Topic: ever heard of an allergy to the herbicide 2,4-D??
charlie
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...Yikes...the neighbor oversprayed it into our yard and I thought I was going to have to go to the ER. couldn't breathe and all, that's why I've been MIA here and on the chatroom for 2 weeks.
I thought it was oak pollen but never had a reaction like that.
It also killed the fig tree, tomato plants, all that...yep I reported it to the TX DOA...wheels set in motion I can't undo...somebody's going to lose their license to spray Ag chems.
too bad...anybody heard of a reaction to 2,4-D or Grazon like that??
at least it didn't trigger a relapse so some good news...
Charlie
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Keebler
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No one should be around stuff like this. I would not call a reaction to poison an allergy.
Sorry to hear this happened to you. It's just the tip of the proverbial iceberg with the toxins that are legal.
Be sure your liver support is steady and drink lots of water if you do not have a water supply that this stuff has seeped into.
charlie
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They use the stuff to kill broadleaf weeds in the hayfield...If done right it just does the job and becomes inert quickly...if done carelessly it blows around and kills stuff you don't want dead.
This was a problem with inept handling of chemicals, and if the stuff can make fig tree leaves wad up like a clenched fist it can't be good inhaled.
Charlie
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i was wondering where you were, i figured when that farting thread didn't smoke you out, something must be wrong!
liver detox, yes (lots of fresh lemon in hot water is good to start).
i'll try and look up the chemical(s). not sure if it would metabolize through kidneys as well. lungs too.
yikes. i hope you clear this soon, poor thing!! did you see a doctor about it?
back later --
mo
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tried to bold what may be of interest. sounds as tho you can flush this out. it moves through lungs, liver, blood, kidneys.
i found a good all in one detox elixir i was looking at myself recently, looks pretty good. i'll paste it here when i find it, if it interests you.
sounds like you got a strong dose of this stuff on account of mishandling! you can clear most of it from your system, but at the bottom you'll see it says it can stay in the soil quite a while.
mo
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HEALTH HAZARD PROFILES
COMMON NAME: 2,4-D CHEMICAL NAME: (2,4-dichlorophenoxy) acetic acid
TRADE OR OTHER NAMES: There are many forms or derivatives (esters, amines, salts) of 2,4-D. Products containing 2,4-D include Weedtrine-II, Aqua-Kleen, Barrage, Plantgard, Lawn-Keep, Planotox and Malerbane.
USES: 2,4-D is used to control many types of broadleaf weeds. This compound is used in cul- tivated agriculture and in pasture and rangeland applications, forest management, home and gar- den situations and for the control of aquatic vegetation.
ACUTE TOXICITY: While laboratory tests suggests that it is only moderately toxic, it has produced serious eye and skin irritation among agricultural workers, causing it to be considered highly toxic.
SYMPTOMS: In humans, prolonged breathing of 2,4-D causes coughing, burning, dizziness, and temporary loss of muscle coordination.
Symptoms of poisoning include: fatigue and weakness with nausea. On rare occasions there can be inflammation of the nerve endings with muscular effects following high levels of expo- sure.
CHRONIC TOXICITY: Routine ingestion over long period of time may result in stupor, signs of incoordination, weak reflexes, and uri- nary incontinence.
Reproductive Effects- There is sufficient evi- dence to suspect that 2,4-D may be capable of causing reproductive problems.
Teratogenic Effects- 2,4-D has a very limited ability to cause birth defects consisting of skeletal abnormalities. Up to 20% of 2,4-D absorbed passes through the placenta in animal studies.
Mutagenic Effects- 2,4-D has been very ex- tensively tested for mutagenicity, however the evidence is too equivocal to draw any firm con- clusions.
Carcinogenic Effects- Possible human car- cinogen. Some evidence suggest an association of 2,4-D exposure with cancer, specifically non- Hodgkin's lymphoma.
Target Organ(s)- Liver, blood
Fate in Humans and Animals- The absorption of the herbicide is almost complete in mammals after ingestion and nearly all of a dose is excreted unchanged in the urine.
The compound is readily absorbed through the skin and lungs also. The half-life is between 10 and 20 hours in living organisms. There is little evidence to suggest that the compound accumulates to any significant level. Peak concentrations of 2,4- D were found in the blood, liver, kidney, lungs and spleen with lower levels in muscle and brain between six and eight hours after exposure. Af- ter 24 hours there were no detectable tissue resi- dues.
No Observed Affect Level- 1 mg/kg (rats)
Biopersistence- Half-life in soils is 2-16 days, depending on conditions
(which means you might still be picking this up from the field or water, ect??)
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charlie
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Thanks, Mo, Keeb,....no I didn't go to a doctor, I'd be made sicker by sitting in a waiting room for hours only to find out I know more than the duck.
Interestingly I found in an old RX book from the 1980s waaaay preceding the Shoemaker protocol that Questran (CSM) was often given for pesticide poisoning back then.
I may try that since I have a couple weeks worth even though I'm dealing with a herbicide not a pesticide.
I just got an email from Maddog noting that he had to go to the ER once from inhaling 2,4-D....OK I'm onto something now.
I hate to be a gripy neighbor but this is over the top when a hobby farmer can make people sick. The Dept of Ag people will be here in the morning.
Charlie Posts: 2804 | From Texas | Registered: Oct 2000
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And to think that we all basically ingest herbicides since they have stuff GMO'd and then spray the crops with herbicide.
We eat it daily.
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just don
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I am NOT surprised. It CAN happen quite easily from the right conditions(heat and humidity) 2-4-D will 'walk' thru the night,Light breeze is worst. Heavy hanging humidty causes it to walk.
IF its Grazon the soil WILL hold that for a long time,,depending on if that was spray contact or just wind drift fumes.
It will kill trees deader than a doornail on small amounts!!! 2-4-D will too under right conditions,but big trees usually recover unless drowned!!
I used to get literally drowned in that stuff,,,was always told I was just a wuss. Went from open tractor to one with a cab,,,getting sick was getting real old!!(this was active spraying where the wind carried it back OVER THE TOP of me!!
Where I live Banvel(which is a form of these things) cant be used after a certain date,,,bout June 1 I think because of walk concerns.
To prove how this stuff can walk on its own,,,a neighbor sprayed his farm with a little spray,,it walked on over 1/2 mile to a organic farmers orchard and killed his apple trees. He wasnt too happy on that one either.
Hope you feel better soon tho!! Take care and read up on the detox things that can help!!
Find out EXACTLY what was used and how much and report back,,,interested on what they find!!!(they HAVE to keep records of that) Was this ground applied or airplane flown on??
-------------------- just don Posts: 4548 | From Middle of midwest | Registered: May 2001
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I echo what Keebler said -- it's not an allergy. You've been poisoned.
My neighbor put down herbicide and chemical fertilizer pellets (which included 2,4D) two years ago -- right before I got Lyme, and I had migraines, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, disorientation, trouble breathing, and other things I can't think of at the moment.
Just to have my windows open or to go past their house would make me severely ill.
Also, herbicides are a form of pesticide. Pesticide is the general term for any poison used to kill a pest, when flora or fauna. Pesticides can be broken down into herbicide, rodenticide, fungicide, and insecticide, to name a few.
If you want more info on the danger of 2,4D to give to your neighbor, feel free to PM me. I collected a great deal to give to my neighbor, focusing especially on its health effects on children and dogs, since they have both.
If you are able to do coffee enemas and take loads of buffered Vitamin C and much water, water, water, that might help you detox.
Best, Sharon
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