Cass A
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Dear Friends,
I just ran across some very disturbing news!!
The lab at Plum Island, which released Lyme Disease into the US, and is known to have had "accidents" with other serious diseases, is now planned to relocate to KANSAS, right in the center of the U.S.!!
We need to get the word out on the previous disasters stemming from the "research" at that facility!
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Just Great!!!! I thought moving to Kansas was the best move for my family. I'm staying in New Jersey right now but I own my home there in Kansas. My son and youngest daughter live there with my other grandbabies.
Infusion of $$$? Over the health and safety of animals and people? Kansas has some of the largest numbers of cattle in the country. A major wheat producer as well. Lots of farm land and crops.
Lets just make Kansas a really tempting target for terrorists. Kansas is also known for having more nuclear silos than anywhere in the us too.
Maybe they should look into using GTMO since there's always talk of closing the base there down. If they can't keep their "projects" contained on a friggen Island, how in the world are they going to do it on the mainland?
Just makes me sick
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randibear
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thank you for finding that. i posted earlier about it but couldn't find the information.
great job....but ugh, sorry for kansas...
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sparkle7
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It's probably good that it is being moved away from NYC vicinity... millions of people are at risk in the NYC area & the facility is decrepit, leaking, & not safe.
On the other hand, who wants it in Kansas? I think there would need to be a grassroots protest in Kansas to raise awareness about it.
Eventually, they will have to put it somewhere if they want to continue with this sort of thing. I don't think they will discontinue researching germ warfare anytime soon. I don't even think it is allowed due to the Geneva Convention but I don't think this is stopping anything.
I posted an interview with Michael Carroll on the Plum Island thread recently. He was saying how they may relocate to North Carolina. He said people there were protesting it, though.
I'm not sure if it was switched to Kansas instead. Anyone know?
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randibear
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why don't they just put the dang thing in the middle of the desert with area 51???
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sorry kansas but will it make the north east safer? i wish they would just shut it down
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Ummm, why the hell do we need this lab in the first place?! Enough already with the bug research. How many animals and people need to be tortured?!
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kelmo
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I had read that the next terrorist target might be our infectious bio labs that lack security.
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Pretty sure that the citizens in North Carolina protested the relocation of the lab to their state -- may be one reason it is going to Kansas. I think there is a lot of hog farming in the area near the NC site and that is one reason they didn't want the lab there.
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JRWagner
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First...there is absolutely no proof that your statement that Plum Island released Lyme is true. What you are repeating is just one of many THEORIES on Lyme, which, in fact has been around for 100's of years...it is just that no one discovered the cause of the set of symptoms and gave it a name.
The Montauk Indians used to have what was called Mantauk Knee...(Lyme) MANY years before Plum Island existed.
I have had Lyme for over 14 years and have conversed with most experts on the Epidemiology of Lyme and simply because Dr. Steere named Lyme for Lyme, Ct., and this was coincidentally close to Plum Island does not prove anything.
Check this: Lyme Disease Bacterium Came From Europe Before Ice Age
Peace, Love and Wellness, JRW
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sparkle7
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JR - It's a controversial topic - for sure. Borrelia has been around for a long time. Many believe it was weaponized for biological warfare at Plum Island & released into the environment - either by accident or on purpose.
There is a connection at Plum Island Research Facility with scientists that were brought here from Operation Paperclip after WW2. It's been well documented & researched by Michael Carroll in his book Lab 257 & by others.
One specific strain that causes Lyme was discovered by Willy Burgdorfer in 1982 - Borrelia burgdorferi.
"Of the 37 known species of Borrelia, 12 of these species are known to cause Lyme disease or borreliosis and are transmitted by ticks. The major Borrelia species causing Lyme disease are Borrelia burgdorferi, Borrelia afzelii, Borrelia garinii and Borrelia valaisiana."
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It may seem coincidental but to me it seems likely it's from Plum Island. There are other reasons why many people here feel there has been a cover-up in regards to Lyme & getting proper diagnosis, care & treatment.
It is subject to debate but we may never know the truth in our lifetimes. For now, I'll go under the assumption that Lyme, as I have experienced it, came from Plum Island Research Facility.
I can't say whether the Native Americans here had Borrelia burgdorferi or the people accused of being witches in Salem (one person wrote a book about this - which I don't believe) or people found from the Ice Age. It's a specific strain.
There are also other spirochetes related to Lyme but they are not the same thing - such as syphilis.
"In 1982, the bacterium that causes LB was first isolated by Willy Burgdorfer and colleagues from the hard tick Ixodes dammini (now Ixodes scapularis [175]) collected on Long Island, N.Y. (32).
The isolate was subsequently identified as a new species of the genus Borrelia and was named Borrelia burgdorferi in 1984 (111).
Since then, hundreds of B. burgdorferi isolates have been cultured worldwide from various geographic regions and biological sources, including Ixodes ticks, their reservoir hosts, and specimens from patients with different clinical syndromes.
Molecular analysis has indicated that these B. burgdorferi isolates are genetically and phenotypically divergent.
A closely related cluster containing several tick-borne Borrelia species and genomic groups associated with LB has been defined (14, 35, 68, 111, 116, 125, 143, 201, 267).
The term "B. burgdorferi sensu lato" is now collectively used to refer to all Borrelia isolates within this cluster and to distinguish it from the species "B. burgdorferi sensu stricto" (strict sense of B. burgdorferi) (14)."
From what I have read - there are possibly 300 different strains of the B. burgdorferi sensu lato complex...
There is also evidence in tampering with this bacteria in use for creating biological weapons.
I believe articles illustrating a natural origin for Lyme are being used to create confusion & draw people's attention away from the fact that it may be very likely to be caused from a weaponized bacteria.
This is just my opinion based on doing alot of research into the topic.
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
Even if Plum Island were not the SOURCE of Borrelia, the fact that it does extensive work on animal diseases and their vectors, including hoof and mouth disease (a virus which spreads so fast that cattle which might have come in contact with it must be destroyed) is now planned to move to the center of the U.S.--KANSAS--is bad enough!
However, there is evidence that this facility contains a biowarfare lab that works on debilitating diseases and how to spread them to humans, including spirochets.
If it is built in Kansas, in my opinion, it will be Ground Zero for a stealth biological attack/"accident" on the U.S. population, and probably food animals as well.
Most of the "front" research and development taking place at Plum Island, which this facility would replace, is on diseases of animals. There have been escapes of Hoof and Mouth disease virus from the island lab already--putting it in the heart of agricultural America is...well.... irresponsible? evil? psychotic?
One of the links below contains a letter from a worker at Plum Island, who states that the stuff they are working on CAN harm people--in contrast to the Public Relations being put out by the Govt.
Moving this lab to the center of the U.S. is truly a serious threat to the health and sanity of every person in the United States--this is not a "drill."
Lyme disease--and other tick-borne illnesses--often present as "psychiatric" and Lyme definitely attacks the brain within 14 days of infection, according to research done with radioactively tagged bacteria. Lyme is found in the tangles in the brains of Altzheimer's patients, and can cause autism from infection in utero. These are two of the most rapidly growing disabling conditions in America. It also produces serious "psychiatric" symptoms, such as mood swings, depression, etc. So do other spirochets and some of the co-infections often found from tick bites.
Many, many people who finally find out they have Lyme or other tick-borne diseases have been put on one or more psychotropic drugs because their doctors haven't diagnosed their physical problem.
Even if you can convince a doctor to test you, the commercially available tests incorrectly identify a huge percentage of the people who have Lyme as "negative."
However, even if the Plum Island lab wasn't the source of Lyme disease in the U.S., it is clearly insane to place a high-level biolab working on extremely virulent animal/human disases in the middle of America's agriculture and animal husbantry belt--or anywhere on the mainland of America, for that matter!!
Please help to defeat this move! We need to expose Plum Island labs for what they are, get the states that bid to have it to retract their bids so it has nowhere to go, and get it SHUT DOWN! And, the entire current site decontaminated!
Please get your mind in gear, thinking about WHO you could contact about this situation--what groups you know or are part of that would care? What media contacts you might have, who you have on your email list that should know about this? We don't have long to get the data out and to organize! The comment period on this plan is about to start!!
Here's the announcement that the U.S. Government Plum Island biowarfare lab, Public Relations designation as "animal disease research,"
Biologic warfare--Japan and German Nazi work on spirochets--the type of bacteria that transmit syphillis, Lyme, "trench fever," and relapsing fever. These "scientists" were taken to Plum Island, off the coast of Lyme, Connecticut, where Lyme Disease was first isolated due to it causing advanced osteoarthritis in children.
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randibear
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uh who came up with the bright idea anyway??
and what better place for a terrorist attack than this 4 million people inauguration?
winds blow across kansas and it's centrally located, plus all the cattle and farms, what were they thinking of?
not us, apparently
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sparkle7
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They are not going to stop working on this sort of thing - either covertly or in public view. I don't think any place on this earth is safe.
Maybe they could do it off of the planet or on the moon if they need to do this stuff so bad?
There would always be a risk of contamination anywhere a lab is built.
Plum Island is old & deteriorating. This island will not be able to be visited for many, many years if ever. It's still contaminated there.
NYC & vicinity has over 18 million people between NYC proper & the surrounding areas in a relatively small area. It's the largest city in the US. I can't think of any more dangerous place in the US to have a bio-weapons lab (or whatever they call it).
It's not a pleasant thought to have it in Kansas. Never mind terrorists - what about tornadoes?
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