "I can see all this on your lungs."
Also, don't a LOT of things have antibiotic properties???
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That's strange on the X-Ray, I've been a cigg smoker for a long time now, over 30 years and I had an X-Ray done about a year ago and my Doc said my lungs were perfectly clear. He asked me if I smoked ciggs and I said yes and he told me it was weird that I showed no signs and had the X-Ray done again with the same results. I had asked for the X-Ray cause of chest pain that I later found out was Lyme related, I guess it's all in your genetic code as to what happens and when. Quite a mystery.
I'm not condoning ANY KIND OF SMOKING, I believe it should be a personal choice.
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You don't have to smoke the thing if you're afraid of lung cancer, but you can eat it!
I wonder how it makes the immune system weakened if it fights so many infectious diseases.
Any proof on that?
I'm not a consumer, but who knows one day?
Thanks, Selma
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OK guys I am going to tell you why I posted the link about herb-
I smoked weed the whole time I was sick -
But sometimes I would run out for a week or so and I noticed that my illness would get worse-
this happened many times
It was not a huge difference but enough for me to notice that when I smoked herb I felt better and seemed to make more progress-
I thought about posting about the effect that weed had on my illness - but I was not sure it was the weed causing this effect -
I had no idea at the time about the ABX effect of burning a Doobie -
I first learned about it 2 days ago when I read the article that I posted here --
I smoked herb to help with nausea - pain - and to help me to not get depressed and do myself in -
Eating herb is most likely the best way to do this - Double Fudge Brownies - MMMMM-
Please dont write me about you having the munchies-- Jay--
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I think you can get lung cancer even if you don't smoke... there's so much junk in the air. I lived near NYC during the 9/11 event - about 17 miles west of NYC.
You wouldn't believe the stuff in the air back then. I heard a doctor on the local news tonight saying that exposure to the toxic stuff from 9/11 was like breathing Drano.
Not to mention the chemtrails they are spraying as a regular thing...
Cancer can be caused by a number of issues - not just toxins or smoking. I was discussing about asbestos with someone on this message board & she said her relative used to work with asbestos all the time & he lived to be 80. Some people have exposure to it once & they can get cancer. It's really hard to say what it is that can cause illness.
Getting back to weed... when I was younger, people smoked weed & weren't on Prozac, Ritilin, anti-depressants, etc. & I think they were alot better off.
Illegal drug use has gone down but prescription drug use has gone up. People like being high, expanding their consciousness, or self-medicating, etc. I don't see it as a bad thing if they use weed.
I thought Amsterdam was a really fun & interesting place.
It seems alot less toxic than other choices to eat or smoke alittle weed in moderation. It' would be quite a thing if it turns out to be an antibiotic. I think 2 people here mentioned that their symptoms were less while using pot...
Now look at tobacco - it's not just tobacco in cigarettes... it's loads of toxic chemicals they mix in with the tobacco, as well. How about gasoline... how many additives are we breathing there?
It sort of reminds me of the big issue with plastic bags at the supermarket. Now, everyone is supposed to use re-useable bags... which I don't mind. It's just that they think of something to blame for all the pollution & pinpoint plastic bags at the supermarket - as if it's our fault that the environment is messed up...
All the vinyl siding industry, the oil industry, & the chemical industries, the mining industry, etc. are OK... it's people using plastic bags at the grocery store who are responsible for global weather change... What a joke. We are all supposed to get bicycles & ride the bus (as if there were descent mass transit in most places in the US).
Sorry to get off on a tangent here...
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It has been difficult, especially in this country, to get unbiased information on marijuana. However, more and more research is being done to show that aside from the effects of smoking it (ie, inhaling any partially combusted material), it has a wealth of positive values and minimal negatives.
As a personal anecdote, many years (10?) ago my uncle was diagnosed with metastasized kidney cancer (mets to the lung) and given a terminal diagnosis within a year. He is still alive today, and the cancer has shrunken to the point it is pretty much dormant. This is a man who never has eaten healthy in his entire life and has pretty much done everything wrong from the start - hell, he even stopped chemo and radiation halfway through. Though he takes heavy, heavy narcotics to quell the pain of a hip replacement, he also smokes a ton of high grade pot. Ever since the 60s he's been an occasional smoker, but once he got his diagnoses he figured "what the hell!" and began smoking heavily as it made him feel better. Spontaneous remission occurs in less than 1% of his type of cancer, and it usually have a 90% kill rate. So when I see study after study to prove the benefits of medical marijuana, I'm inclined to nod and think of the one man I know who pretty much beat cancer with pot and ice cream sundaes.
That said, It is my personal (semi-medical) opinion that it likely can't hurt most Lyme patients provided the following is true...
1. You acquire it legally (if allowable in your state) and/or grow it yourself or have a trusted friend do so for you. With a chronic condition like Lyme, I've heard it is relatively easy to get on "The List" in states where it is legal. Bring your LLMD's documentation.
2. Do not smoke if at all possible. Invest in a high quality, ceramic element vaporizer. These are specially designed to heat the marijuana hot enough and "imbue" water vapor. There is no incomplete combustion, so all of the negatives of smoking are eliminated. They cost a few hundred, but it is a worthy investment. Alternately, you could consume marijuana or hashish in food products, such as making "pot brownies". However, you'll need a ton more of the product for the same desired effect.
3. Consider the ramifications on your life. Do you have a high-security job that you plan to go back to when you recover from Lyme? If you work in a security clearance job or in the medical profession, I'd strongly suggest avoiding marijuana unless it is legal in the state your practice. This is the reason that I personally cannot undertake it as an option.
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Blackstone, that was teh funniest story I heard about a guy with terminal cancer!
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If your uncle smoked so much pot, it makes you wonder how he got cancer in the first place. And then got rid of it without changing a single thing. hmmmmm
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Amazing to me that a movie made in the 40s had such an impact on our lives today. Soooo many people buy into the scare tactics that were started back then.
'Refer Maddness' is a must see movie. As I see it, more lives are lost to alcohol use than pot anyday.
Look at the number of studies that prove the benefits of marijuana. See something in common as related to Lyme disease?
Studies are being ignored because of some so called reports written by so called "experts" decades ago.
How many of you that smoked the stuff went on to harder durgs? And just take a look at the stats of people moving on to stronger and stronger legal prescription drugs.
Personally, when I smoked pot, I had NO motivation to drive a car or even try any other drugs. I also didn't turn into a 'pothead' and haven't touched to stuff since I was probably 20 or so.
If it became legal I sure would look into using it again for pain releif and stomach issues, much as I use tylenol or any other remedy.
Why let people suffer needlessly? Oh yea, I forgot, ignorance.
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sure smoking anything is harmful to your lungs...but i have yet to find a case of lung cancer linked soley to smoking of the grass. studies in a place where a huge portion of the population smokes pot from child age on, jamaica, show no rates of lung cancer let alone significant lung damage, from ganja smokers (if they smoke tobacco, there are different findings). if you are already slamming your system with artificially-made abx, painkillers, etc...why not try a little of mother nature? it's less dangerous than alcohol, pills, driving, french fries, bacon, etc.. it has been around a lot longer than all our pharmaceuticals and has been used for centuries all over the globe as medicine. even in the usa where the word tuscarora (as in the tribe) means "hemp gatherer." eating it is of course healthier than smoking, but i feel that it is important to not go through life being afraid of everything. we do have to live a little as well, and if pot can aid in our healing and dealing, then i say go for it. if only big pharma/gov't agreed...maybe we all need to move to europe or canada where it is tolerated.
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the water/filter idea up few posts may be something to look into - or "Funny Butter" as one friend with cancer used to get his "hit" - I never got the recipe, though.
Particulate matter that goes into our bodies has many effects, not just on the lungs. It's sometimes not just the burning chemcials, but the fine ash that causes the body all sorts of problems.
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``Particulate pollution is already known to increase heart attack risk.''
Air pollution from traffic hinders the heart's ability to conduct electrical signals, a study has suggested.
Exposure to small particulates - tiny chemicals caused by burning fossil fuels - caused worrying changes on the heart traces of 48 heart patients.
Particulate pollution is already known to increase heart attack risk.
The Circulation study appears to back this up and the heart trace changes seen were characteristic of poor oxygen supply to the heart.
The electrocardiograms of the 48 patients studied, who had recently been hospitalised for heart attack, unstable angina or worsening symptoms of coronary heart disease, showed unusual changes called ST-segment depression.
Patients recovering from heart attacks had the greatest changes in pollution-related ST-segment depression over the course of the 10-month study, the Harvard University researchers found.
The American Heart Association already recommend that some heart patients, particularly those who have had a heart attack, delay driving for two to three weeks after leaving the hospital and avoid driving in heavy traffic because of the stress it creates.
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I have recently moved to CO and a friend of mine offered me some "honey-oil" which I accepted. The process condenses the weed into oil which is quite potent.
The first time I smoked it, I felt like I weighed 10 lbs., which was great because much of my pain seemed to float away with the other 140 lbs. I thought it was a miracle, since I've tried many different pain meds that don't seem to work very well over many years.
It also has this strange effect of making me forget all about Lyme and Babesia for hours at a time. When I first started using it, it gave me increased energy and didn't fog up the brain any more than it was already.
The last few days, as I'm starting to feel like crap again, it has had more of a foggy brain, wipe me out effect, which I don't really like, but it's still helping decrease the pain level.
For years, due to this illness, I have thought I looked and acted like a stoned person without even using weed.....
Not good for my lungs, I'm sure....but, I hate living life in constant pain. Just sharing my personal experience.
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honey oil is so strong that it often wipes out people that don't have lyme/etc... some people eat the honey oil and are very buzzed for a couple days...
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quote:Originally posted by proudmom: Personally, when I smoked pot, I had NO motivation to drive a car
Haha! I met a guy who told me this story about him and a buddy smoking pot then driving home on the freeway. He was being very careful to stay in his lane and drive slowly.
He got pulled over. The officer asked him if he knew how fast he was going and he said, "55."
The cop said, "No, 12. Pull over at the next exit and take a nap!"
I do know someone who smokes it for back pain and insomnia. He has been doing it for years. He's tried to quit a few times and says he can't. Just two or three hits at night, then bed. He says it would take rehab for him to quit at this point. So, keep that in mind in making your decision.
I'm not making a judgment, just passing on info.
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It really seems ridiculous that it's illegal. I bet if they took a vote in the US to legalize it - it would be legal.
It's not that dangerous. It should be available to people who are ill & want to use it.
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I vaporize, not not every day, just occasionally when the herxes get out of control. Have a rec, easy to get here in Cali. As well as having many great properties, you can research the following things I am about to say if you care to follow up or don't believe me.
I too was concerned with the immune depressing thing. This was based of off 2 studies made by the NIDA, and both were found to be to full of errors to be considered. When I asked to doctor who gave me my rec he told me, they know it has some effect on your immune system, but not sure what, the research is pointing to immune modulation properties at the current moment. Think about this why would the people who really do not need a immune suppressant, HIV patients, Chemotherapy patients, benefit from it the most?
The doctor also showed me a study that showed marijuana as a powerful neuroprotectant. Further, certain cannabinoids in the plant have antioxidant properties which is why people who smoke weed and not tobacco have shown to have lower cancer rates. Still I would not support smoking since vaporizing is way safer and more efficient.
On a side note, Marinol, is synthetic THC the main ingredient that gets you "high" in weed. So yes it gets you high. The funny thing about being high is that, there is no scientific way to prove that someone is high. The side effects are really only the characteristics that show if you take marinol you are actually high.
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i've found there's nothing like one hit to give me the best pain relief and a rare great night's sleep - hey, we can't drink anymore!
the only problem i find is it dries out my knees so i make sure i drink a ton of water with it
sixgoofy, i wait until all my kids are down for the night and then i sneak way outside!! I'm the proverbial soccer mom! i would die if they ever knew!
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Sometimes the spiritual/emotional aspect is more powerful than anything. Smoking every once in awhile is very beneficial to me...to take me out of the fear and uncertainty and closer to myself. I find it very comforting when I need it. That's just me!
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quote:Originally posted by toby67: sixgoofy, i wait until all my kids are down for the night and then i sneak way outside!! I'm the proverbial soccer mom! i would die if they ever knew!
ROFLMAO!!!! Won't be long before the neighbor kids tell them!!!!
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Very simple , dont inhale, hold it for at least 30 seconds. Works fantastic on joint pain, fibro, myaglia, not so much on headaches, neuro and pressure head or burning skin. No way can I inhale. Two hits and good all day.
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