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Eat local, organically grown food if you can.
Know your farmer and if you can grow it yourself.
Yep we're one big experiment.
Thanks for posting JC
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This may sound like a dumb question James, but if that's the case, why am I not cured of Lyme? I'm being serious. TOo low quantity of it? Wrong method? Please alaborate.
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Well, I am only experimenting on this product...I cant be sure if it actually REALLY works...it appears to work...but its only been 11days?
Yes, too low a dose to work against lyme in your blood. And I should mention that I have found frontline plus seemed to CLEAN out my blood plasma but NOT bugs hiding inside red cells, I had to add wormwood to kill those.
BTW, my LLMD approves of my experiment...I told him the facts and the research and he liked it. Said, maybe I figured it out. Of course he didnt TELL me to do it, hes not going to stick his neck out for me...but...I WILL! FOR ME!
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FYI - There's a product called Program that is flea killer for cats (I think they have it for dogs, too). It's taken internally by the cat. They also have one you can apply to the cat's skin.
I don't think I would take it internally. I don't even like the idea of giving it to my cat. He can't tell me if it's making him feel weird.
I don't have any objection of you using it, james... I just think there may be better alternatives.
Fleas are not bart or Lyme. Spirochetes are not insects. You may find lots of stuff that kills Lyme in vitro but it might kill you, too.
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Can you READ?
I DID test it internally, and its preventing virtually ANY living invaders in my blood plasma 11 days? and counting. I cant even find any adult lyme whatsoever now. This is without question, so far anyway, a better result upon testing my real blood instantly after removal from my system. This is NOT a test tube test, this is real blood in real time, tested.
Your getting confused about terms...
a beaker only test is when you simply apply the compound to be tested directly into a test tube and then test it...
But I am placing frontline on my skin and THEN checking the blood from my body, thats a more valid test.
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Putting it on your skin & testing your blood after is not what I would consider "internally".
There are also a host of variables... what other products are you taking, blood exam results before & after the Frontline, etc.?
The main questions is how do you feel?
You've been doing these experiments with various things for a while. Do you feel any better yet?
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He said in a seperate thread he feels quite a bit better than he did before, especially taking loads of Abx.
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James,
The title of your post is untrue.
Fipronil is not in wide-spread use in agriculture in the U.S. There may be isolated uses in this country, and it appears that Bayer wants to market it in developing countries beyond its typical uses as an insecticide.
The other Frontline Plus active, S Methoprene, is used on some of the almond and some fruit crops, oranges and tangelo's, in California. Canadians use it on mushrooms. It is not in my food supply.
It is the height of irresponsibility to suggest that lyme patients use a strong insecticide, Frontline Plus, on their skin, as your other post on Frontline Plus does by your example. No matter what you think you are seeing in your microscope.
Good luck to you, and I hope that you do not damage other people's health as well as your own. If you have researched Fipronil, then you have read about the vomiting and seizures that can accompany acute exposure and poisoning with it.
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OMG PEOPLE.
I guess you dont get it.
Lyme and these TBDs are ABX resistent.
Its a known fact, and in fact I personally witnessed it.
So, what else can you do?
But wait, I guess you dont have any answers to the riddle.
And fipronil and methoprene ARE not highly toxic pesticides, where did you come up with that????
show me your data, show me double blind clinical trails...but, you cant, because fipronil is only highly toxic to beings that do NOT contain a backbone, DO you have a spine? If so, fipronil is considered LOW toxicity. NOT high, LOW, read the govt osha MSDS sheet on it. And your herbs have little or no double blind studies on them, yet you take them dont you? Your riskier then I am!
Methoprene is non toxic in beings with a spine.
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I give you points for bravery! But what about the long term affects? You can't know what those are.
Not that we won't have long term affects from antibiotics, but at least those have been studied in humans.
My fear is that prolonged use of this stuff could cause irreversible damage to you.
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Geez, I been on this 11 days....I dont plan on using it for life.
And where already exposed anyway in food...pets, etc.
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It would be wise to seek out a LLMD opinion on this. Or as crazy as this sounds, ask a vet?
You can't know what hazards may befall you by using such a chemical. Do you use it daily? Or do you apply it monthly as I do to my dog? Did you say you ingest it?
I fear that the spirochetes have reeked havoc on your brain, leading you to such experimentation.
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will somebody please explain to me what you are talking about?...I mean I can read but am i getting this?...are you taking the same stuff that's in a flea preventative for cats & dogs and somehow it's working?
Also, are you saying abx don't work on lyme? I am confused about this but I am very interested in what you are saying...not that I would personally try it myself!
Also, James, do you have a microscope and able to see the stuff working in your blood...omgosh.....this thread has really caught my attention!
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I have to also add that this is very interesting to say the least. Just sounds like you are taking a huge chance.
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you guys just dont understand this!
Little risk here. Both of these chemicals are sprayed on crops AND you use it on your pets!
Cattle are automatically FED FIPRONIL to prevent a cattle bart strain!
Fipronil is considered LOW toxicity in vertibrates.
We have a backbone.
Methoprene is non toxic in humans.
Both have been used for yrs widely, in pets for certain, AND CROPS. AND CATTLE.
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I agree with ya James... they do put that stuff on our crops, as well as feed it to animals.
People take risks every day when they pop an abx, or anything else... some, risker than others. But it's still always a risk. These days it's a risk to just breathe our own air. We ARE one big experiment.
So are you putting this stuff only on your skin? You aren't actually taking it orally?
Very interesting if you can't find anything in your blood these past 11 days.
And how goes it with the MMS? I have some here that I am going to start taking orally. Did it help you any? What did your blood studies show while on it? Are you still on it?
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