quote: In Lyme Disease, hyper-coagulation (overly thick blood) is a common problem due to circulating debris resulting from the infection. This can cause symptoms such as poor oxygenation, poor circulation, fatigue, stiffness, muscle soreness, joint pain, diminished blood flow to the brain and associated neurological symptoms. Systemic plant and pancreatic enzymes can reduce the thickness of the blood and resolve these symptoms.
Reduce herx reactions and Inflammation and eats spirochetes
quote: When high potency therapeutic enzymes are taken away from meals they circulate throughout the blood stream and digest the various stages of the Spirochete. Systemic enzymes have an anti-inflammatory effect and this reduces the need for anti-inflammatory medications that have serious side effects.
Got to read the full article. Very good information here for many people here that I have been reading about ..
quote: In Lyme Disease, hyper-coagulation (overly thick blood) is a common problem due to circulating debris resulting from the infection. This can cause symptoms such as poor oxygenation, poor circulation, fatigue, stiffness, muscle soreness, joint pain, diminished blood flow to the brain and associated neurological symptoms. Systemic plant and pancreatic enzymes can reduce the thickness of the blood and resolve these symptoms.
This is a really huge statement to make and there is no data or reasoning in the article to lend it any support.
First issue - blood "thickness" is really viscosity, not clotting tendency. Hematocrit and plasma volume are not necessarily related to clotting factors.
Circulating debris from the infection - how is this measured? If we could measure this directly we would not need to be interpreting Western Blots. This leads to the statement "This can cause symptoms" - this implies that there is a direct, causal relationship between "debris" and symptoms, and this is the part I have the hardest time with.
Causality is difficult to prove under the best of conditions, and just making an assertion like that is questionable.
I am not saying that supplementation with certain foods, herbs, etc is not helpful - they can be, but there is a large difference between claiming that supplementation helps and claiming that they act in a specific, causal fashion.
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Abxnomore
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Good article and very true. Alternative doctors
have known this for years. When we have Lyme or
viruses such as Epstein Bar, Herpes, etc., the
blood cells actually change shape. They
become elongated and clump together,
referred to as sticky blood. Enzymes work very
well. Some alternative doctors inject small
doses of heparin into to the fatty areas of the
body to help get the blood moving better. Some
good products are Nattokinese, wobenzyme, and
Neprinol. Neprinol was developed by a person
affiliated with wobenzyme
and is a combination of wobenzyme and nattokinese.
They are expensive supplements but very effective.
Wobenzyme must be taken on an empty stomach or
else it will act as a digestive enzyme and it's
much too expensive to be used that way.
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I wish I could get a doctor to inject the heparin...I feel like this would help me sooo much!
The FFC determined that I do have the sticky blood thing, so I wonder if I could get them to do it??
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Abxnomore
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Even if you can't find a doc to do the heparin, the
above supplements work very well. Google Neprinol,
there have been studies on it and it has helped me
a great deal. I also did the heparin and I find
that the Neprinol is working just as well.
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MariaA
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I couldn't get heparin when I seemed to have this problem (as seen when drawing blood- I never got a HEMEX test done) and I went to cheap systemic enzymes. I'm pretty sure that they helped relieve some of my Lyme symptoms and brainfog. I used Rejuvenzyme (from iherb or vitacost or somewhere) and a generic version of nattokinase from the same place. There's also another one I've been using lately, supposedly for systemic use: http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-FlavenZym-The-Ultimate-Systemic-Enzyme-Formula-90-Enteric-Coated-Tablets
I don't know if the explanation for why they work is correct, but it does seem like it relieves symptoms for some people. Even a supplements doubter like Lymemd.blogspot.com has posted positive results from using it on his patients.
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Hoosiers51
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My current LLMD is pretty sure Lyme, not any of the coinfections, are my main issue right now, though I do test positive for coinfections.
He is basing this on symptoms and a very low CD57 (15).
I just got my Fry smear back, and while most of the cells aren't clumped, a good majority of them are indeed touching another cell. This contrasts with some smears you see from other patients, where not one of the cells is touching another. Some of my cells are also mis-shaped.
This supports the hypothesis that Lyme can cause sticky blood, since my CD57 is and symptoms are pointing to Lyme. Guess what abx helps me the most in terms of creating a "boost" without negative side effects? High dose Amoxicillin.
Guess what else makes me feel good? Wobenzym!
I haven't tried the other enzymes.
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Cass A
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Dear Friends,
I've tried many different enzyme products, including natto, wobenzyme, vitalzyme, neprinol, and rechts-regulat.
Personally, I like Rechts-Regulat the best in terms of lowering viscosity, as I have visually seen the difference in blood flow after using it.
My husband takes vitalzyme every day, and feels it's helping him.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Cass A
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My LLMD tested me for hyper-coagulation with the HEMEX test. That showed that I have high levels of Fibrin (sticky component of blood) which the Lyme bacteria hides in. I have been taking Heparin injections pretty much every day, and will probably do another Hemex test soon to see if Fibrin levels have come down.
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