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Hello,

I'm concered for my wife. We were intimate before I was diagnosised with Lyme/ Bartonella.

She now is sick with joint pain, flu-like symptoms and fatigue.

Do any of you have info about this or passed your disease to your spouse?

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Paragraph 4 has your answer. Wish it were a better answer.

ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE

Issue 41 / May 2001

LYME DISEASE

The Unknown Epidemic

By D. J. Fletcher and Tom Klaber

Millions of people who are diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer's, chronic fatigue syndrome and other degenerative diseases could have Lyme Disease causing or contributing to their condition.

Forget just about everything you think you know about Lyme disease:

It is not a rare disease, it is epidemic.

It is not just tick-borne; it can also be transmitted by other insects, including fleas, mosquitoes and mites - and by human-to-human contact.

Neither is Lyme usually indicated by a bull's-eye rash; this is found in only a minority of cases.

And, except when it is diagnosed at a very early stage, Lyme is rarely cured by a simple course of antibiotics.

Finally, Lyme is not just a disease that makes you "tired and achy" - it can utterly destroy a person's life and ultimately be fatal.
Lyme disease, in fact, might be the most insidious and least understood infectious disease of our day. "If it weren't for AIDS," says Nick Harris, Ph.D., President of Igenex, Inc., a research and testing laboratory in Palo Alto, California, "Lyme would be the number one infectious disease in the United States and Western Europe."
Lyme disease was first recognized in the United States in 1975, after a mysterious outbreak of arthritis near Lyme, Connecticut.

It wasn't until 1982 that the spirochete that causes Lyme was identified. It was subsequently named Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb), in honor of Willy Burgdorfer, Ph.D., a pioneer researcher.

Many now see the disease, also called Lyme borreliosis, as more than a simple infection, but rather as a complex illness that can consist of other co-infections, especially of the parasitic pathogens Babesia and Ehrlichia.

Lyme is sometimes called "the Great Imposter" because it can manifest such a broad range of symptoms that it is often misdiagnosed as other diseases.

Charles Ray Jones, M.D., of New Haven, Connecticut, says that many people who have Lyme "are thought to have multiple sclerosis, ALS [Lou Gehrig's disease], chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, Alzheimer's" and other debilitating conditions.

Dr. Harris has worked with physicians who have seen Lyme complications "ranging from neuropsychiatric problems, such as brain fog or even bipolar disorder, to ophthalmological and neurological problems. Headaches and heart problems (Lyme carditis) are common."

Joanne Whitaker, M.D., Research Director of the Bowen Research & Training Institute in Palm Harbor, Florida, believes that Lyme is at the base of both chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia -- the difference between the two being related to the virulence of the organism and the individual immune response. All three illnesses were "discovered" around the same time in the 1980s.

Katrina Tang, M.D., H.M.D., Medical Director of the Century Wellness Clinic in Reno, Nevada, says, "[Lyme] eludes many doctors because it can mimic many other diseases. This poses a public health risk, because doctors may treat the wrong disease or not find the true cause, thereby delaying treatment."

Delaying treatment can be disastrous. In later stages, writes Joseph J. Burrascano, M.D., of East Hampton, New York, "Lyme also includes collateral conditions that result from being ill with multiple pathogens, each of which can have a profound impact on the person's overall health. Together, damage to virtually all bodily systems can result."

Marylynn S. Barkley, Ph.D., M.D., Associate Professor (Neurobiology, Physiology and Behavior) at the University of California, Davis notes that around 15% of Lyme patient develop "serious problems. For those individuals, chronic debilitation and extreme pain can change their lives dramatically. A few individuals have committed suicide due to their inability to tolerate the extreme pain coupled with the frustration of being unable to obtain follow-up antibiotic therapy."


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UNACKNOWLEDGED EPIDEMIC

Officially, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that there have been less than 160,000 confirmed cases of Lyme disease since 1980. This contrasts sharply with the estimates of those physicians treating patients with degenerative diseases.

Says Dr. Harris, who is a director of the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS), and whose laboratory employs a number of tests for diagnosing Lyme, "Lyme is grossly under-reported. In the U.S., we probably have about 200,000 cases per year."

W Lee Cowden, M.D., of Richardson, Texas, a world-renowned consultant and integrative medicine educator; states that "There are very few symptoms where you shouldn't consider Lyme, especially given that a quarter of the U.S. population may be affected.

More than 50% of chronically ill people may have Lyme contributing to their condition." Dr. Whitaker, who specializes in advanced testing methods for Lyme, suspects that the great majority of people in the U.S. are infected with Bb because the hundreds of tests she performs every year now invariably come out positive.

All the other clinicians with whom the authors spoke agreed that Lyme has reached epidemic proportions. How is this possible? Obviously 25% of Americans haven't been bitten by one of a select few species of ticks. The answer is that Lyme is not transmitted just by ticks.

"Of the more than 5,000 children I've treated, 240 have been born with the disease," says Dr. Jones, who specializes in Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine. "Twelve children who've been breast-fed have subsequently developed Lyme. Bb can be transmitted transplacentally, even with in vitro fertilization; I've seen eight children infected in this way. People from Asia who come to me with the classic Lyme rash have been infected by fleas and gnats."

Gregory Bach, D.O., presented a study on transmission via semen at the American Psychiatric Association meeting in November 2000. He confirmed Bb DNA in semen using the PCR test (Polymerase Chain Reaction). Dr. Bach calls Bb "a brother" to the syphilis spirochete because of their genetic similarities. For that reason, when he treats a Lyme patient in a relationship, he often treats the spouse; otherwise, he says, they can just pass the Bb back and forth, reinfecting each other.

Dr. Tang adds other avenues of infection: "Transmission may also occur via blood transfusion and through the bite of mosquitoes or other insects." Dr. Cowden contends that unpasteurized goat or cow milk can infect a person with Bb.


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UNRELIABLE TESTING

What is the reason for the discrepancy between the government's Statistics and the experience of front-line physicians? Says Dr. Jones, "The CDC criteria was developed only for surveillance; it was never meant for diagnosis.

Lyme is a clinical diagnosis. The test evidence may be used to support a clinical diagnosis, but it doesn't prove one has Lyme. About 50% of patients I've seen have been seronegative [blood test negative] for Lyme but meet all the clinical criteria."

Most of the standard tests used to detect Lyme are notoriously unreliable. Explains Dr. Harris, "The initial thing patients usually get is a Western Blot antibody test. This test is not positive immediately after Bb exposure, and only 60% or 70% of people ever show antibodies to Bb."

Dr. Cowden favors two tests developed respectively by Dr. Whitaker and by Lida Mattnan, Ph.D., Director of the Nelson Medical Research Institute in Warren, Michigan. However both of these tests have yet to win FDA approval for diagnostic use.

Explains Dr. Whitaker, "We have developed the Rapid Identification of Bb (RIBb) test. A highly purified fluorescent antibody stain specific for Bb is used to detect the organism. This test provides results in 20 to 30 minutes, a key to getting the right treatment started quickly."

Dr. Mattman's culture test also uses a fluorescent antibody staining technique which allows her to study live cultures under a fluorescent microscope. "When a person is sick," says Dr. Mattman, "antibodies get tied up in the tissues, in what is called an immune complex, and are not detected in the patient's blood plasma. So it's not that the antibody isn't there or hasn't been produced; it just isn't detectable. Thus, the tests which are based on detecting antibodies give false negatives."

The tests of Drs. Whitaker and Mattman do not look for antibodies but look for the organism, in the same way that tuberculosis is diagnosed.

There are several reasons why Lyme is so difficult to test for - and difficult to treat.

Take, for instance, the bull's-eye rash called Erythma migrans that is supposed to appear after being bitten by a tick carrying the Lyme spirochete. Every doctor with whom the authors spoke said that this rash appears in only 30% to 40% of infected people. Dr. Jones said that fewer than 10% of the infected children he sees exhibit the rash.


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A MASTER OF ELUSIVENESS

More importantly, Lyme can disseminate throughout the body remarkably rapidly. In its classic spirochete form, the bacteria can contract like a large muscle and twist to propel itself forward: because of this spring-like action it can actually swim better in tissue than in blood.

It can travel through blood vessel walls and through connective tissue. Animal studies have shown that in less than a week after being infected, the Lyme spirochete can be deeply embedded inside tendons, muscle, the heart and the brain. It invades tissue, replicates and destroys its host cell as it emerges.

Sometimes the cell wall collapses around the bacterium, forming a cloaking device, allowing it to evade detection by many tests and by the body's immune system.

But the main reason that Lyme is so resistant to detection and therapy is that it can radically change form - it is pleomorphic. Explains Dr. Whitaker; "We have examined blood samples from over 800 patients with clinically diagnosed Lyme disease with RiBb test and have rarely seen Bb in anything but a cell wall deficient (CWD) form.

The problem is that a CWD organism doesn't have a fixed exterior membrane presenting information - a target - that would allow our immune systems or drugs to attack it, or allow most current tests to detect it."

As a CWD organism, says Dr. Mattman, Bb is extremely diverse in its appearance, its activity and its vulnerability.

Adds Dr. Cowden, "Because Bb is very pleomorphic, you can't expect any one antibiotic to be effective. Also, bacteria share genetic material with one another; so the offspring of the next bug can have a new genetic sequence that can resist the antibiotic."


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CLINICAL DIAGNOSIS

The doctors the authors interviewed all had their own testing preferences, but each insisted that Lyme was a clinical diagnosis, only supported by testing and retesting.

"We look at the patient's history and symptoms, genetic tendencies, metabolism, past immune function problems or infection," explains Dr. Bock, "as well as history and duration of antibiotic treatment, co-infection, nutritional and micronutritional status and also psychospiritual factors."

Dr. Tang uses all of the above, but also analyzes the blood using darkfield microscopy, although she cautions that not spotting the spirochete doesn't mean that the patient does not have Lyme disease.

Dr. Cowden also employs muscle testing and electrodermal screening. Dr. Burrascano has developed a weighted list of diagnostic criteria and an exhaustive symptom checklist.

"In pediatric screening especially," says Dr. Jones, "we ask about sudden, sometimes subtle, changes in behavior or cognitive function such as losing skills or losing the ability to learn new material; not wanting to play or go outside; running a fever; being sensitive to light or noise. If one has joint phenomena, we know that an inflammatory or infectious process is present. A hallmark of Lyme is fatigue unrelieved by rest."

For women, Dr. Barkley has found that testing around the time of menses increases the probability of discovering the presence of Bb. "Women with Lyme have an exacerbation of their symptoms around menses," she explains. "The decline of both estrogen and progesterone at the end of the menstrual cycle is associated with the worsening of the patient's Lyme symptoms."


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ANTIBIOTIC TREATMENT

Every authority the authors spoke with considered antibiotics the primary treatment for Lyme, but that the accepted "standard" antibiotic therapies (of a duration and type acceptable to insurance carriers, HMOs, mainstream physicians, etc.) are insufficient.

Lyme is sometimes classified as having different stages early vs. chronic, or localized vs. disseminated. "The biggest distinction is between early-stage and chronic," says Dr. Whitaker. "In the beginning, many organ systems are invaded while the patient may experience no symptoms. As time goes on we see multiple system symptoms involving the whole body, especially the central and peripheral nervous systems, and the musculoskeletal, skin and circulatory systems. Many Lyme cases are diagnosed by psychiatrists. Dr. Brian Fallon is studying cognitive and other neuropsychiatric manifestations."

The problem, says Dr. Barkley, is that "There isn't an adequate treatment model. So if the physician says you have Lyme, and gives you the standard antibiotic therapy, and you aren't better; the thinking is that you must have something else wrong, such as an autoimmune problem, or else you didn't have Lyme disease in the first place. Short-term oral antibiotics are effective in treating localized Lyme, but with disseminated Lyme, the requirement for either intravenously administered antibiotics or long-term oral antibiotics becomes common."

In his regular practice, Dr. Bock has always tried to avoid antibiotics. But, he says, "If you go back to syphilis, the history of spirochetes is one of being able to hide out and then reappear, causing severe, devastating neurological illness. This isn't a risk I would recommend taking with Bb."

Most of the physicians recommended an immediate short course of antibiotics for anyone bitten by a deer tick, or who exhibits certain symptoms.

"It takes a while for the immune system to produce antibodies," says Dr. Barkley. "So Lyme testing, other than by a skin biopsy from an active rash within 14 days following the bite, may yield inconclusive results. Symptoms of Lyme include fever night sweats, fatigue or a flu-like illness that does not improve within three to five days."

Other symptoms reported by physicians include stiff neck, prolonged joint and muscle pain, heart palpitations, brain fog or severe headaches.

"I tally all the initial symptoms and signs, and try to weed them out one by one," says Dr. Jones. However, he cautions, "Treatment duration varies with each individual. If one stops antibiotics prematurely, a more resilient Bb infection will develop that will cause more brain and body injury."


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ADJUNCT THERAPIES

None of these physicians relied solely on antibiotics; they used immune system-strengthening protocols as well.

"The immune system may be less able to respond if the person is having a hard time clearing toxins," says Dr. Bock. "You're going to add to this overload by taking antibiotics. For general immune support, we've used maitake and reishi mushrooms, ginseng and astragalus.

"Natural medicine approaches include anti-inflammatory eicosanoids such as fish oil and borage seed oil; high-potency multivitamin and mineral formulas; CoQ10 and other mitochondrial nutrients; cognitive enhancement substances such as carnitine and certain herbal extracts. Acupuncture combined with physical therapy can often reduce pain.

I have posted an online article that discusses these alternative approaches in more depth at my [Dr. Bock's] website, http://www.patientsamerica.com/cond_xment/lyme.htm ." [Or click here for a local file.]

Dr. Cowden recited a litany of natural immunotherapy agents. His recommendations include the following: "Transfer factor-ImmuneFactor 2 and CellResponse are good products; Thymic Protein A; medicinal mushroom combinations such as ImmPower AHCC; glyconutrients like Ambrotose; arabinogalactan (Larix), an immune-enhancing polysaccharide; and Astragalus Supreme."

Dr. Cowden also notes that "if you use a pharmaceutical antibiotic, you need to use an herbal antifungal to reduce stress on the liver and kidneys."


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LIFESTYLE CHANGES

Dr. Cowden advises:

"Avoid sugars because they feed these bugs,

It is most important to balance saliva pH between 6.7 and 70. Sufficient dietary minerals bring pH up if low.

Reducing stress will raise pH; so will identifying and removing food, nutrient and inhalant allergies.

You should identify your metabolic type and then follow the appropriate diet.

Grapefruit seed extract and certain other substances, including vitamin C, can interfere with tissue uptake of the antibiotics and make them less effective.

Take as few non-essential supplements as possible - consult with a physician knowledgeable about nutrition - and time them as far from the antibiotic as possible."
Dr. Bock reminds us that, "It's also important to support the endocrine system. In some cases, cognitive abilities improved when subclinical hypothyroid problems were treated. Chronic stress can cause suppression of the immune system. Manage the effects of stress on the body: Use relaxation techniques and biofeedback. Find a group for emotional support."
In his practice, Dr. Jones has found that, "Taking acidophilus and other probiotics is always important.

[Antibiotics kill the intestinal flora necessary for digestion and immune functions; probiotics like lactobacillus re-inoculate the intestines.]

Stay away from or severely limit alcohol intake. Develop a healthier standard of living. Rest is needed. We've found that a parent who has a child with Lyme is often feeling guilty. One has to work with these difficult feelings. I emphasize that it's not a parent's fault; you can't protect your child from Lyme exposure."


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PRESENT LIMITATIONS

None of the experts the authors consulted claimed to completely understand Lyme or to be able to completely cure it in every case.

Some people infected with Bb may never manifest the symptoms of Lyme. Others become seriously ill soon after they are infected.

Treatment must be customized from patient to patient and can vary widely. "Certain people may clear Lyme without antibiotic therapy," says Dr. Barkley. "However; the other extreme is that even with antibiotics, some people with Lyme have died from this disease."

Says Dr. Jones, "We have seen children from one day old to 18 years of age who have required from three months to six years of antibiotic therapy. We have had some patients on antibiotic therapy for very long periods, and we've done follow-ups for as long as 15 years post treatment. The criterion for stopping therapy is that one must be totally Lyme disease - symptom free for two months, with no Lyme flare induced by another infection or menses and no 'Herx' [Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction of the body manifesting symptoms in response to dying Bb]."

The situation is quite difficult now. "It's sad where we are with this disease," says Dr. Cowden. "You're supposed to go through the 'standard' treatment first before turning to alternative treatments. We need to turn this around, into a logical, integrated approach."

The impetus for this change must come not only from the patients who have been classically infected by a tick bite, but by those who suffer from "unexplained" muscle and joint pain, unrelieved fatigue and cognitive impairment-and by those who are afflicted with degenerative diseases that can be caused or aggravated by Lyme.

Presently, such patients will find few doctors experienced in Lyme, because of the newness of the disease and lack of understanding about it, and because those doctors who take a comprehensive approach to diagnosing and treating Lyme are commonly harassed by state medical boards, insurance companies and HMOs.

It is up to patients to actually educate their doctors about the inadequacy of standard testing and the necessity for using techniques such as electrodermal screening and darkfield microscopy.

And it is up to patients to become politically involved with Lyme advocacy groups, such as those listed here, to fight for their right to proper medical care.

The earlier Lyme is diagnosed, the easier it is to cure.

For people with chronic Lyme symptoms, the road to recovery can be long. With comprehensive integrative treatment, however, a combination of the best of conventional and alternative medicine protocols, their health can be continually and dramatically improved.

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There are opinions that it can be passed sexually, but this has not been scientifically proven. I wouldn't doubt it though!
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I've been told by a reputable source that it can. There are lots of discussions at lymenet about that. You can do a search and read others opinions.

http://www.canlyme.com/sex.html
RECOVERY OF LYME SPIROCHETES BY PCR IN SEMEN SAMPLES OF PREVIOUSLY DIAGNOSED LYME DISEASE PATIENTS

Couples can also be infected at the same time due to exposure by infected ticks.

Seems like a good idea to have her evaluated by an LLMD.

Terry

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curley911

thank you for a very informative post.

really makes very good sense from all those Docs have to say,
and seems this is a Major Disease which needs to be addressed properly and much more reasearch and awareness needs to be done.

a darn shame that our government is still in denial.

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the short answer, yes. absolutely.

shyphilis can be transmitted sexually, why not other neuro degenerative spirochital illnesses?

the obvious answer is yes.

get her on abx asap. 400mg doxy day for 3 months min.

be sure she uses probiotics opposite the abx.

shell be fine

derek

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