kreynolds
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To all:
I have been taking Coreg for Tacchardia(fast pulse/heartbeat).
My main beverage of choice is green tea with ginseng.
I have been on Coreg for 3 months now and have been drinking green tea with ginseng for 3 years.
I just now found out from the pharmacy that I must stop drinking it immediatly.
I asked them why, but they did not know. I don't like water and I dont drink soda.
The pharmacy will not tell me why I must stop drinking it.
Any Clue?
Thanks!
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kreynolds
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No one??
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Keebler
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It's the Ginseng.
It can be very stimulating and increase heart rate and, in some, cause irregular rhythm. Ginseng seems to affect those more who have weakened systems. There are many kinds but the only kind of ginseng that is safe for lyme patients would be Siberian Ginseng (which is not a true ginseng). More later on that.
Sometimes, in a balanced formula other types of ginseng may work for lyme patients but that would be best determined by an expert ND who knows the patient, knows lyme and knows how to balance it all just right.
Green Tea, too, can increase heart rate for some people. It does contain caffeine but, even without that, it is stimulating. I can't get near it for it sends me to the moon.
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If you want some gentle adrenal support, SIBERIAN Ginseng is best. It is not a true ginseng and is considered very safe for adrenal support. In normal doses, it is not normally stimulating but it's always best to start very slow and low.
Ashwagandha is a similar herb used for gentle adrenal support.
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You know, you say: " . . .been drinking green tea with ginseng for 3 years. . . ."
Hmmm. Didn't your doctor quiz you about this? My guess is that going off this will do wonders, alone, for your heart rhythm.
And . . . what is your dose of daily magnesium?
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There are dozens and hundreds of other teas that you will be able to enjoy.
You might see if you can find Yogi Tea Hibiscus Paradise for starters.
Abxnomore
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All good info above for you to take in. I take 600mg of mag glycinate daily and 2cc of mag sulfate in my intra muscular shots bi- weekly that also contain B complex and B12.
You could probably start out with 600mg of mag on an empty stomach as you are probably very deficient and work your way up until you get loose stools.
When you do, cut back a bit until you don't and that will generally be what your body requires. Do not use mag oxide, as it will give you diarrhea. According to my doctor, mag glycinate id the best absorbed.
However, supplements are not to be taken in an ad hock fashion.
You should have an ND or a doctor who understands this stuff who can design a protocol that is right for you. Some supplements work synergistically with each other and lyme patients have special nutritional needs.
You want a good quality brand. Supplements are unregulated and when you buy a cheap brand you have not way of knowing how much of the active ingredient is actually in the product and how much junk and filler are in it. First
tier brands that are sold to alternative doctors, such as Pure Encapsulations, Metagenics, Thorne, Douglas, Allergy research Group, Life Extension, Phyto Pharmica, Standard Process to name a few are
tested to ensure that they meet quality standards by the manufacturer. If they don't they are rejected and sold to lesser quality companies.
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kreynolds
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I am going to start taking Magnesium glycinate as I just looked at the script my doc wrote.
Thanks for the links all my vitamins and minerals are from Source Naturals...
Thanks for all the links, I didn't even realize I had the script from yesterday!
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sparkle7
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Someone told me that if you dunk the green tea bag into boiling water first for a few minutes, then remove it & use if for your tea - it removes the caffeine.
You can also get decafe green tea.
I think green tea is great... I wouldn't want to have to stop drinking it.
You can probably avoid the ginseng fairly easily.
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Abxnomore
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That's true about dipping the tea bag in water and throwing the water away and making tea with that tea bag will remove most of the caffeine.
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kreynolds
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sparkle7:
Thanks for that info... I will try it out for sure! I wont't stop drinking Green Tea Now!!!
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Vermont_Lymie
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I drink decaf green tea; there are lots of brands out there for this and I recommend it. This is really great too!
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kreynolds
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Vermont_Lymie:
What brand of Green tea do you drink f you don't mind me asking?
By the way I love Vermont...
Planning on moving there. My grandmother lives in Calais right outside of Montpelier.
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Abxnomore
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Make sure to get a naturally decaffeinated one. Not one that uses chemicals to remove the caffeine.
Read the box for the method used. You may have better results at a health food store.
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Ginsengs belong the the alternative medical category called "adaptogens."
In theory, they enter the system and seek out what is wrong and address the problem.
For instance, if blood pressure is high or low, the ginseng will adapt accordingly and balance.
These properties make it difficult to conduct studies on adaptogens.
Just too many variables with compounds and test subjects.
Which makes it hard for me to fully endorse the idea that eleuthero (siberian) is the only ginseng safe for lymies. Some of the studies give cause for concern, however.
Most ginseng drinks have very little ginseng in them. If it's there, it should be quite tastable.
This is true with the better ones, although most of the teas and drinks capsules and supplements use very low quality and non-standardized ginseng to begin with.
Some green teas contain more caffeine than black. Pre-steeping the tea won't remove all the caffeine.
kreynolds
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Thanks for all replies... I think I'll go to my health food store and get the decaffeinated one.
I always thought green tea was excellent for you as an anti-oxidant...
I have been drinking it for so long that if I stop I'll go into shock!! LOL!
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Quest: + IGM Bands 23,39
Quest: + Bartonella (B.Henselea & B. Quintana),+ Babesia, and + Mycoplasma and Lyme-Induced Addisons Disease
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sparkle7
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I like Good Earth Organic Jasmine Blossom Green Tea... It really nice with the Jasmine!
There are many good brands... There are also many studies about the benefits of green tea.
We have one from Japan that is all in Japanese characters that's amazing. There's really a difference but I don't know where to get the very fine quality teas here. I think they keep the really good ones in Japan for themselves.
I agree that there's probably very little real ginseng in a tea bag. It's expensive & the good quality ginseng is usually sold by itself.
Best to avoid it if it's potentially problematic.
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kreynolds
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sparkle7:
I have tried the Good Earth Jasmine Blossom Green Tea.. It was really good!
Maybe I'll switch to that! Thanks for the reply!
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Quest: + IGM Bands 23,39
Quest: + Bartonella (B.Henselea & B. Quintana),+ Babesia, and + Mycoplasma and Lyme-Induced Addisons Disease
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