and all the penicillum ones (Notakehl, Fortakehl, Exmykehl, Quentakehl...).
Anyone else interested in sharing experiences?
PM me if you wish, thanks.
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I tested positive using the tensor for period of time then I tested negative for them.
I originally purchased these from my practioner who energetically tested me for them, I was positive for awhile and then negative and I had a lot left after being retested negative. A month went by and I got the tensor I tested positive for PEF again. I had a cavitation done and a lot of mercury probably moved around along with organisms. After about 14 days I tested negative for PEF but positive for ALB (albicans). About 21 days later tested negative for ALB. I continue to test them and still come up negative.
Its been fascinating using these products, to so positively test and then negatively test.
The biggest problem I have now is to back off on calories. It is getting too easy to gain weight (10lbs in the last month). I'm use to eating a ton of food to keep my weight up. Now, I'm trying to figure out how to limit what I eat again. I can eat anything now, so I have to limit calories.
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I now realize that I did use candida, klebsiella, and strep products from Sanum by injection over a year ago, and it helped me quite a bit.
I think I must have needed it longer term. My dentist gave it to me, and it helped heal a dental problem.
I would like to get a Sanum test kit, but am having difficulty locating a website. Bob, do you know how to get a test kit, or are you testing off of paper?
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Bob, is the calorie issue from cravings? Could it have to do with yeast die-off reaction and/or sugar allergy/intollerence? That could account for the swing in reaction to the product as well.
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Hey Bob, I'm just starting using Sanum for a few weeks now. They DEFINITIVELY don't test like herbs do. Herbs come and go, but you usually can see some sort of increase-decrease pattern in testing, until they stop testing and we need to change.
With these Sanum products, I'm having similar experiences to you, but in my case in MUCH shorter intervals. Like Pefrakehl testing for a couple of days, then Albicansan, then one of the Sanukhels in one day, then going further on to Mucokehl...
I start to understand a bit that there's some kind of order to BEGIN the treatment and that diet may play an important part. There's a lot to read in the internet about these protocols, Wertman diet (sp?) and so on.
Mucokhel (mucor racemosus) didn't test in the beginning, I started with treating the GI with Exmykehl, and then continued testing the other products slowly, and my 'protocol' followed what the Sanum people propose, not to 100% but close. We don't start with Muco nor Nig, but with other foundation remedies, exactly like they propose.
Now that I entered the Mucokehl and Nigersan phase, things got wilder and I guess, I'm in no man's land protocol, because I also keep testing one day for Albicansan, another day for a San. Candida, then back to Mucokehl, sometimes Nigersan, and so on.
Mucokehl caused me strong herxes.
If you test for Pef, welcome to a candida that produces biofilms! Cand. parapsilosis seems to be a master in it. I am not herxing too much from it, but do herx.
I hope you will one day test for Muco or Nig. Please let us know how you feel these products because they look interesting.
I'm testing more and more stuff, finding out good cleansers too there.
Usneabasan tincture (from Usnea barbata liquen spelling?) was very strong, just one drop made me herx hell, and I took it in the beginning. Herxes are delayed though, funny. It's certainly a plant to add to a comprehensive lyme fight.
Another interesting herx cleanser proposed by Sanum is Luffa operculata D4 (a common homeopathic remedy). I never thought it could help herxes, but it does help.
And an excellent cleanser (or whatever it does, it changes something from inside) is Zinkokehl. I suppose it's possible to find cheaper versions of it, but I only take 1-3 drops a day before sleep, it truly is a good thing. Zinc supplements didn't test for me, but this homeopathic zinc is something different. It tests almost every day for me.
Another very good product is Mapurit, a mix of Vit E and Magnesium. I was already taking magnesium in other forms and sometimes another brand of Vit E. Since I start on Mapurit, the other stuff stopped testing, so I guess I'll be taking it instead, despite being more costly.
Some Sanum guys do propose this combo Mg + Zinc + vit E long term, I guess they are right. Funny that lyme people also take Mg and Vit E. I'm getting more and more convinced that much of the treatment for candida is similar to borrelia treatment.
While herxing, I do feel MUCH more hungry. Not needing calories in fact, but more like OILS and PROTEINS.
In the begining of my herx journey with lyme and babesia, I thought I craved calories too, but when I offered myself lots of good oils (Ghee, fatter yoghurts from goat or sheep, loads of crushed flaxseed, even lots of eggs, flaxseed oil, fish oil, sometimes sesame seed, black sesame, and all sorts of nuts), my body stopped craving.
In fact, I feel that these neurotoxins made me crave for oils because that's what helped me get rid of toxins.
I don't know if this is your case, but it is a guess.
Any more people on Sanum?
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quote: Its been fascinating using these products, to so positively test and then negatively test.
Isn't it nice that the body tells you exactly what it wants and what it doesn't need or want!
If your body wants 60 drops one day, it doesn't mean it wants sixty drops the next day.
They are not satisfactory for a serious systemic Aspergillus type for my husband. Used it for several months. There are many different fungi and many different molds.
Still tests positive big time - now using Bionic880 instead.
The trick is pinning down the actual needs -- the actual defects, and when to treat what and setting priorities.
Take care.
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I tested negatively for an alive multi-vitamin since I got the tensor. 3 days ago I tested positively for it. No question gg, our bodies are still an amazing instrument of complexity.
I'm curious, for those who are copper toxic, which is also possible because of mercury. See if you test strongly for molybdenum, zinc, or chromium gtf.
I go through periods where I need extra zinc, but need a lot of chromium gtf based on the tensor. I'm wondering if this is a form of metals displacement and the tensor is driving you down this path?
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It's hardly ever wise to supplement single minerals.
It is much better to find a well absorbable multi- mineral. One of the best is goat whey from a good source. That balanced mineral base is also necessary for detoxing heavy metals more easily
You should also make sure that when testing that you are also testing if you might be allergic to a subsance, especially if it is a weird nutrient that should actually not be lacking.
One thing you want to avoid is throwing your minerals out of balance.
Take care.
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Hi Gigi, how about homeopathic zinc oxide and copper?
I was drinking goat whey but lately, goats stopped producing much milk as winter is coming.
I don't test good for the brand I imported from the US (the one you suggested, I got 2 whole big buckets with it, unused).
I test good for the Zinc oxide D3, almmost every night. I suppose there's no zinc in it, or next to nothing... I feel on the clouds with it, so I keep taking it.
Dr. K. is here (or will be soon around) for the seminars. I'm thinking if I do the ART II, but it's next week already!
He'll also be giving an evening lecture on borreliosis treatment, I WILL try to attend it. I wonder what are his ideas on the Bionic, I am sure you spoke to him about it!
I got and appointment with dr. W for March-April. My daughter too. I wonder how many treatments we will both need (mine is dormant again) and if we'll need the IVs...
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I've only been supplementing with chromium for about 6 days. I am being very carefull with what I'm doing. I'm guessing like many of the supplements I'd been taking it is going stop soon when there is a balance. I agree it is unwise to just take one supplement for an extended period of time without stopping. I don't understand why taking chromium is important except excessive copper. It has been working soooo far as I can tell.
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If tensor testing, be sure you know if your regulation is open or blocked. It changes the results just as in ART or other similar testing
And check for allergy especially if you are testing not every day substances. Example: my body wanted phosporus at one time - it turned out I was allergic to it on mental level. I saw too many phosphorus bombs during WWII! hitting our home and the neighbors' homes and my body quit absorbing it. So check for allergy and learn to fix it before you take a substance in massive amounts.
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Brussels, I do not take any solo minerals unless I am very certain. If I feel the need, I take natural products.
I also did not take phosphorus (see above post) even though I still was very ill at that time. The treatment of the emotional allergy with PK solved it almost instantly.
Yes, DK has seen our Bionic and has a standing offer by me to be treated - if he ever stays in one place long enough.
Take care.
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NERVOUS SYSTEM - Depression, anxiety, sudden mood swings, lack of concentration, drowsiness, poor memory, headaches, lightheadedness, insomnia, fatigue.
DIGESTIVE SYSTEM - Abdominal bloating, pain and gas, indigestion, heartburn, constipation, diarrhea, gastritis, mucus in stool.
URINARY/VAGINAL SYSTEM - Recurrent bladder infections, burning or urgent urination, cystitis, vaginal burning or itching, menstrual cramping.
MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM - Muscle and/or joint swelling and pain.
MOUTH AND THROAT - Bleeding gums, dry mouth and tongue, cracked tongue, thrush, white patches.
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Gigi said "if he stays in one place"
That's true.
I just saw the contents of the ART second course, and Sanum products are inside!!
Exciting. If I attend the course, I'll post what he suggests on Sanum here.
And Lymetoo, you forgot other symptoms: skin mycosis, dental pain, white coated tongue, hair mycosis, and a new one for me: ulcers both in the mouth (like aphtous ulcers) and through the skin (mine appeared on the palms and soles). These seemed to be manifestations of mucor racemosus.
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Selma -- Hopefully Sanum is adding things to the old arsenal.
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Hey Bob, I feel this new Sanum arsenal is VERY different from my older herbal and homeopathic remedies...
Somehow this candida business is a totally new thing for me (at least, the way Sanum people see candida and fungal treatment).
It is NOT a matter of adding killers and cleansing like for borrelia, coinfections, and parasites...
We just started a new series of products, the ones called Polysan, that clears antibodies from previous diseases (these antibodies cause symptoms and disease, according to their thinking). We may even inherit these from our ancestors. Like tuberculosis antibodies.
And I did find other 2 fungi to add to my list again... Ustilago zeae e sporibus, I test highly positive. Number 6.
Number 7, Mucor mucedo, also positive (sort of mold-yeast).
I also have been reading about Mycobacterium bovis, in fact, it is from tuberculosis (?).
I feel a bit like when I discovered I had lyme and ALL coinfections my doctor could test: Overwhelmed.
I'm testing positive for so many types of fungi-yeast that I start to be afraid to test further, sort of afraid to get a yes again in another species of Aspergillus or so...
No wonder I had mycosis for so many years. My body was already fighting a probable multi-infection of fungi-yeast much before I caught lyme. When I was bitten, my infection load was too high to fight. I literally collapsed in few weeks.
After being on Mucokehl for a while, I feel my circulation is getting better on my extremities. It is clear. Nothing that jogging helped really.
Accupuncture helped a bit, but cleaning Mucor racemosus is what is giving the best result so far (I am born with cold hands and feet!).
I can barely believe yeast could have made me have cold hands and feet my whole life. (???)
I wonder how dr.K. uses Sanum products. I heard it fast, that he uses it for candida (but not really for lyme) and recommends it for candida and fungi, but the treatment lasts about 9 months...
Anyway, good luck on your energetic tests. I'm glad to hear herbs and products keep changing fast for you and other people from the forum.
That's exactly what happened to me, since more than a year ago. I wrote it here in lymenet, that my body never wanted the same thing on an almost daily basis. Either the amount changed, or the substances kept continuously changing.
What is also crazy, is that the more you give the body what it needs, the more your body changes. You'll see older symptoms coming up, new ones coming up, and you never remain static.
Gotta go to bed, too late here. Selma
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Selma -- thanks for the info. I was prescribed around june and july for pef first, then alb and after my last cavitation prescribed muc in August.
When I got the tensor I tested strong for using new chapters oregano force, monolaurin and freeze dried garlic (3 tabs 3 times a day) at the same time as well as MMS (8 drops 2 times a day). I still test to use monolaurin but not the other three. Occasionally for the freezed dried garlic a tab hear and there.
I thought this combo would do the best job of disolving biofilm and at the same time kill lyme parasites and pathogenic bacteria of all kinds and reduce the stress on my body. After about 4 to 5 weeks the tensor started testing negative for some of these. First the MMS then the oregano, then the freeze dried garlic.
When I stopped the MMS, I still had pef and alb left after I received my tensor. I tested postively with the tensor for pef continued for about 10 days, then ALB about 14 days with overlap of 2 days between the two. I don't test to need either one now only used them when I tested positively. I have the empty bottle of muc. I didn't seem to need it.
When I see my practioner next in a few months I'm going to retest for all sanum products. And one more wrinkle, when I stopped the Freeze dried garlic, I started up on MSM and a collagen complex.
I don't understand too much biochemically what happened, but I'm hardly testing positively for any of these supplements. I feel too good to even want to worry about it. One thought Selma, the monolaurin might catalyze the sanum products to even be more effective.
In summary : I believe I was trying to remove mercury, kill whatever lyme was in my body, when I moved to pef and alb, started to attack the fungi and candida. I've continued to try to remove any mercury left over.
I believe my body is now in the rebuilding stage. The liver, thyroid, thymus specifically and any inflammation left over. I'm using the LED for a lot of this as well.
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I'm sold. The Sanum test kit is my next purchase.
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I think the power of oregano and monolaurin together over time disolves all biofilm. You don't need ABX imo, freeze dried garlic is as effective or more effective then ABX again my opinion.
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Bob, you seem to be going then to be better and better. Congrats! I know what you wrote about. Killers for me never test strong when the load of pathogens go down too.
I'm convinced that killing is the easiest part of a lyme protocol, the most difficult is to find the rest (cleaning, modulators, candida control, change the milieu etc).
Thanks for the tip on oregano + monolaurium. Oregano is too strong for me, so no way to use it ingested. Way to strong, even diluted. It has nothing to do with die off, just that my GI tract is way too sensitive to accept essential oils ingested. I can only take these by the skin.
Same for coconut oil. I'm either allergic or my body just can't take it. I hope only monolaurium would be fine though. Let's see if I can find a supplement to test before I buy to try it.
I stay MUCH longer on cleansers than on killers, a bit like what you are saying. I guess that after the biggest load falls, we need to do lots of other things to our bodies. Homeopathy always helped me there and lighter herbs (not killers) also. Astragalus was one that kept testing, as well as eleuthero, sometiemes stephania, others only cardamon, cinammon, cloves even...
I realize now that even miso soup act as a potent killer for certain types of candida. Parapsilosis seem to be sensitive to it. And Japanese sencha the best cleaner for parapsilosis die off that I found so far. Only chlorella can't clean it all, and cardamon helps bits but not enough.
All other 6 candida-fungi, I'm not testing now(Muc, Asperg niger, Not, Ex, etc). The only one testing is Pef (so parapsilosis), with herxes. But I just purchased Polysan series, the T one for many antigens test very strong.
So I cleaned Mycobacterium tuberc. bovis with Sanukehl, but the antibodies are still a problem, I suppose, and so Polysan T is testing.
Ask your ART practioner to test also the Sanukehls, that deal with L-forms if my memory is good. Albicansan doesn't test, but then Sanukehl cand can test, if you see what I mean.
From these 7 strains I tested positive, me too, only one is still here testing. But I'm wise enough to know that it MAY NOT be the end of the war though, because I've seen pathogens going up and down too many times before.
Specially the combination Nigersan and Mucokehl, I'm sure it has more to do with cleaning and making the milieu better than with the pathogens themselves...
Mucokehl caused aphtous ulcers in my daughter (awful), on me (not in my mouth, but on hands and soles) and is causing something to hubby (indirectly through us). He looks so sick now.
I've been reading more about mucor racemosus or other mucor species, Gosh, I wished I didn't start reading...
Bejoy, wish you good luck in testing. Keep us posted as I'm new in Sanum and would like more feedback from users!
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Selma -- Monolaurin is essentially lauric acid complete digested because it is bacteria that ester into something to bypass the stomach.
From what you wrote I suspect you have gastritis. Get a vial for h-pylori and test for it just to make sure you are not infected. If it isn't h-pylori you need to rebuild your stomach lining. A raw food diet, guessing you already doing, test yourself for mastic gum and DGL. They help to rebuild the epithelial layers within the stomach lining.
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I'm very interested in what you all are talking about but feel I came in at the end of a movie and can't pick up enough of the thread to put it together.
I have believed for years my daughter has mold and candida issues and would like to know more about what you are talking about.
Would you mind posting a bit of a primer on some of the terms you are using and a bit of a background on the products/treatment so I can follow it?
Thanks - D
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Nicoles mom, I guess this is a good initial site on Sanum ideas.
There's a lady from lymenet that is trained by Sanum and take it for many years, I'm learning a lot from her. She's been using it for lyme and coinfections too, but still not in remission.
I find that without energetic tests I would never know where to go on, specially after the initial phase. Somehow, with these Sanum products, I find these energetic tests are a must, more than with herbal protocols.
Bob, I had gastritis in a distant past, so far never tested (blood tests) for Pylori, but who knows? I don't have pains if I eat healthy and lyme treatment somewhat cured my gastritis for good. I could though buy the pylori Sanum to test, it could be interesting to test my husband for it too.
I, in no way, can ingest even frozen garlic in larger amounts (meaning, more than one pill each time, more than 3 a day is death for me!). Two is somehow my limit.
No way to deal with stronger oils ingested. I am really not sure if it's just a matter of weak tummy.
Even for things that never cause tummy aches, I could never really tolerate in great amounts (no lyme herbs in great amounts, even modulators etc). The only thing I took in large amounts were MMS (sulphur), and chlorella.
Andro never did anything bad to my stomach, but I never really tolerated more than 3 a day. I improved with lower amounts, so I wonder if I am not sensitive in general. Homeopathy works wonders with me, but not so well to many other people.
I also can feel treated only by touching or getting close to a bottle of a product (if it is on glass, not plastic). I use many of Sanums only rubbed on the skin.
So, I suppose my whole body is more sensitive than most people. It goes for the good and for the bad. Maybe it's a symptom of something, I hope not a symptom from fungal infections!!!
Gotta go, Selma
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Selma -- it would be a good idea to get the "mastic gum" and DGL they should help a great deal. The monolaurin should be fine for you.
To me it sounds like you have a case of h-pylori. The remedies you are using would be useless against it. H-Pylori has the means to hide in your stomach acid create a urea case around it. It is one of the easiest infections to acquire. It is also the number one cause of ulcers and gastritis. It's symptoms are very similar to lyme.
The treatment is usually two forms of ABX simultaneously and sometimes with bismus to coat the stomach.
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Bob, I'll get a product to test for pylori. However, it just came to my mind that I have been suffering from yeast-fungi for more than a decade. Probably even more, who knows.
There must be some GI implication there, as all mycoses start in the GI (Sanum phrase).
My candida parapsilosis is 'trying' to flare now, but it tests both on my toes and in my GI tract, so I'm treating both again.
I'm doing no strict diet to control it.
Let's see what will happen.
I'll let you know if I test for pylori! thanks for the tip, they look good soothers for the stomach! Have you got pylori?
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Selma -- I believe I had it, the ducks didn't know what I had and I believe they killed it, I was on three different ABX at close to the same time. Based on my stomach pictures the gastritis location was clearly indicative of the infection. So I treated for it anyways, it may have been what triggered lyme and mercury toxicity. When I took the ABX candida and fungi overgrew. It took me about 1 1/2 years to get my digestion back to normal.
Indescriminate use of ABX almost killed me, thx to the ducks and their guess work. Give you something and hopefully get luck and it works.
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Thanks for the great info!
I read about these products when I first found out I had Lyme but it was too complicated for me to do on my own back then.
I'm going to start studying it again when I get settled.
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Sparkle, it seems they work well for candida and fungi, but not sure about borrelia. dr. K. doesnt' recommend for borrelia but recomends them for yeast-candida (that I know).
As I said, someone I know (from Germany) is treating coinfections with Sanum too and said she herxed from it.
I'm still amazed with what it does, specially with blood circulating all over my hands and feet (that are usually frozen). Before lyme, they were already frozen. When lyme went, naturally, they remained frozen!!
I wouldn't ever imagine Mucor racemosus would be responsible for making my blood circulationg so bad. It seems this yeast blocks energy and blood circulation (?).
I'm treating another yeast in my uterus now, I do feel my uterus contracting (?), some strange feeling I can't describe. I guess I'll pay a visit to the gynecologist to see if my fibroids got any improvement after I'm done with it.
Lots of small changes in my body are going on, some kind of salty taste in my mouth (from thyoroid?), sometimes I feel some needle pain in my knees (but it goes), and my feet mycosis is under control without any topic treatment (except for Sanum).
No extreme diet either, and still herxing. I eat bread and carbs, but try to avoid sugar. But am eating fruits as usual, except for bananas.
Husband got gout, was on antiinflamatory injections, then in capsules. He stopped these, was still falling down, and I tried Polysans with him.
Tuberculosis and strep antibodies dilutions! It is working, he said he would like to do bike tomorrow, after weeks having difficult even to walk. I wonder...
he's a non believer, so he thinks he got well by itself. But mind that on Wednesday, before we started on polysans, he was still having difficulty even to walk.
well well, there's a lot to explore here I feel. The treatment for candida is soo different from killing only approach.
I'm not free from candida, but so far, only two are testing, candida parapsilosis and the one from Ustilakehl (for my uterus).
What I find doesnt work is the Alkalan products. At least, they don't test for longer. SAnuvis though for pH control tests more. And all the immuno things Utilin etc, still didnt test.
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Just a thought, instead of taking drops, test with a tensor the best place to attach a sanum vial and use an LED. You could even use an empty sanum bottle whether muc, pef, alb whatever. It is no different then a nosode vial.
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How do you know which "sanum" products to use?? How do you use the test kit??
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Yes, Bob. The only problem is that I need someone to flash on me and I find it faster to ingest or rub.
Unexpected: there's test kit that is sold in the US (but I couldn't find it through my pharmacy in Germany).
I would read as much as you can find on Sanum, there's some sort of standard way to start (alcalinization, then moving to penicilium preparations, exmykehl etc).
Then going on further, different problems follow different suggestions of products. There are many articles to be read, you gotta search.
I guess most lyme people would test positive for Albicansan and the Sanukehl Cand.
The ones I used more so far were: Sanuvis, Citrokehl, Notakehl, fortakhel, Pefrakehl, Mucokehl, Ustilakehl, and one or other sanukehls.
I also used Exmykehl in the beginning (GI) and Alkala (but would not buy it again). I heard that ART A and ART U are good.
But I don't know much if these are good for everyone.
I heard Grifokehl is good for viruses, but I can't find it here in Germany.
That's why I find that after the initial steps, if you feel some reaction to the treatment, some sort of energetic tests would be good to see where there can be problems, which pathogens are active...
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Shandy -- I can test for it with a biotensor. Most testing is done with kiniesiology or ART. I'm guessing that will change.
I don't believe I have yeast or fungi anymore. I do have some viruses and parasites and a bit of healing to do. The sanum products are very unique and are an elegant way for removing infection. That's why monolaurin is a very important piece. Monolaurin strenghens your immune system and with sanum identifies the pathogens your immune system should attack.
What I learned from the biotensor, is pef should be used before alb, at least for me.
Selma -- I don't energetically test for positive for lyme or metals anymore. Using MMS for these many months actually worked to killing it, IMO.
I've dramatically reduced all supplements except monolaurin. I guess my immune system hadn't completely recovered yet.
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Hey Bob, so happy for you!!
Just watch that herbs for lyme don't test either. First, it's the pathogen that can't be found by ART (I don't know about biotensor though). The pathogens can be still active, but we can't track them with muscle tests anymore, too low numbers for that.
But IF herbs for cysts or active borrelia test, even in minor amounts (like one drop of cats claw, one drop of Noni for example), in my experience, it means there's still lyme. That's what my lyme doctor says. Testing for herbs are more sensitive than testing pathogen slides.
The trick is to take the herbs until they don't test at all, nothing, no lyme herbs at all not even a single drop. That's been for me the case.
When I reach the stage where you are (no more borrelia testing), I go through all other pathogens to test them and ALL my lyme and coinfection herbs to see if any of them test. Even mere propolis.
And also to my KMT, because that's the time something new (or old) may come up.
It can be two things: you achieved remission OR your ecossystem (!) is changing again and new critters may show up in a short while. It's a delicade balance.
But the news of no borrelia testing, in any case, excellent news for you, it's definitively a step up. Congrats!
I'm soo happy to find other people in similar phase as I am, so that we can still exchange some ideas. There's little info on how to remain in remission, which herbs to take, what to do, etc.
Certainly, your immune system is far from perfect like mine was (and still is), after having fought for so long and due to the chronic condition.
It takes quite a while (dr. K. says an average of 2 years AFTER most heavy metals and most pathogens are flushed out) to get your cells working again well. That's a long time.
My borrelia revivals usually happened during the time I sleep little (I mean, little, like 2-5 hours a day) for a few consecutive days. The last one occurred while flushing heavy metals off, but was short lived.
Many thanks for the monolaurim tip, I'll certainly keep an eye on that.
You are right, Sanum way of fighting yeast-candida is elegant, specially if your problem was not that bad like mine.
I have probably candida parapsilosis for about 2 decades if not more, so for me, this one is taking longer than the others.
I also started on a new battle few days ago with Ustilakehl and it is also still testing.
All other candida-fungi are quiet now. And it was fast to get them quiet, which was surprising.
So glad you are there, Bob! Keep on going!! Fingers crossed for you, expecting you achieved real remission (even if temporary, that is GREAT)!
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Selma and Shandy -- well today was another day of exercising aerobically 40 minutes between treadmill (1.5) miles running and lifting. I absolutely have no pain after.
I had to supplement with magnesium and dark chocolate and 4 heath bars. I still have toxins and tested positive for MSM and activated charcoal and glutathione. My body is trying to heal and restructure, at least I'm hoping.
Thanks Selma -- for me its been a long road, still got a little ways to go yet.
By the way, I used raintree amazon c-f, it has many herbals as well as cats claw. I don't test positively for it. I do test positively for noni and mangosteen powder I have. I believe I test positive for noni for endocrine system, I'm taking too little for it to be therapeutic.
I figure I'll know in a couple of weeks how permanent this is going to be.
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Bob, I think the Noni testing can mean something good, as it goes for cysts.
My Noni tincture never tested for long, but it almost always tested in important phases of healing.
Cats claw doesen't usually test good to be taken WITH Noni, but only separate. Even though some ART practioners take them together, they never really tested good together for me.
Good luck, really, keep on exercising!
I'm on a big herx with Sanum, and plus lots of killers are testing today. No jogging today for me!!
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Part of the healing process is aerobic exercise. I think it has to do with pushing out sodium and intaking magnesium to create ATP actions in the body. What I notice is my recovery time from execise is shortening.
I signed up for a racquetball tournament on Saturday. It's a friendly one, we'll see how it goes. I'm fighting a virus or maybe Alv is right I'm fighting Bart, my tensor says virus but I don't have a bart nosode yet to figure it out. So, I'm going to be ordering a nosode at the store GiGi thankfully posted as well as many others. I can get to the english setting, we'll see how it works out.
Check out www.royaltropics.com , I purchased my noni there, it tests extremely well, not only from my tensor, but my Doctor who use ART.
Slowly disolving the powder in your mouth is therapeutic I believe. I read some place the digestive process starts in the mouth. The mouth starts breaking down substances immediately there. It is like an information center to the rest of the body. So when we slowly dissolve some substance using the enzymes in the mouth, we're improving digestion.
Well just a thought.
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Thanks for the Noni tip, Bob. But I didn't find the tincture, only capsules. Do they work as well as tinctures?
I'm just writing to say, no Pylori for me, as I expected. I had though problems with Escherichia coli, which I'm treating.
Candida parapsilosis has stopped testing. Now I'm treating other stuff.
My skin mycosis, so far, had the following causes:
- mycobacterium tuberculosis typus bovis (horrible infection and swelling on hands) - mycosis fungoides - fungus flora (both strong in the GI tract, hands and toes) - candida albicans (I got a light case, but it tested in my GI tract and a bit on the skin). - aspergillus niger (all over my body) - mucor racemosus (caused me very painful blisters when treated, both in the mouth and on my palms) - candida parapsilosis (caused my main mycosis I suffered for decades, in the GI tract, then skin). - mycobacterium tuberculosis typus brevis (causing a sort of mycosis with ulcers on palms, back of the hand and toes, but not so painful as with mucor).
So far, these are the stuff that CAUSED my skin problems which I only called mycosis... No wonder I found it hard to treat it before, I thought it had a single cause!!!
Most of the fungus-yeast inhabit the GI tract too, so when we find them on the skin, the GI tract had been already colonized with them. No wonder my tummy was always weak. Funny thing is that I had no real GI symptom, only skin symptom.
Once I attacked them with the right nosodes, Gosh, I can say they were there (no details, please).
Until now, no helicobacter pylori testing.
I'm back to eating absolutely everything, even brownies and cookies! Not a lot, but I'm not refusing any desert socially since Sunday! Back to my dark chocolates too!
No flares, but I am still treating the ulcers from mycobacterium brevis...
These multiple infections I had/ have, I believe, are much older than lyme for me. I start to believe that they are the key why I fell sick so fast after my first tick bite.
When borrelia and friends were injected in my blood first time ever, I just collapsed, as I had been fighting for decades of multiple yeast-candidal infections... My immune system was in wreck already, even though I never really caught colds since I was a child. Does it sound familiar?
If helicobacter shows up later, I'll let you know! So far, not.
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Selma -- Great find!! congratulations on finding all that.
I think it is always important to test for h-pylori. Its very easy to get.
I'm going to have to see my practioner soon to test through his sanum kit. Just to make sure there is nothing else. I'll wait until I get my new biotensor before I go, so I can test with him.
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Thanks for the info guys!
I can't do anything now but after I get settled - I'm going to have to re-read all of this.
Very interesting about testing for Lyme via the remedies rather than your body...Selma. The cysts can lay dormant for a while.
It takes time to understand what you are writing about in regards to this type of treatment. It seems to be very helpful in the struggle against all of these pathogens.
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Sparkle, Sanum sounds a bit complicated, but I guess bits of reading and energetic tests can do a lot.
It is for me true that after I don't test for borrelia slides, my body still has them, even active, but in so low numbers my muscle tests can't find them, so I test negative. It's the first big step to wellness.
But I still continue testing for killers, like cats claw or eleuthero (immunomodulator), or Noni, or astragalus, even propolis... If I still test for any of my usual borrelia herbs, even in minor quantities, it means active borrelia. Only when NOTHING tests, no killer at all, then I'm sure it got dormant again.
If one drop of cats claw tests, yes, active borrelia is somewhere.
Of course, my symptoms have not much to do, because I get symptomless quite fast, but still test for borrelia herbs for a while.
During my Sanum story recently, borrelia got awaken again, for exactly 3 days. I was totally symptomless. One morning, I started testing for many killers, many at once. I was a bit surprised, but didn't think of borrelia at first, as I was testing for echinacea, propolis, pau d'arco, well I dind't think borrelia.
In the evening, I got that flash, and said, Gosh, if this is borrelia again? Well, ditto. Borrelia slides tested again in the GI tract. I asked then for cats claw, 3 drops tested. Next day, 2 drops. Next, 1 drop. Then gone to dormant again BEFORE it caused me symptoms.
It looks like my imagination, I know, but I've seen borrelia awakening too many times not to believe my tests! The cascading downwards is very fast once it starts recolonization for good. Viruses, intestinal parasites, everything awakens together and hell starts again.
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Selma and Sparkle -- check out the following link : it is for the powder not the tincture. www.royaltropics.com. They have both mangosteen and noni. This powder I believe is much stronger then the drinks, imo. Powders are from the periocarp the mangosteen fruit not the juice and the shell part of noni both parts are much higher then the juice, imo of the health nutrients. Initially, put it in my mouth and sublingually digest it. I think it might be better then the tinctures.
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I'll check it out Bob... Thanks!
Selma - the herbs can be used for different ailments. How do you know it's Bb instead of some other condition? They all have various properties...
I used the LightWorks for a short time & it made me have a detox reaction. I haven't been using it hardly at all for a couple of months. For some reason, it effects me very strongly.
I have to use lots of detoxifiers. I'd like to keep going but I can't right now due to moving. I guess I just have to wait.
I tested negative for Lyme with my pendulum but it may not be accurate. Maybe I'm detoxing something else? It's hard for me to say right now.
I downloaded the Sanum info. I'll have to wait until we get settled to delve into all of that. I'd like to get an Asyra test done, too - just to have a reference point. They also give you a consultation & recommend the Deseret Biologicals remedies.
I'm looking forward to it. It just seems silly to get into it all now when I'm packing. My mind is pretty discombobulated with all that's going on. We should be settled within a month.
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Thanks for the info Bob. Do you also like the mangosteen powder? I had bought once some mangosteen in capsules, they tested good a bit, then nevermore. I suppose this is different, like you say...
Sparkle, no idea what you could be detoxing... What do you treat with Lightworks to get these reactions?
As for herbs, you are right, I can't be sure it's lyme or not. But there's a 'pattern':
1- Pattern for the END of borrelia: while still testing positive for borrelia with the slides, I know which are my herbs for it at that moment (example, 1 tsp astragalus, 10 drops cats claw and 5 drops pau d'arco for cysts).
Next days, I could get something like 1 drop cats claw, 1/2 tsp astragalus, 2 drops pau d'arco, 10 drops Noni. Then suddenly, cats claw stops testing, pau d'arco too, and only Noni and astragalus test.
Then I ask for the borrelia slides, they may come negative at this point, but Noni still CONTINUES testing for a few days, astragalus & pau d'arco stop testing. I still herx, I know it's from cysts or borrrelia because of the continuation pattern in the herbs, WHILE borrelia slides still tested.
Until no more Noni, no more any of Buhner's herbs test, then I can be sure borrelia is gone dormant. Until the herbs test, even one drop of cats claw, I am pretty sure that stopping treatment means reactivation immediately after stopping it.
2- pattern for the RE-APPEARANCE of borrelia: No much pattern in herbs, they can be all different. I just start testing for many killers and immunomodulators SUDDENLY, from one day to another.
Borrelia slides usually test at that point, because if my body is asking for so many killers, there must be a significant number of borrelia causing it.
I have the impression the reapearance looks like an explosion, the borrelia wakes up like wanting revenge (they try to put all their energies while my body and killers are on vacation). A bit like a surprise attack from them.
Most of the times, I have no lyme symptom when it happens. If I don't treat it at that moment, symptoms will appear for sure, and in my case, it's fast and downwards. When symptoms appear, the treatment will take longer than if treated before symptoms appear.
I've been dealing with this ballet for quite some time (dormant to active again), so I KNOW that I have to attack it aggressively or else suffer weeks or months trying to put it back to remission.
Somehow, my borrelia usually awakens in my GI tract, and parasites will come up together, then a virus, then I get all the cascading downwards.
Last time I didn't treat it immediately for lack of energy as I was treating my daughter for TBE 24/24 hours. I said, "well, I dealt with borrelia revivals before, I'll take care of it when my daughter gets better because I have no energy to self-treat."
Mistake, it took me from May to September to get rid of it, many symptoms came back strong not to say all parallel infections or parasitism that follow it...
My ART doctor says too, if you test for herbs, go for them. The slides are only an indication, and many times, we don't know what the herbs are testing for, he said. I suppose the same goes with nosodes. He is also for the opinion that remedy tests are more precise than the slide test.
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Selma -- I think what I'm getting to is the power of the mouth and the enzymes in the mouth to tell the body here it comes. I think too often with tinctures and capsules we are bypassing nature's intention.
A better way to look at is to take a 1/2 teaspoon noni powder, 1/2 teaspoon of mongosteen powder, a little glutathione some raw honey and create a home made lozenge.
My thought, stop bypassing the enzymatic processing of the mouth. It just might be important part of how are bodies determine how to use these substances we put in. Without the mouth we may be loosing some efficacy.
If 1/2 teaspoon of powder is essentially the same as 1 bottle of Noni Juice. Do the math 1 pound of Noni Powder at about 30 dollars, gee how many bottles of noni could you make? Same for mangosteen.
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Very interesting... I think you are testing "patterns" Selma. I think I'm going through a similar experience of Bb reactivating.
I tested negative for Lyme for a while with my pendulum. Now, I'm testing positive again. I can feel it, too. All of the sudden I started getting alot of pain in my shoulders, neck, headaches, etc.
I'm also having discomfort in my intestines (I just assumed it was a detox). I have no idea what it could be from. I never used to have any problems there. I'll have to give it some thought.
I tested negative to use the LightWorks & positive to go back on the Cowden protocol. I also tested positive for the mangosteen powder & some other things.
I read that the mangosteen capsules can have fillers. Maybe your body doesn't like the extras added, Selma? Some people have problems with them.
Interesting idea Bob - about the digestion beginning in the mouth. I have been having some thoughts about supplements. I think I have to readjust my ideas about supplements. I think the whole concept needs some fine tuning.
I think we may be taking too much, especially of some of the synthetic vitamins & supplements. I'm trying to eat better & not take so many vitamins. Balance may be key.
Keep up the good work exploring!
This company also sells organic mangosteen powder & a bunch of other things-
(I don't make money from them. I just found them through Google.)
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Just pulling this thread up as I think I got all my fungi, candida, aspergilus, mucor racemosus under control in the last months / weeks.
So it took about 7 months in total? Dr. K. usually says it takes 9 months to get them under control, so I'm quite happy.
And if my memory is good, about a year on Mucor / Aspergilus treatment to get them under control. 7 months was all that it took (knocking on wood though not to get them back).
Sanum was my basic therapy. I thought I was going to be on a LONG term Mucor / Aspergilus fight, but they are ALL dormant. Candida, all strains too.
So are my daughter's strains of active infections.
Just re-writing to recommend to L-forms of Sanum nosodes that do wonders for candida (albicans and parapsilosis in my case).
I think my body reached also a low level of heavy metals finally, but I thank Sanum for having helped me get rid of active infections!
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