I know about the 41 band but not about the others. Are those kind of levels consistent with Lyme?
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I have low lymph and high hemoglobin.
This is why Dr.s think nothing is wrong with the LYMIE. And we stay sick so long.
If they do a sed rate they will find it usually below 5 and low vitamin D. and Low protein.
Which means the Lyme is being deceptive.
I assume you are being treated with antibiotics so if this was not produced by being off them for at least 10 days it is what it is.
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Mayo Laboratories in Mass I believe. It prompted me to find an LLMD and thus the results above.
It will be two to three weeks for the conclusive western blot to come back from Stony Brook.
I was just hoping the results above could tell me something.
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Hi Rebecky,
I think you should get tested for Lyme with Igenex. Their tests are much more sensitive and will be able to pick up more bands for Lyme potentially.
I asked my LLMD about my low Lymphs and Monocytes and he said that the hospital labs aren't that accurate. My brother who we think has Lyme also had low Lymphs and his regular PCP said the same thing. Although he said that if one of the markers is high then the others will appear low because they are based on percentage and must equal 100.
Anyhow, you do have band 41 show up which is indicative of spirochete flagella (and there aren't a lot of spirochetes types). Have you found an LLMD to go to?
.................................... VITAL INFORMATION ON BAND 41!!!!
Posted by Aligondo Bruce:
The number of people exposed is in the millions. The reason you can't get treated is they have decided that only early disease merits diagnosis and treatment. The bacterium itself is the most bizarre human bacterial pathogen known, and is poorly understood.
They don't know how many people are carrying a permanent relapsing brain infection. you can't get diagnosis or treatment because they have to pretend it doesn't exist and use labels like 'post lyme' and 'CFS' etc. for those who manifest illness.
Look at what Steere did in his 1992 study which is the foundation for the CDC serodiagnostic standard. He and others often look back on this and refer to a 'normal' control, but in fact the control was taken from sick people...MS sufferers, CFS sufferers, in sum, conditions which could have been caused or complicated by late Bb infection. Moreover, he threw in 25 syphilitic patients which constituted 20% of the control. Hoever, syphilis itself has an annual US incidence of 3 per 100,000.
This statistical chicanery, which fudged the result at 41 kDa on Bb blot by many multiples, is significant, because syph serum will cross react at 41 kDa to Bb western blots. It allowed them to 'swift boat' the importance of the reaction to 41 kDa, which is the earliest and most consistent human ab response to Bb infection, being present in all stages as opposed to the rest of the proteins which are variably expressed according to stage, tissue type, even temperature.
Flagellin {41kDa} is necessary for Bb to survive under all conditions, and is constantly expressed, including in late CNS infection. Yet they chose to swift-boat this response.
Why? It's for political and economic reasons. telling the truth about diagnosis and treatment results in mass panic and probable economic collapse/political revolution. it's likely a bioweapon. North American disease is different from European disease...lack of CSF antibodies, for instance.
A much larger range of serum resistance to host species in wild{allows Bb to infect a much wider range of species, important in disease spread and maintenance in wild}. The CDC has found that Bb 31 goes intracellular in CNS cells.
Telling the truth threatens the careers and livelihoods of the very individuals who control this issue and who have actively lied and deceived and otherwise operated a scientific propaganda campaign for the past 15+ years, profitting from the campaign as they went.
Lyme disease, which in the US also perhaps includes other pathogens notably a bioweaponized bartonella, threatens the entire establishment. If late disease was rare, we'd be able to get treatment. Unfortunately, the EIS/CDC,DOD totally screwed this up and tried to make money off of the disease, making profitability their first priority as opposed to protecting the health of americans.
Think about this...Allen Steere wouldn't listen to Polly Murray in early 90's when she reported a big incidence of neuropsychiatric disease in lyme. She had to call Fallon. Now, Fallon has overwhelming evidence of a serious disabling relapsing brain condition which is not easily treated.
Global hypoperfusion on spect/pet ain't normal folks. Don't you think the CDC etc. should be breaking their balls trying to figure it out? Instead, we see nothing at all, only continued attempts to deny illness and obstruct treatment.
Obviously, they know what is going on, and have determined that the best course is to do nothing, to cover up, knowing that in doing so, they are condemning large numbers of people to perpetual diagnostic and treatment hell.
Think about it. It's a horrific scandal and I'm not sure how much longer these *******s can keep control of it.
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