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Hi everyone! I'm new here and am being treated for lyme by Dr. C in Missouri although I'm still waiting on my Western Blot test to come back.
Before this Lyme thing came up, I had begun to treat my candida problems using the Whole Approach methods. I had just finished phase 1 and was looking forward to continuing through all the phases.
Dr. C said if I wanted to treat the yeast naturally, I could but in his experience it was not effective enough. So, now I'm in a quandry. I just want to do what's best during this treatment.
I have had candida problems for at least 17 years, so this is not a new issue. He feels my yeast must be addressed with both Nystatin and Diflucan.
He seems to know his stuff but, I wonder if he's familiar with the Whole Approach and how it's more successful than many natural routes that people try...
Does anyone have experience with this? Have you either been successful w/natural treatment during abx or been successful w/drugs?
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Lauralyme
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The best would be to adhere to a yeast free diet. You can do a search on some nautural supplements
Some helpful things Olive leaf freeze dried garlic Pau'Darco Apple Cider Vinegar
Yes I can manage yeast without Diflucan/Nystatin just with diet alone while taking ABX
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Geneal
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Sometimes it depends on the antibiotics.
I could do a yeast free diet with doxy and biaxin and not have yeast.
Flagyl, rifampin and augmentin forced me to move to diflucan and nystatin.
Maybe get the Rx's for both...see how it goes using your approach.
Then always have something should the yeast get out of hand.
Hugs,
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Access "Conquer Candida...And Restore Your Immune System" by Dr. Jack Tips. amazon.com should have it.
No yeast free diet forever...carbs feed yeast. Have used Jacks protocols on patients for years with good to great results.
Yeast free to me just complicates things too much and is tough to comply with.
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I don't have much of a problem while i'm taking paud'arco, allimax, oregano oil pill 1xper day,plus other herbals.
Allimax is expensive however, so this weekend i'm seeing if i can keep the yeast down without it. Instead of Allimax i ate 3 or 4 cloves of raw garlic per day, plus the oregano oil pill, the paud'arco extract, and my usual herbals such as Neem, Noni, elecampane, cardamom, cinnamon, propolis, peppermint oil pill, etc.
However, that was not enough, so i also added a spoonful of herbal oregano, the kitchen herb, and that works well enough; not yeast free, but not too bad.
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If you have serious yeast problems as far as I know only Diflucan penetrates thru the intestine to destroy the roots of candida. Just like dandelions
in your grass if you don't get the whole route out
you will never be rid of them. Same with yeast.
All the other things mentioned are great, but not initially, until the roots are killed.
You of course must follow a yeast free diet and replenish beneficial bacteria.
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Thank you all so far for your replies. I have already been on the diet for four months and definitely cannot control my yeast with diet alone--no way.
The problem with throwing a bunch of different yeast killers at your yeast all at the same time, at least the way I understand it, is that the yeast develops resistance to them and they are no longer effective.
I cannot afford for that to happen as I have such a major problem with yeast already, before abx.
Massman, thanks for the book recommendation. You say you have been treating patients w/Dr.Tips protocols for years--are you a doctor?
What did you mean when you said "Yeast free to me just complicates things too much and is tough to comply with"?
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It's a bit technical, but does include some very interesting ideas about treating candida. It also mentions Mycopryl (cal, mag and coconut oil) which is effective in getting to candida (and other beasties) in the small intestine.
Another product I've not tried, mentioned in another candida topic is a product called "Candida Clear" from Now Foods. It looks pretty good.
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I think I'm having less of a problem since adding Olive Leaf Extract from Seagate to my daily supplements.
I follow the candida diet as much as possible.
I take 4 caps of high quality refrigerated probiotics daily in 2 doses, at least 2 hrs after a meal.
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1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
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I tried the natural approach, and it didn't help me at all.
The only thing that helped me was diflucan. Now I am at odds because I am on Biaxin and you can't take biaxin and diflucan. So, I ordered some strong probiotics, but I am definately worried.
When I went the natural route, I quit all sugar, caffiene, and carbs. I took yeast herbs my natural doctor suggested. On an empty stomach, just like suggested, with strong probiotics.
No good, because when the took blood and stool samples, I had yeast everywhere....
If you ask me, it is as tough to fight yeast as it is lyme..........
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DIET, DIET, DIET is the key. Then, be sure to follow the 5 step plan outlined below. It was developed by my naturopath. It works.
"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."
Five Steps to Candida Elimination:
1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.
2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]
3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]
4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]
5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]
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Thanks Lymetoo & Need Lots of Help! I suspect this would be the case with me, too. I just wanted so bad to do this thing for real, naturally if I could.
If I didn't already have a major case with yeast, maybe it would work with the abx. I guess you guys haven't had any trouble with the Diflucan and Nystatin.
Lymetoo, do you also see Dr.C in Missouri? Did he recommend this to you as well?
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