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Harrumph! Keep your ticks in Clearfield Co. We don't want 'em over here in Montco.
Seriously tho, that's scary. Didn't even know we had RMSF in these parts.
Btw, have you noticed a huge increase in numbers of ticks since the cooler weather kicked in? Didn't see a single tick all spring or summer.
Found one crawling on me last week and just found another embedded in the dog last night. *sigh*
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treepatrol
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Thanks everyone, I think the last I looked at stats it quite awhile ago there was like 1 RMSF case mentioned in a couple of years. I have a aqaintence that was bit by supposedly brown recluse DUH the bite to my eye was a tick bite I told him that you have more of chance getting bitten by a recluse here in pa as by getting hit by lightning twice.
It was a bad rash under his arm dark purple almost looked likelyme crossed with bart. Now 2 years later he exhibiting back pain,shoulder pain etc. Can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. ps he has made trips to letterkenny and has had ticks on him from there also no bites from there though that he knew of.
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With the best of intentions, parents across this country try to protect their kids from Lyme disease by slathering their children in gallons of tick repellent. But what says tick repellent on the label is usually nothing more than mosquito repellent given a face-lift. Thanks to aggressive marketing by manufacturers, it is difficult to find a tick repellent that doesn't use DEET as its main ingredient.
DEET is an excellent mosquito repellent, but it is a fairly poor tick repellent. The reason we are inundated with so many DEET repellents is because there are several huge corporations that manufacture hundreds of variations of DEET products. Only a few manufacturers use the more effective tick repellent ingredient approved for human use: 0.5 % permethrin.
Permethrin is a synthetic pyrethoid insecticide that is widely used as an insecticide in both agricultural and home applications. There are pros and cons to using either DEET or Permethrin for personal use, but when it comes to efficacy of disabling ticks before they can feed on you: Permethrin wins hands down!
Permethrin is a spray that is used on clothes only! If ingested permethrin is toxic and can cause a variety of neurologic symptoms, and prolonged exposure in rats caused lung cancer. It is also highly toxic to aquatic systems and fish. For this reason care must be given to using pyrethroid insecticides on yards that drain to near by aquatic systems. When permethrin is sprayed on clothing, it becomes odorless and can last for several weeks with a single application. Once it is applied most ticks will curl up and fall off if they make contact with the clothing, and the ticks will eventually die if there is prolonged exposure. Care must be given to all insecticides to ensure that they are as safe and effective as they can be without human and ecological side effects. Permethrin is used in over 100 million applications a year in agriculture and home use. But its use as a tick repellent on clothing is a tiny fraction of the amount used world-wide for insect control. The military tested permethrin on soldiers and published a 67 page report of its efficacy and safety. In these studies soldiers completely saturated their clothes inside and out with permethrin and let them dry and then used DEET on the skin and outside of the clothing.
For domestic use, smaller amounts of spray are quite effective for most day hikers and campers. Permethrin sprays are best applied to clothing outdoors in well ventilated areas, applied directly on the outside of clothing especially in those areas that are most likely to come in contact with ticks including: shoes, socks, pant legs, belt lines, cuffs, collars and hats. For further protection from ticks and mosquitoes, mosquito sprays containing 35% DEET or less can be applied to bare skin. ------------------------------------------------------------ Pros and Cons: DEET needs to be applied regularly and can only work as it is evaporating. Permethrin works for weeks after it has dried on clothing fibers. DEET has a pungent aroma and works best when you can still smell it evaporating Permethrin is odorless when dry and works for weeks. DEET is applied directly to the skin and can be absorbed through the skin. Permethrin is applied to clothing only and has limited contact to the skin. DEET does not kill or disable ticks, and is a poor tick repellent. Permethrin works instantly and is extremely effective. It is the tick repellent of choice by the military. It also kills many other biting insects but is a poor mosquito repellent. DEET can melt synthetic clothes like nylon. Permethrin causes no damage to any known cloth or synthetic fiber. DEET products are easy to find. Permethrin is hard to find and more expensive. DEET also repels fish and is not a good tackle box buddy. Permethrin is directly toxic in small quantities to fish and care should be taken to minimize its exposure to aquatic systems. DEET has been implicated in causing neurological symptoms by absorption through the skin. Permethrin is applied to clothing not the skin, but also is neurotoxic in animal models when ingested. DEET is an excellent mosquito repellent but a very poor tick repellent. Permethrin causes ticks to curl and die on contact. ---------------------------------------------------------- Permethrin containing products that are approved for human use ae manufactured by Coulston labs, and can be found under labels such as Duranon, Permanone, Repel w/permethrin, and Congo Creek Tick Spray. A 0.5 % veterinary permethrin product can be found in most feed stores and horse supply shops as a horse tick repellent. The veterinary products tend to cost about half the price per ounce as the human-use product.
In a field test that the Minnesota Insect-Borne Disease Education Council did in Jay Cook State Park in Northern Minnesota, they found that the permethrin products out performed the DEET containing tick repellents. A walking shoe was sprayed with Duranon 0.5% permethrin and then three weeks later it was tested against its matching mate that was sprayed with Deep Woods Off 35 % DEET. The ticks that made contact with the Duranon shoe immediately rolled up and dropped off. The ticks on the soaking wet DEET saturated shoe continued to crawl unimpaired.
To avoid ticks wear light colored clothing. Tuck your pants into your socks. Tuck your shirt into your pants, and wear a hat. Spray your shoes, socks, belt-line, collar, and hat with a permethrin containing tick repellent. (Ticks like to move upward so tucking clothes in is quite effective). Do a tick check after walking in high-risk areas, and put any clothes that might have live ticks on them into a hot dryer for thirty minutes to kill all insects. Keep your Family Safe ! Do Tick Checks !
To view a document with more information on Permethrin's toxic effects to aquatic systems go to: www.pesticide.org/Permethrin.pdf
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We lived near Downingtown, PA, in the early sities and there was Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever there back then. A member of a relative's church died of it.
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breaking up tree's 1 superlong paragraph...
Permethrin is a spray that is used on clothes only!
If ingested permethrin is toxic and can cause a variety of neurologic symptoms, and prolonged exposure in rats caused lung cancer.
It is also highly toxic to aquatic systems and fish.
For this reason care must be given to using pyrethroid insecticides on yards that drain to near by aquatic systems.
When permethrin is sprayed on clothing, it becomes odorless and can last for several weeks with a single application.
Once it is applied most ticks will curl up and fall off if they make contact with the clothing, and the ticks will eventually die if there is prolonged exposure.
Care must be given to all insecticides to ensure that they are as safe and effective as they can be without human and ecological side effects.
Permethrin is used in over 100 million applications a year in agriculture and home use.
But its use as a tick repellent on clothing is a tiny fraction of the amount used world-wide for insect control.
The military tested permethrin on soldiers and published a 67 page report of its efficacy and safety.
In these studies soldiers completely saturated their clothes inside and out with permethrin and let them dry and then used DEET on the skin and outside of the clothing.
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