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I ahve pretty bad EMF sensitivity. I noticed this happeneing when I first got sick while sitting at the computer trying to figure out WHY I was sick... All my symptoms would get worse.. It got so bad that just walking by the computer room or even stepping into it for a second caused my symptoms to worsen and almost passing out.
I did not know WHAT was going on as I had never had this probelm before..
So as I am looking into RIFE machines I am wondering if it is wise to use one because of the EMF's... If you have EMF sensitivity is it safe or even wise to use one?
And do EMF's get better?? I hate having this as it really makes me very sick.
Thank you
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Unexpected, I'm also concerned about the EMF's. I also have this sensitivity. I found this link about EMF sensitivity from Bryan Rosner. I hope this helps(if you scroll down you'll see the part about the part where he talks about EMF Sensivitity) http://www.lymebook.com/electromagnetic-field-sensitivity-emf
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I noticed when I used a friend's rife that my noise sensitivity and tinnitus felt worse for a couple of days everytime I rifed (I only tried it 3-4 times) and wonder if this is normal when using a rife and does it improve?
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I'm with Bryan Rosner in the opinion that those with EMF sensitivity have an "infection" that is "responding" to electromagnetic frequencies.
It's not so much that your BODY is reacting to EMF, but the Lyme is reacting to it, which in turn causes exaggerated symptoms.
Anything that aggravates Lyme causes an increase in symptoms, wether it's herbs, abx, and yes, in my opinion, rife.
Shandy I bought a rife machine from Dan Tracy in N.Y. about 5 months ago. He builds them at cost (very cheap) and ships them with tons of info. He's a sweet elderly man and you can call him anytime if you have questions and he gladly answers them.
His wife almost died from Lyme - she could not tolerate abx - and he built her a machine. It cured her. He now builds them for whoever needs them and he strongly believes he's doing Gods work. I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to talk to him and hear his story.
My experience with rife? I honestly believe it has saved my butt. My brain fog is almost non-existent. My energy is better, my muscle twitches are gone and a host of other things. I credit the machine to this because 2 years of abx prior and I still had these symptoms daily.
I've continued with abx and anti-malarials while rifing. Some people say don't do this and some say it's okay. I think it's a personal choice, based on what's working for YOU.
I know you aren't big on abx, but just sayin I think herbs and rife would be a good choice too.
I know you're searching for soemthing that will work for you and maybe this could be it? I definately say go for it. TuTu and a few others on here credit there remission/cure to rife.
PM me if you'd like Mr. Tracy's number.
Lauren
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Getting NAET for the EMF has been helpful for some.
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If you have problems with EMF's, it is probably that you also are holding heavy metals in your system. Most people do. Several years ago, when Dan first made the machine and Doug made his machine, the EMF problem was very minor. Now it is difficult to avoid. We have microwave towers everywhere..... da da da.
It will get better as you detox heavy metals. Dr. K. always tried to avoid any machine that uses household current for that very reason. The KMT used to run on batteries.
With everyone of these currency instruments, you may be affecting the infections, but in doing so you are also moving heavy metals. And that is one of the reasons why some people have a problem with rifing, etc., no matter which instrument.
The benefit in the KMT is the built-in frequencies for the lymph drainage helping to get rid of the die-off.
Today we can have the benefit of the Bionic, which is much less painful and so easy to use. The problem is the availability and the cost. I used all the frequency instruments for years and they were helpful. But they were only part of my cure. I did a hundred other therapies to get well. My major hurdle was my "crowned mouth" and root canals. As soon as I got rid of that junk which was installed in my mouth by braindead dentists, I was off and running.
The metals in your mouth not only resonate with each other, they also start to resonate with the incoming frequencies from these instruments -
So you need to be very aware and make sure you take a lot of binders to get the loose metals out of your body as quickly as possible and avoid their vagabonding around your body finding other places to settle. They are neurotoxins and feel the same as all other neurotoxins.
Take care.
P.S. In my and my son's experience, NAET does not last. In fact, when I was treated with it, I gained a brain fog that I never had before NAET. NAET spread the metals and neurotoxins throughout my body and they really made it into the brain. I love Debbie N., I was treated by her personally for many weeks. That was almost ten years ago. I still had major allergies at the DNA level until I started to recently do the AI test and therapy. The same with my son.
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So GiGi do you think if the metals were gone and the neurotoxins were greatly reduced or gone then the NAET might work ?
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SO now HOW do I get rid of metals?? I am on cholestyramine, would that help with metals??
Lauren, I will PM you... Thanks!!
Brite- you have EMF too... Does it happen on the computer??
Gigi-- Does AI get the metals out? and can you be on treatment with herbs while doing AI?
Thank you, this is all very good information
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Thanks Gigi and Lymelauren and Massman for the valuable info.
Shandy- Great questions for Gigi. I was thinking of asking the same questions about the AI drops. Yup I do have EMF issues especailly feel it with the monitor of the computer. How about you? I don't know if you still have mercury fillings but I do and planning on getting them out.
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Have recently been using Waiora Zeolite for heavy metals and in 2 months have had good results. Muscle pain reduced about 90%, clearer thinking about 50% of the time, sometimes I actually feel human.
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I have NO metal at all in my mouth, so I have no clue where I would be getting metals from??
Actually every doctor I have seen (MANY) have no clue what the hell is wrong with me, because my symptoms are very different the majority of thier patients.... I feel like a walking mystery.. I just cannot seem to find the answer or solution... but I will NOT give up.
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Massman, I have the waiora zeolite drops. How much do you use a day to get your results?
Shandy-I know how you feel about feeling like a medical mystery. It's possible to be exposed to mercury and heavy metals in other ways from the food we eat and the environmental toxins and I think I remember some celebrity being hosptitalized for mercury toxcity because of a mixture of Chinese herbs and eating raw sushi?
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Has anyone heard or tried the EM+6 or 8? It appears that this machine does not use RF carrier waves and I'm assuming that this may be beenfical for those who are sensitive to EMFs. It's all a bit overwhelming and technical info for me so I'm not sure if I'm understanding it correctly. Has anyone with Lyme tried this machine?
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up for question about the EM+ I am so lost as to which rife to get and I have senstivity to EMFs. Money is an issue for me because I am unable to work. I was considering a Doug Coil or an EMEM but I'm still nervous about the EMFs. I stumbled across this EM+ machine but I'd like to know if anyone with Lyme have used this and had improved? See the above links above in the prior post.
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EMF is referring to an electromagnetic field. This is probably only part of the problem. The frequencies themselves, even without the magnetic field may bother some people.
Bruce Stenulson's EM devices do not use an RF carrier frequency, but they do use an induced magnetic field for penetration. This would probably affect you as well.
This sensitivity usually goes away as the Lyme bacterial load is reduced. In another words, the Lyme is causing the sensitivity. So in order to be rid of the sensitivity you have o reduce the bacterial load by some means. It does not make the frequencies any more or less harmful, but it does make it uncomfortable.
I would spend a few hundred on an EMEM if you are going to buy one. No point in buying something for more in case it gets intolerable to use.
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I too was EMF sensitive for many years. I found as I continued rifing and lessening my bacteria load that I'm no longer EMF sensitive.
I also believe it was actually the bad guys responding to freqs, whether it was a microwave, cordless phone, computer or my rife machine.
I still feel the bad guys running when I use my rife machine. There just doesn't seem to be as many of them. AHA, gotta guys. Sorry about their luck.
Pam
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How do you feel the rife has helped you?? Have you seen many improvements using it??
WOuld you mind sharing your expereice?
Thank you
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Pam, which rife have you been using?
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I was dx early on (soon to be 10 yrs)and was on some type abx or another for 3 yrs. It wasn't working, in fact they failed me period.
I decided to cold turkey abx and started using a rife machine. It was not an easy road. Tough, tough, tough for about 1-2 yrs.
Then one day I had a few hours of feeling better, then bam back down. Then one day was 1/2 day feeling good. Bam, down again.
I don't claim rife has cured the lyme, it's just knocked the bacteria load down enough, that it only occasionly controls me during some of it's cycles (herx). I've learned my limits on what I can do, can't do.
I've made real progress from where I was. I was dying a young (IMO 45 yrs) long death 6 yrs ago.
What I can't seem to get the upper hand on is what I believe to be bart related, possibly a type RMSF and maybe even a babs infection???
I'm still working with rife. I did try levaquin 2 -30 day period in the last 9 mths for bart, that had taken it damage to my GI.
I've used my rife for a very long lists of bacteria including strep, staph, malaria, etc etc. Many of these protocols helped.
I'm not saying I had all these bacteria. The rife freqs were helpful in my treatment. I do have a staph infection in my body that pops it's ugly head in many different areas of my body.
I rife it until it goes into hiding again. The next time it raises it's ugly head, I'm going to have it cultured/tested to see if(?) a lab to identify.
I've done a long lists of alternative things also in the last several years. So I don't claim rife has done it all.
I no longer feel I'm dying a slow death. I'm fighting it daily.
Pam
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What symptoms do you have from the staph infection, Pam?
I got staph when I was 1 year old. It may still be in my body, though. I was just curious as to what symptoms you are having that make you feel it's staph.
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I have a Rife machine and am also extremely EMF sensitive. Before I was aware of this sensitivity, I tried rifing and seemed to react to every setting, so needless to say, I stopped.
I agree with the poster who suggested that EMF sensitivity amounts to an infection and/or metal responding to the electromagnetic radiation, BUT I disagree that antibiotics are the cure. And if you are living and sleeping in a high EMF area, detoxing metals is next to impossible.
Also, I have serious trouble with the assumption that if a person is able to feel EMFs, the EMFs are good for them and are automatically killing microorganisms, and only bad ones at that.
It's possible that these exposures are killing off good microorganisms, too, or causing bad ones to grow out of control.
But it seems that everybody on the forum here has chronic Lyme, chronic bartonella, chronic babesia - can they ALL be chronic? or are we making them chronic with our EMFs? I truthfully do not believe that the spirochete that causes Lyme is special, advanced, devious, sly, out to get us, none of these things.
But I have strong suspicions that chronic Lyme is a byproduct of the wireless boom. Many here became ill in the mid-90's, when Section 704 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 went into effect, which took away the rights of state and local governments to stop the erection of cell towers and wireless antennas in their communities based on "environmental" grounds (defined by FCC as "human health").
I've been reading up on the EMF connection ever since. Did you realize that some types of bacteria and viruses have spiral and helical shapes similar to cell phone towers/antennas?
An antenna is used to transmit and receive electromagnetic energy typically in the form of radio frequencies upon which have been modulated telephony and data communications.
***Helical antennas are widely used in mobile stations.***
A helical antenna is an antenna in which copper lines are helically wound on a core made of an insulative material, thereby enabling the size of the antenna to be reduced. The performance of the helical antenna greatly affects the performance of the mobile station.
A mobile phone has a helical antenna formed in an outward protrusion and a whip antenna. When the whip antenna is contained in the mobile terminal, the helical antenna is operational, and when the whip antenna is extended, the whip antenna is operational. Helical antennas are widely used in portable communication devices, such as cellular phones, because of their wideband characteristics and the advantage of requiring less space. A helical antenna comprises one or more elongated conductive elements wound in the form of a screw thread to form a helix. The helical antenna has a spiral configuration which protrudes from a top of the terminal and has an advantage in that it can communicate regardless of the orientation of the terminal.
The performance of such an antenna depends on the shapes of the terminals on which it is mounted and a matching circuit is provided between the antenna and a duplex in order to compensate the difference in performance.
Sorry, but I have trouble believing that this is mere coincidence.
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I'm not trying to be a devil's advocate... I don't think EMFs are good for people, either.
It's just that spirochetes have been around for a very long time. Thousands or millions of years if I recall correctly. Lyme (as we consider it - not Borreliosis) was first discovered in CT in the 1970s. So, it pre-dates 1996.
I do think electricity is a very good thing. Just like fire - it has it's pros & cons. I wouldn't want to live without it. If you are sensitive, you have to take precautions.
Some people sleep in faraday cages or use shielded paint in their homes. I don't think these are bad ideas. It's just not my #1 priority right now.
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True, borreliosis has been around since the 70's, probably before that, but chronic Lyme didn't really exist until the wireless boom.
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This is very interesting seeing as I never had any kind of EMF sensitivity until I got sick... This is something I need to look into. Really great articles Blaze.
I don't know if that is the only reason... I mean the government did make this... right!
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As Gigi has always said "this is a very toxic world we live in today". That goes from EMF exposure right down to the very food/metal we/they shove in our mouths today.
Pam
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sparkle7, I believe these outward sx started about 2-3 yrs ago. I've had serious infections that pop up on my eyes, nostrils, sinus area, ears, and skin.
The skin outbreaks have been on the tops of one or both feet and also one or both elbows. Also my hands will become seriously inflamed from all my little nicks and cuts.
Even my hang nails at these episodes will be so infected and sore that it takes tons of peroxide and rife treatments to calm them down.
Abx like biaxin would only chase it around. I would have festering sores in one side of nostril or both. I'd clear that up and then my ear(s) would be infected down into my nodes.
It has to be some kind of staph, due to the many times that I've sent it into hidding with my rife machine running known staph freqs.
I've not had an skin outbreak since spring when I did a 30 day levaquin for my GI issues???? I just now realized that? Huh?
I've had the ear(s) bother me acouple times and used my rife. But it hasn't popped up anywhere else?
But this fall when I tried doing another 30 levaquin for my GI... I suddenly developed pain in my chest that would radiate to my neck, shoulder and arms.
I've just been wondering who this bad guy is that has been stirred up since then.
The puzzle(s) never seem to get solved. One thing or another. When I read from others on here, I realized I'm not crazy just lymed & co. lol
Pam
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My EMF capacity was getting worse before minocin. Now better. So I think it has soemthing to do with the bugs at least in some way and at least partially. I read somewhere that the EMF cause the bugs to release more toxins. ??
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