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I am going to take off my two canal root teeth, which are frontal teeth.
Any suggestions for REMOVABLE protesis materials or companies? I need, of course, something biocompatible. My lyme doctor is very good in testing materials for each person.
I am not sure what he'll propose. For the back teeth, the best he proposed was a golden removable protesis. I'm glad with it.
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I just had my root canal tooth removed as well. I was planning on getting a traditional bridge. Is that a problem?
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Bridges wouldn't be my choice as they 'eat' the neighbor healthy teeth and after the years, the healthy teeth will get sick too. Besides, they can harbor food under the bridge, not accessible by any tooth brush, so a perfect place for cavities.
I just searched on Flexite. Has anyone tried FLEXITE??
I know someone here told me about Valplast, but somehow it seems not to test good for me. I'm wondering about Flexite. Anyone?
The correct term is 'removable partial' or 'removable partial dentures'.
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They're growing teeth with stem cells so I'm hoping that will be available soon because I'd like to replace my one root canal tooth that bothers me.
Another technology that is supposed to be coming out this year is LIPUS, a pulsed em device that you hook onto your chipped tooth and it regenerates it. I'm not sure if it will regrow a new tooth.
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Hi. I have been very happy with a partial denture made of flexite. I had it made by a holistic dentist. I had 7 root canaled teeth extracted over two years ago, including a front tooth. The denture is over two years old. It was supposed to be temporary but I just didn't have time to go back but I will eventually. I would not allow a bridge because they have to cut into healthy teeth to make it. My denture has two plastic clasps that rest on two teeth to hold it.
You might want to consider going to a dentist for teeth whitening (for your other teeth) before you get a denture made. Then the denture will match the whitest shade that your natural teeth can be. I found a dentist through the Brite Smile website.
The "teeth" in the denture are usually made of nylon. I don't know how biocompatible that is, but I feel that this my denture is not bothering me in any way.
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Hi Kidsatlast! Thanks a lot for your post.
You mentioned though that Flexite was supposed to be temporary?
I thought it was something permanent...
Does the front tooth look fine? Can one see the clasps?
When I see the photos in the flexite homepage, one can barely see that there's anything foreign as they look to blend well with the neighboring teeth.
I don't mind much for the back teeth, but for the frontal one, I'm kind of worried...
How do you clean this partial denture? With a tooth brush or do you need to buy a special product? Does it still look fine after 2 years?
Is it really flexible?
Thanks a lot for any more information and sorry for so many questions. I don't think my lyme doctor knows about Flexite. I'd like to bring the info to him next time I see him. He's the one that follows me on these dental procedures...
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I think that the holistic dentist wanted to wait for a few more months after my dental surgery to make a more permanent partial denture. The reason for waiting is that the bone continues to resorb and reshape itself so it is best to wait a bit so that the denture will fit properly.
If my memory serves me, I think that the dentist would have had the dental lab make the denture out of flexite again, she just wanted to add metal clasps over the corner teeth, but I was happy with the clear flexite clasps as they do not show when I smile.
As for the front tooth (it is #9, it is almost perfect, and the overall cosmetic effect is unbelievably good, no one knows it is a partial denture.
I just have one technical complaint that the nylon "tooth" is not quite tall enough at the top so there is a very slight air gap where it doesn't rest against my gum. This results in a faint black line. If I fill it in with just a little denture cream from behind, the effect is perfect. I just think the shape could be improved upon, and I am kind of a perfectionist. It it were a permanent replacement, I would have said they should do it again.
I broke my front tooth in a bike accident when I was 11 and now I'm 56 so I know, if I complain that the color doesn't match, or whatever, they have to do it over again to get it right. I used to have a crown for many years that was absolutely perfect. It can be done.
Flexite is actually fairly rigid. Another material called Valcyte (they have a website) is super floppy looking. I asked the dentist if she could show me samples of other denture materials to choose from, plus any before and after pictures of her other patients before I decided to let her do the work. Also ask about biocompatibility of the materials.
It's easy to keep the denture clean and fresh. At night I take it out (it's easy to pop out), I brush it briefly with toothpaste, then I put it in a plastic case to wwhich I have added some denture cleaning granules (like Kleenite or Stain Away denture cleanser and water.
Then when I see the dentist for a cleaning I ask to have the denture cleaned in their sonicator which I think must be like a jewelry cleaner. It takes out any subtle stains on the inside seams where the teeth join the flexite framework.
Also, I just want to add that the denture should fit comfortably and should not have pressure points or create sore spots. If so, the dentist can adjust it. I actually did it myself with sandpaper and made it feel much better. But if you do this, don't take off too much or it will be loose.
My denture still looks fine after two years. There is no change in appearance. I got a clear flexite framework, as the gum-colored ones actually have cadmium (a heavy metal that is used as a pigment but is carcinogenic) in them. Cadmium is in cigarette smoke. No one will see the flexite under normal circumstances.
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re: They're growing teeth with stem cells...
That's pretty amazing!
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flexite is injected vinyl. some people are extremely allergic to it cosmetics is any partial is just mediocre at best best replacement is implant or porcelain, or porcelain to gold bridge. why are you removing these front teeth. an apicoectomy can be done to remove the disease tissue at the tips of the root if is has become reinfected. bone graft placed in surgical site.
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I'm doing very well with my Titanium implant - but it's a side tooth. I have a biological dentist so he didn't even consider a root canal for me.
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Kidsatlast!! Many many thanks for the great detailed info!!
I know what you mean by a temporary partial now. I also had to wait a few months until the wound healed to get my 'permanent' partial.
I guess I'd try the Flexite, as if my memory is good, I tested one which I think was Valcyte before and came with a strong negative.
I think Valcyte cannot be brushed as it's too soft. I prefer mechanical cleaning to anything else.
Which lab made yours? Could you send me a PM?
My golden partial just fits perfect. No problem since day one. The problem are these clasps, too big, too shiny for frontal teeth.
The Swiss are amazing technicians. I would use them again, if possible, but I don't know if they work with Flexite. I will ask them.
could you send me a PM if you still got their phone number?
Thanks again!! --
Doc dave, thanks for the input!
I'll certainly get the material checked for allergies.
I have a porcelain + gold partial. Some people are allergic to gold too, so no way, there's no definitive solution for all.
I'm not thinking about bridges, no way. Too afraid to lose more teeth with bridges, too afraid of hidden spaces creating infection. Even with Swiss dentists!!
What is apicoectomy?
I'll go through dr. K's and my lyme doctor's advice for cavitation. I want the dead teeth out. I start to feel the dull pain I had in a cavitation. The bone was necrosed even though nothing showed up in X-rays. Awful infection under.
The dull pain of about 2 decades stopped the day of the operation, never to return. Lots of bone were lost I think, but the pain is gone.
I'm almost sure I'm starting a new cavitation on the remaining canal root, even though it is still young, about a year or a bit more.
--- Mojo, thanks too. No titanium for me, my lyme doctor doesn't recommend titanium for some reason (forgot which).
No implant either, I'm too chicken for it after having got lyme. With partials, if I develop a reaction, I can still immediately take it out and throw it in the garbage and try to find another one.
Thank you all.
Anyone else with Flexite or anything similar??
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Brussels,
Hi! I vetoed implants and metal.....I have had extensive work done with amalgam removal and cavitation work.
I have Flexite upper and lower partials. I have only front teeth..upper and lower remaining.
The flexite is meant to be a permanent partial from everything I learned from my two wholistic dentists.
Mine are comfortable enough, however, they seem to be deteriorating after just tow years. This has not been seen by my dentist in other patients. So.....perhaps it's my chemistry.
Good luck!
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Lightfoot! thanks for the input!
So, are you happy with it so far, despite the deterioration? It means, you got to ask for another one?
How do you wash your partials? Do you think deterioration has to do with that or merely with your own chemicals ... ?
CAn you Pm the phone from the lab you did yours?
thanks a lot for the info!!!
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FLEXITE IS MEANT TO USE PLASTIC CLASPS THESE CLASPS LOOSE THEIR FLEXIBILITY AFTER ABOUT 2 YEARS. valcyte is an antiviral drug
gold is an alloy of many metals 24 kt gold is soft, and can not be used. it is inert and no allergies from it alone. the allergies are from the 10-18 kt gold dental gold is 16-18 kt and has many metals in it copper,tin,silver,and others are used to harden and make gold more flexible. TOPAS IS NOT FDA APPROVED AND THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION ON ITS USE.
MOST partial denture and teeth are made from methyl methacrylate plastic. this is one of the most toxic materials used in the body. it used to be used as cement for hip and knee cement, but has not been halted due to its multiple problems.
so chose your poison, nothing is biocompatible NOTHING. ALL MATERIALS USED BY DENTISTS OR BIODENTISTS ARE NOT BIOCOMPATIBLE WITH THE BODY.
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DocDave, I know gold cannot be pure as it's too soft. I tested for loads of alloy metals to find out which metals could be used in the alloy. Not only metals are important to test, but the materials that are used to wash the 'pink part' of the partials are also important.
I couldn't use a laboratory offering the SAME metal composition I'm using now, only because the refused to take off the rest of finishing chemicals that were left. These chemicals don't get out with simple brushing/ washing.
For that, they needed a special machine and to let the denture wash for about 24 hours. They didn't have the machine, so I shifted labs and shifted dentist.
so I guess I have to choose between having to lose 2 more teeth in the future (bridge) but then choosing ceramic only ( supposing it's possible to do a bridge only with ceramic 100%) ...
or to drill into my bones with an implant, risk infection and future cavitation there...
As for the 'screw' of the implant, which material would you propose for the implant? Is it possible to do a ceramic 'screw' too?
Thanks for your opinion, Doc.
As you said, I DO feel like choosing in between poisons! I would do another gold alloy partial if it were not in my front teeth.
I'm in my 40s, so having a full denture is still not a good option for the moment (even though I sometimes think about the possibility, just not to have to think about teeth problems anymore!!).
thanks again for your opinions!!
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most implants now are hydroxyapatite coated ,which is the same chemical as enamel. the understructure is usually titanium but can be high dentisty ceramic. titanium has been used in body implants for at least 40-50 years and very few are lost to rejection or allergic reaction. screw implants are now 95% sucessful for 10 years i personally have 2. ceramic is still an allergen and not biocompatible but it is close.
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Thank you, Docdave!!
Titanium is a no, my doctor will not accept it, I'm sure about it. I fought with my old dentist because of my doctor: my dentist trying to push titanium, my lyme doctor said 'no'. Then the issue of the cleaning above, that was the last drop.
I stayed with my lyme doctor as he has been so helpful for so long. There's a whole literature in German that is not available to English speaking circles.
Root canals are also used for a long time, and said to be safe. They aren't safe, but 99,9% of the dentists will swear by root canals because they see nothing in the x-rays.
I swear by the contrary. I've seen what I had under root canaled teeth and it was not beautiful. I will never forget the expression of the dentist when he finally pulled the teeth off.
I just wonder if the controversy on the screws inside the bones is not similar. Dentists swearing they are safe, while actually they aren't.
I have to go with what my lyme doctor is used doing, because he's got more experience than I and is closely folllowing what's going on in Germany and with dr. K's lectures.
Anyway, thanks for saying that there are 100% ceramic implants. I'll ask about that too!
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