Topic: Ambien pulls the bugs out of the cells...then kills them all in 5
jamescase20
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I have been largely attacked for suggesting that ambien could kill bacteria or protoza or whatever it is in us.
But I swear I cant see how I can be wrong.
I again, new test, placed a VERY VERY tiny amount of ambien dust on a slide on one end, then placed a larger portion of dust on the other side...for 2 separate tests. I did a blood check of the same location, right big toe...for a baseline test...found about 10 moving invaders.
Then I placed a drop from the same location of my foot onto the 1st ambien side, and another drop on the 2nd ambien side.
Heres what I witnessed (BTW I did this test before and same thing happened)
1st ambien result...I watched perhaps 100s of lyme hatchlings, looked like maybe barts and round hole like bug...likely babsias. run out of the red blood cells into the plasma. They acted as if running away from something terrible. They where in panic is what it appeared, they even seemed to attempt to actually leave the blood and enter the dry parts of the slide! And so I waited and watched. I then noted that they started to stop moving one by one. And not like suddenly but slowly as if they where slowly dying. I do believe this is what occured. I walked away for only 5 minutes...rechecked..NO bugs moving, not even one, and the blood cells appeared unaffected, in fact..the blood cells no longer had bart like sticks on the outsides of them. WOW WOW WOW.
2nd ambien check. (more ambien in this sample) but I remind you, I do believe this is not far from a normal human dose. I had hardly ANY powder on these slides, I could barely even see it.
SAME as the first slide...I watched 100s if not 1000s of lyme hatchlings, um, likely again malaria looking bugs (babs) stick like bommerange like bugs (bart) and I didnt see any lyme blebs. Result: As if running from a monster they where all trying to actually exit the blood entirely, they where attempting to actually enter the dry part of the slide where nothing existed. And I waited, after about 30 seconds I watched them start to stop moving..slowing down...then stopping cold. As in the first slide the stick like bugs (likely bart) appeared more hardy, and lasted longer, but they to died. I saw a few still wiggling around...so I again left for 5 mins and came back.. saw a field of tiny non moving dots everywhere. And a look at the blood cells...again, appeared unaffected from the drug. Even as in the first slide..the cells no longer has sticks attached to them as what you see in bart infection.
So...you take it however you want...but this cannot be just goofy luck. There is something here
I have checked probly 1000s of my blood drops in the scope over the past months...and tested probly 100s of various agents...and I have never seen such sudden and profound and complete kill ever.
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quote:Originally posted by jamescase20: but this cannot be just goofy luck.
Goofy luck is pretty good though .... I've always had good luck.
Hey, good to see you, people have been wondering where you were!
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the question is, of course, how it works in vivo.
very interesting, tho, james.
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I was just told by my mom that my llmd told my sister that benzopens kill lyme disease.
Not as a sole treatment, but he said it does something good.
I didnt tell him about what I saw in the microscope, but I will next apt.
He has NOT checked this with a scope, but he has long believed that benzos do play a role in killing these invaders. He is under investigation from the state so I am not mentioning his name...they think he over treats lyme as you know that story.
Ambien is known as a "non"-benzopen drug...which is really just a benzopen that has been cleaned up so you cant have convultions from the withdrawls...and to make the FDA happier during drug approval.
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quote:Originally posted by Mo: the question is, of course, how it works in vivo.
Exactly. Two very different things.
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Benzos quiet the symptoms, and Cheney thought they downregulated NMDA, an excitotoxin. Lyme may upregulate glutamate. Who knows.
Certain psychiatric drugs for schizophrenia are known to be antiviral.
I think the drugs may signal bugs, or perhaps the bugs bind to them and stop dividing.
For instance, why does lyme look so much like benzo withdrawal (read the symptoms for benzo withdrawal and they read like a lyme case).
That would mean that lyme upregulates glutamate or binds to benzo receptors blocking our innate gaba from being able to do so.
Who knows. More research needs to be done on the bug and what the HECK it binds to (esp in collagen) and what stimulates its growth and what slows it down.
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I've been on klonopin at a pretty high dose to control myoclonus seizures for 4 years and I am still sick, so I don't think it works in vivo.
Just my opinion. Hiker53
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I wonder if Paxil is antiviral too?
I read that some people have flu like symptoms when they try to wean off it. This happened to my sister's BF who I think has undiagnosed Lyme disease so he decided to just stay on Paxil.
He had a bulls eye rash but his MD refused to test for Lyme disease. He did not even give him a Elisa. He also gets foot pain that sounds really barty to me. But of course his doctor knows best.
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James,
I've been intrigued by all you come up with as far as your testing. Since no one has seemed to find that "magic bullet" yet, you keep searching.
I would love to think that Ambien would be the answer and maybe you could be on the right track. I honestly don't know enough about science to know.
I do know that while I went misdiagnosed for five years, my rheumotologist felt I had myofascial pain and then fibromyalgia and for that, he put me on both Ambien and Klonepin which he had said seemed to help fibro type pain, although not in the way the drug was intended.
Meaning yes, Ambien is for sleep but he wanted me on the lowest dose every night and although once your body get use to it, you aren't sleeping, he still wanted me on it for the pain.
I never really understood, but know they do feel there is something in that med that goes beyond a sleep agent.
Now we need to find a way to remove everything in our body, pour ambien all over it and put it back in. Could be tricky. But seriously, do keep searching. It is bound to be someone like you that stumbles on something eventually....or atleast I need to hope so.
Good luck.
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The thing about ambien is that zero amount should be in the blood stream before getting behind the wheel of a car. ZERO.
AND some people are getting up out of bed, unaware, and driving. It is not a rare happening.
Many, many auto accidents involve drivers with ambien in their bloodstream.
Ambien is not a drug that can be used around the clock. EVER.
And as for what happens on a microscope slide - I think it's great to wonder and study, but what happens in us is very different.
Doctors who have researched the drug Ambien and other sleeping pills make the following recommendations:
* Take the lowest dosage that works. Side effects are more frequent with the 10- and 20-milligram doses than with 5 milligrams.
* Take Ambien on an empty stomach. If you have eaten recently, the drug takes longer to work and you might be more apt to roam around the house.
* Put chimes on your bedroom door and exterior doors. If you start sleepwalking, the noise might wake you up.
* Never take Ambien when you are the sole caretaker of a small child.
* Never take Ambien when you are a doctor on call or have a similar work obligation.
* If you have ever abused a substance before, including alcohol, you probably should not take Ambien. People with histories of addiction are more likely to become dependent on the drug.
* Before taking sleeping pills, try cognitive behavior therapy, a nondrug program that helps you learn how to sleep. Some doctors think it works as well or better than sleeping pills. Among techniques used in the therapy are muscle relaxation and breathing exercises, as well as learning not to go to bed unless you are tired.
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This information was supplied by Dr. Daniel F. Kripke, professor of psychiatry, University of California, San Diego; Dr. Martin B. Scharf, director of the Tri-State Sleep Disorders Center, Cincinnati; and Dr. Mark Mahowald, director of the Minnesota Regional Sleep Disorders Center, Minneapolis.
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excerpt: " He says he has sworn off Ambien. "There has to be a stronger warning," he said, "about what this drug does to you."
Some Sleeping Pill Users Range Far Beyond Bed - By STEPHANIE SAUL
With a tendency to stare zombie-like and run into stationary objects, a new species of impaired motorist is hitting the roads: the Ambien driver.
Ambien, the nation's best-selling prescription sleeping pill, is showing up with regularity as a factor in traffic arrests, sometimes involving drivers who later say they were sleep-driving and have no memory of taking the wheel after taking the drug.
In some state toxicology laboratories Ambien makes the top 10 list of drugs found in impaired drivers. Wisconsin officials identified Ambien in the bloodstreams of 187 arrested drivers from 1999 to 2004.
And as a more people are taking the drug -- 26.5 million prescriptions in this country last year -- there are signs that Ambien-related driving arrests are on the rise.
In Washington State, for example, officials counted 78 impaired-driving arrests in which Ambien was a factor last year, up from 56 in 2004. Ambien's maker, Sanofi-Aventis, says the drug's record after 13 years of use in this country shows it is safe when taken as directed.
But a spokeswoman, Melissa Feltmann, wrote in an e-mail message, "We are aware of reports of people driving while sleepwalking, and those reports have been provided to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as part of our ongoing postmarketing evaluation about the safety of our products."
A spokeswoman for the F.D.A. said the drug's current label warnings, which say it should not be used with alcohol and in some cases could cause sleepwalking or hallucinations, were adequate. "People should be aware of that," said the spokeswoman, Susan Cruzan.
While alcohol and other drugs are sometimes also involved in the Ambien traffic cases, the drivers tend to stand out from other under-the-influence motorists. The behavior can include driving in the wrong direction or slamming into light poles or parked vehicles, as well as seeming oblivious to the arresting officers, according to a presentation last month at a meeting of forensic scientists.
"These cases are just extremely bizarre, with extreme impairment," said Laura J. Liddicoat, the forensic toxicology supervisor at a state-run lab in Wisconsin who made the presentation.
Her presentation, which reported on six of the cases, was made at a meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, where her counterparts from other parts of the country swapped similar tales.
Several of Ms. Liddicoat's cases involved drivers whose blood revealed evidence of Ambien overdoses. In one of them the driver, who was also taking the antidepressant citalopram, crashed into a parked car, was involved in another near collision, then drove over a curb. When confronted by police, he did not recall any of the recent events, according to the presentation.
Ms. Liddicoat did not describe any of those cases as sleep-driving -- in fact, she said she had not heard of that defense -- and it is possible that some drivers' claims of driving while asleep may be mere Ambien alibis.
But some medical researchers say reports of sleep-driving are plausible.
Doctors affiliated with the University of Minnesota Medical Center who have studied Ambien recently reported the cases of two users who told doctors they sleep-drove to the supermarket while under the drug's influence.
Neither of the patients remembered the episode the next day, according to Dr. Carlos Schenck, an expert in sleep disorders who is the lead researcher in the study.
"Luckily, neither of them got hurt," said Dr. Schenck, who added that sleep-driving -- which really occurs in a twilight state between sleep and wakefulness -- was more common than people generally suspect. He said he believed that Ambien was an excellent sleep agent, but that patients need to be better warned about its potential side effects.
The traffic cases around the country include that of Dwayne Cribb, a longtime probation and parole officer in Rock Hill, S.C.
Mr. Cribb says he remembers nothing after taking Ambien before bed last Halloween -- until he awoke in jail to learn he had left his bed and gone for a drive, smashed into a parked van and driven away before crashing into a tree. Mr. Cribb is still facing charges of leaving the scene of an accident.
A registered nurse who lives outside Denver took Ambien before going to sleep one night in January 2003. Sometime later -- she says she remembers none of the episode -- she got into her car wearing only a thin nightshirt in 20-degree weather, had a fender bender, urinated in the middle of an intersection, then became violent with police officers, according to her lawyer.
The woman, whose lawyer says she previously had a pristine traffic record, eventually pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of careless driving after the prosecutors partly accepted her version of events, said the lawyer, Lloyd L. Boyer.
Many states do not currently test for Ambien when making impaired- driving arrests.
But a survey still under way by a committee from the forensic sciences group and the Society of Forensic Toxicologists found that among laboratories that conduct tests of drivers' blood samples for two dozen states, 10 labs list Ambien among the top 10 drugs found in impaired drivers, according to Dr. Sarah Kerrigan, a forensic toxicologist in Houston involved in that survey.
Ms. Liddicoat, in Wisconsin, is among experts who suggest that Ambien may need a stronger warning label. Others arguing that case include doctors, Ambien users and defense lawyers. "Doctors are handing out these drugs like Pez," said William C. Head, an Atlanta lawyer who is one of the nation's leading defense lawyers specializing in impaired-driving cases.
The F.D.A., which would have to order any labeling changes, says it is not aware of any pattern of problems with the drug. Still Ms. Cruzan, in response to a reporter's question, said the agency would look into unusual sleepwalking episodes.
Including the notifications from Sanofi, which as a matter of policy the F.D.A. declined to discuss, the agency did receive 48 "adverse event" reports in 2004 involving Ambien use without other drugs. They involved three cases of sleepwalking, six reports of hallucinations and one traffic accident.
Ambien's competitors -- Lunesta by Sepracor and Sonata by King Pharmaceuticals -- are not as widely used in this country, and do not seem to be cropping up with any frequency on police blotters. Ambien sales last year reached $2.2 billion, according to IMS Health. Among the three drugs, Ambien accounted for 84 percent of prescriptions dispensed.
A federal prosecutor was persuaded that Ambien played a part in a well-publicized case last summer involving not a car but an airliner. A US Airways flight from Charlotte, N.C., to London last July was diverted to Boston, after a passenger who had taken Ambien became "like the Incredible Hulk all of a sudden," according to his lawyer.
The man, Sean Joyce, a British painting contractor, became agitated, tore off his shirt and threatened to kill himself and fellow passengers, according to court documents. If convicted, Mr. Joyce could have faced a maximum sentence of 20 years in jail for interfering with a flight crew, according to his lawyer, Michael C. Andrews.
But under a plea agreement Mr. Joyce was sentenced to five days already served, after the prosecutor accepted his story that his eruption, which he said he could not recall at all, occurred as a result of taking one Ambien pill and drinking two individual-serving bottles of wine.
Many of the impaired-driving cases involve people who drank alcohol before taking Ambien. Mr. Cribb, for instance, said he had two beers with dinner before he took the drug and went to bed.
Sanofi-Aventis says that while sleepwalking may occur while taking Ambien, the drug may not be the cause. It also notes that the warnings with Ambien, including those in its television ads, specifically instruct patients not to use it with alcohol and to take it right before bed.
Alcohol has sometimes been shown to cause sleepwalking, and it can also magnify Ambien's effects, according to Dr. Mark Mahowald, director of the Minnesota Regional Sleep Disorders Center at Hennepin County Medical Center, who is also involved in Dr. Schenck's study.
In the past, the center has received grant funding from Sepracor, Lunesta's maker, but Dr. Mahowald said that none of the researchers currently received any funding from sleeping pill companies.
Ambien's alcohol warning is apparently ignored by many people. But Mr. Head, the defense lawyer, says he has concluded that no one should take Ambien the same evening they have been drinking alcohol. "Not even a toast," he said.
Mr. Head is now defending a man in Decatur, Ga., who, after having three drinks one night, said he took two Ambien and was in bed watching David Letterman's monologue on television. Without realizing it, the man says, he got back out of bed and behind the wheel and was arrested on multiple charges that included driving on the wrong side of the road.
Too many other people taking Ambien also evidently disregard the other label guidelines.
Ann Marie Gordon, manager of Washington State's toxicology lab, said that many of those arrested reported that they took Ambien while driving so it would "kick in" by the time they got home. "Hello -- it kicked in before you got home?" Ms. Gordon said. "That's not a good thing. I'm amazed at the number of people who do that."
But misuse of the drug may not explain all the cases. The nurse near Denver took a single Ambien and went to bed, according to her lawyer, Mr. Boyer of Englewood, Colo.
Mr. Boyer said that only when the woman returned home after her arrest did she discover a partly consumed bottle of wine on her counter -- unopened when she went to bed, she said -- leading her to suspect she had begun drinking after taking Ambien.
Research by Dr. Schenck and others elsewhere have found evidence that Ambien users engaged, unawares, in various middle-of-the-night behaviors. In a study published in 2001, researchers at the Mayo Clinic Sleep Disorders Center reported on five cases of unusual nighttime eating, sometimes while sleepwalking, in patients taking Ambien.
The chief of physical medicine and rehabilitation for the VA North Texas Health System in Dallas, Dr. Weibin Yang, said he became aware of Ambien's potential side effects while at another hospital treating a 55-year-old patient after hip surgery.
The man, who had no history of sleepwalking, walked into a hospital corridor one night, where he urinated on the floor. On another night, he got out of bed and told nurses he was going to church. Dr. Yang said the patient was also taking other medications, but the sleepwalking stopped when Ambien was discontinued. The patient, he said, had no recollection of either event.
Dr. Yang said such experiences persuaded him that people could drive, without realizing it, after taking Ambien.
Meanwhile in South Carolina, Mr. Cribb, who has already pleaded guilty to driving under the influence, still faces a charge of leaving the scene of an accident.
He says he has sworn off Ambien. "There has to be a stronger warning," he said, "about what this drug does to you."
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Ambien: Pharmacology
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Excretion: urine primarily; Half-life: 2.5-2.8h
Class: Anxiolytic/Hypnot, Non-BZD
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Although it's excreted primarily through urine, metabolism is through the liver. There is a hepatic (liver) caution and dosing adjustment. Again, short-term use is how this drug is supposed to be used, and sudden stopping or fast changes in dosing can pose risks.
Those with impaired respiratory function are also cautioned.
Ambien among top 10 drugs found in impaired drivers
Sleep medication found in DUI cases
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Police and toxicology labs across the country say that the sleeping medication Ambien is turning up in the blood of people arrested for DUI.
NBC's Tom Costello reports. - Nightly News
There's a growing hazard on the roadway, the kind of motorist who smashes into parked cars, plows over sidewalks and drives in the wrong direction, all while oblivious to the destruction left behind.
These drivers aren't drunk or stoned -- they're under the influence of Ambien, the nation's most popular prescription sleeping pill.
Ambien is regularly popping up as a factor in traffic arrests, sometimes involving drivers who don't even remember getting behind the wheel, according to a report in The New York Times Wednesday.
In some state toxicology laboratories, Ambien shows up in the top 10 list of drugs found in impaired drivers. In Wisconsin, Ambien was detected in the bloodstreams of 187 arrested drivers from 1999 to 2004, the newspaper reported.
As more insomniacs turn to the drug -- there were 26.5 million prescriptions filled last year in the United States -- Ambien-related arrests and accidents are expected to rise.
In Washington state, for example, officials counted 78 impaired-driving arrests in which Ambien was a factor last year, up from 56 in 2004. Some of Washington's zombie-like drivers said they took the sleeping pill while behind the wheel so that it would kick in by bedtime.
"Wow, that's a really bad idea," said sleep specialist Dr. Brooke Judd, an assistant professor of medicine and psychiatry at Dartmouth Medical School.
"These newer sleep medications have a rapid onset so people can get to sleep quickly. You shouldn't take them until you are really ready to go to bed."
*** Judd also warns sleeping-pill users to get at least eight hours of shut-eye. ***
That's how long the sedative effect can last.
An early-riser who hits the road might still be too groggy to drive, she said.
. . . in some cases could cause sleepwalking or hallucinations . . . .
*** Users are advised not to drive or operate machinery while taking the drug. ***
. . . there are reports of "hangover" effects such as grogginess as well as some risks of abuse and dependence. Some patients have also reported an amnesia effect where they may sleepwalk, or sleeptalk without remembering it.
Laura J. Liddicoat, the forensic toxicology supervisor at Wisconsin's state laboratory, presented six cases of Ambien drivers at a meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Scientists, including a man who crashed into two cars and drove over a curb.
This was all news to him when confronted by the police.
Video: 3/14/07 - "Sleep Driving on Ambien" - about 2 minutes
Dr. Sandra Kweder, FDA
One of the most frequent reports has been of ``Sleep Driving'' Carrie Paps, former Ambien user who did not remember getting up, getting dressed or driving. But she did.
Dr. Michel Cramer-Bornemann, Minnesotat Regional Sleep Center:
``As soon as this gets out of the house and someone is sleep-driving, the public is now in danger.''
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. . . Do not have data on long-term safety on the newer prescription drugs. We don't yet know. . . ."
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ambien is a "non benzopen" class drug.
Its NOTHING new about it.
What they did was strip part of the classic benzopen from the drug moluclue and hence ambein.
Its like simply xanax with part of it removed.
So much for non benzos being new drugs.
Benzos act on GABA 2 ways, "non benzos" act on GABA only 1 way.
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Considering James's remarkable observance and others remarks of this observance having
probably nothing to do with what would happen inside our bods...
Why was this thread all of a sudden inundated and superfluously
(IMHO)
lengthened with all the warnings about AMBIEN?
It's not like anyone is going to go out and buy the stuff and take it with or without abx's to
clobber the little scream'in meemee's!
I see that James isn't necessarily upset with the lengths of warnings about ambien...
but...geez...
well whatever as my granddaughter would say...
so I guess there's no need for my superfluous comments either huh!
Oh well! zman
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"Recently, zolpidem (Ambien) has been cited in various medical reports mainly in the United Kingdom as waking persistent vegetative state (PVS) patients, and dramatically improving the conditions of people with brain injuries."
Is Ambien downregulating the antioxidant effect of melatonin (competitive) which Bb is dependent upon to "happen"?
Bb can NOT grow in gelatin...(high in the amino acid glycine, but ***devoid of tryptophan***)...
We KNOW Bb is reliant on tryptophan. (Kegg genes prove).
I think we all need to look very closely at how Ambien works and then SHARE information!!!
IF Ambien blocks GABA receptors, this would keep the inhibitatory neurotransmitters higher, longer...
And acetylcholine levels may be impacted.
We KNOW Bb needs choline...and the only way it can get lots of it is to rely on US to make it, break it apart, make it...
I've also been looking at the other ones:
Benzodiazepines
Ativan (lorazepam) Halcion (triazolam) Restoril (temazepam) Valium (diazepam) Xanax (alprazolam) Binds to general GABA receptors in the brain.
"It is a short-acting nonbenzodiazepine hypnotic that potentiates gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA), an inhibitory neurotransmitter, by binding to benzodiazepine receptors which are located on the gamma-aminobutyric acid receptors."
"A clinical trial on a single patient performed at the Toulouse University Hospital using PET shows that zolpidem repeatably improves brain function and mobility of a patient immobilized by akinetic mutism caused by
hypoxia."
"Zolpidem has recently been very strongly related to certain instances of patients in a minimally conscious coma state being brought to a fully conscious state.
While it was initially given to these supposed permanent coma patients to put them to sleep, it actually brought them to a fully conscious state in which they were capable of communicating and interacting for the first time in years.
CAT scans have shown that the use of the drug actually does dramatically ***increase the activity in the frontal lobe of the brain*** in some patients in a minimally conscious state.
Large scale studies are currently being done to see if it has the same universal effect on all or most patients in a minimally conscious state.
It may be that zolpidem's ability to stimulate the brain, particularly in the semi-comatose, may be related to one of its side effects, which sometimes causes sleepwalking and other activity while asleep, that appears to observers to be fully conscious activity.
A minimally conscious state (MCS) is a condition distinct from coma or the vegetative state, in which a patient exhibits deliberate, or cognitively mediated, behavior often enough, or consistently enough, for clinicians to be able to distinguish it from entirely unconscious, reflexive responses."
Ambien is a GABA A HELPER (agonist).
"Conversely, TNF alpha causes an endocytosis of GABA A receptors, resulting in ***fewer surface GABA A receptors*** and a decrease in inhibitory synaptic strength. "
Too much activity is going on (glutamate + acetylcholine) and too little inhibition.
Dopamine maybe trying to help out.
We need to stick together to figure this all out.
IF AMBIEN can eliminate Bb/ or Bb's impact to our brain ...this is extremely important!!!
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Hi everyone..I am fairly new so I am not quite understanding this. Why are Lyme and co's so
hard to diagnose if 'lyme hatchings' and 'bart and babs bugs' can be seen on a slide?? Can
someone help me with this. I find the Ambien connection very interesting. I am just confused.
Christina
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I do believe that whats happening in the slide tests dusted with ambien is also happening inside the body, just to a lesser extent probly due to lower concentrations in actual human.
Ambien caused me severe what I now know to be bart like migraines the next morn. Further, I strangly found if I took ambien during the daytime, I would feel LESS fatigue from lyme. Also, upon awakening after a night of say 5 doses of 10mg ambien (I need that much often due to tolerance) I got right on the scope under 2500x phase contrast to look at the blood, sure enough, the blood appeared almost bug free. EVEN if I had been on a combo that I knew couldnt kill that well. I have been doing this for months, its clear benzopens and "non"-benzopens do something that damages lyme or the other bugs or all the bugs somehow.
For kicks..I placed the dirty blood on a slide checked it first saw lots of lyme hatchlings, and blebs...thats all I ever see nowadays...and then I pulled up the coverslip and placed ambein dust on only one corner of the slip and quickly rechecked under the scope..what I saw shocked me...and I mean it. I watched the bugs near the ambein litterally RUNNING and paniced liked toward the non ambien side of the slide. And many didnt make it...they mostly appeared to die within 1 minute. One boomerage looking stick like bug (that should be a bart in plasma) that bug seemed to hate the ambein but didnt die for quite a while...bart seems quite tough.
And then I bounced this off my LLMD, btw, he actually has used my scope personally and supports what I am doing to the extent that he actually believed I knew more about this disease then himself.
Not bragging here, but my point was if your not seeing whats going on inside your blood...you just dont know whats going on at all.
And my LLMD told me that the worse one feels in treatment usually that should mean that treatment is working well. And guess what folks...over the months I found this to be exactly true...the LESS bugs I found moving and alive in my blood samples..The WORST I felt. The MORE bugs I found alive and living in my blood checks, the BETTER I felt.
So its a paradox...though nature to trick you into stopping treatment I would guess.
Only the strong survive nature. Please remember that.
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quote:Originally posted by havefaith377: Hi everyone..I am fairly new so I am not quite understanding this.
Why are Lyme and co's so hard to diagnose if 'lyme hatchings' and 'bart and babs bugs' can be seen on a slide??
Can someone help me with this. I am just confused.
me too
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Because of state laws that prohibit MDs from diagnosis via microscope.
Its not exact science, since your just viewing and not actually doing anti body testing...so its just viewing...but when the bugs are still alive...you can tell easy what it is your seeing.
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