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Dear Everyone, Do any of you feel bad when you do not eat meat? If I do not have at least a few ounces per day, I feel nauseated and exhausted, and I will ache all over. Sometimes I feel that way anyway, but it improves after eating some meat. The blood test said my iron levels were normal, so what else could be the reason for it? Do you have any ideas?
Keebler
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So, be sure to include good meats and that will pick you up.
There is so much more to meat than iron. So much more! I really need meat or fish each day, even if I also have eggs or nuts. Actually, I start my day will a "dinner" of salmon, kale, etc. and often have eggs for dinner - easier for digestion.
Grass-fed beef is good, too, and try to get organically raised meats. In a stir-fry, you can stretch the meat (and your budget).
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Protein helps our bodies make glutathione and that helps the liver detox . . . protein's amino acids help our brain, our hearts, our muscles, etc., etc., etc.,
THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .
Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India
129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148. Review Article.
Excerpt: " . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."
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Odd, I quit eating meat in 1998 and have never gone back the extreme poor health I had in 1996-1998. Meat does contain hormones and other chemicals (such as adrenaline from the animal when it dies), which could give you a pick me up.
Whatever helps you though, vegetarianism has helped me more than anything and I've never looked back
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Yes, you need protein. What is your blood type?
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I remember when my muscle tone was very bad, my LLMD asked if I ate meat. She said I really needed it.
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....everybody is different, some thrive on a vegan diet, I would waste away within weeks.
There is no one size fits all rule about anything, period. otherwise we'd take our doxy and be cured, for example.
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indeed, everyone is different. i was a vegetarian for eight years and it made me very sick. i don't eat a ton of meat now (i should probably eat more) but i do need to eat it a few times a week at least.
organic/free range/grass fed is best, of course. no hormones/no abx is essential.
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Dear Keebler, You always have such amazing information! The link is not working, though. Could you post it again? Maybe it will work this time. My chiropractor thinks maybe it is a nutrient found in meats that they just have not discovered yet. Amino acids would make sense, too.
Dear Ocean, Your adrenaline theory is a good possibility. I think my adrenals may be shot. There are many people who do better going vegetarian. I just feel as if I have been hit by a train or something when no meat is consumed. Protein evens out blood sugar, so that may be part of it.
Dear sixgoofykids, This is not surprising. I told myself there are some new health guidelines I need to follow. One of those is to consume at least two decent-sized servings of protein per day. 3 ounces of fish and 3 ounces of lean chicken would be an example. Not having a big appetite does not help.
Dear m0joey, I am AB Positive. It seems beef twice per week helps. The rest of the time, it is chicken, pork, fish, and eggs. Fish is typically eaten twice per week as well. I have never tried some foods, and would like to do so to add variety.
Dear Marz, My muscle tone is alright for now. However, the Six Week Body Makeover told me red meat causes too much muscle for my body type. Still, I allow it twice per week. There are times meat is not palatable at all. Other times, you crave it. Your body knows what it needs and when!
Dear Charlie, Meat seems to be necessary for this body. I know I crave a lot of peanut butter as well. The other day, I was reading the label, and it has 20 percent of your daily intake of niacin. It is one of the few things that keeps my blood sugar steady for hours, but it is bad for the yeast overgrowth. Valencia peanuts do not have mold, but I cannot find a gluten-free kind anywhere. The brand I used before may contain gluten now.
Dear heiwalove, Affording the safe meat is the concern. We are on an extremely tight budget. Dad was laid-off in December, and he is now receiving less than half of what his regular paycheck used to be from unemployment. My father is Diabetic, and so we cannot afford much. Both of us being on restricted diets makes things very complicated, along with the cost of both of my parents' medications.
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Hi everyone, I know this is not medical, but this is where everyone goes, so, can you guys help me with a list of good lyme websites and support groups? In support of "The Trish Project" I want to make brochures to put out under the lyme green ribbon in my yard. I want people to find out the truth aobu this disease and get help if they need it!
For those who don't know what the Trish Project is, go to activism, this is a good easy way we can all spread awareness!
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I agree with Charlie and Heiwalove. Everyone is different. I was vegan for three years and a few months. I am still very strict vegetarian and only eat egg whites once in a while. I did fine on a vegan diet. It actually made me feel better and gave me more energy and got totally rid of my IBS. It was great. Until I came down with this lyme, of course. Now I just feel awful usually no matter what I eat.
I started eating egg whites again and never noticed a difference with them or without them.
I will never go back to meat or dairy again. For me, I don't think it matters as I never noticed meat doing much of any good while I was on it. As soon as I stepped away from meat and dairy, I seemed to do so much better.
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Dear Keebler, Thank you for the new link! This is fascinating. I will also keep your tip in mind about the tiny URLs. I saved this so I can refer back to it whenever needed. You never know when you will want to have some information handy!
Dear LisaS, I am not sure about the activist efforts, but I have come across something interesting. Early this morning, I was up and was actually viewing another video on YouTube when I found a video diary of a woman named Jamie. She is a Lyme patient. Her name on there is MyLymeStruggle. A friend of hers set up www.jamiesmiracle.com to help her.
Dear disturbedme, I agree that everyone has their own individual nutrition needs. It is interesting how some people give up meat and feel better, while others feel worse. You may have been sensitive to hormones in them. Even the kind that says they are free of antibiotics and hormones often still have something that should not be there. Dairy is an issue for many, and is often avoided on the Cowden protocol if I recall correctly. I am lactose intolerant, so I rarely eat dairy.
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We are working with a LL nutritionist in Nevada who refused to take on my very sick daughter unless I agreed to feed her meat. Her opinion is that Lymies need red meat to get better.
She lost her husband to Lyme because he was non-compliant (she says).
My daughter had been a vegetarian since age eight, but really all her life. She's now fourteen.
She has a feeding tube, so she doesn't take it by mouth, but I rotate beef, lamb, bison and turkey - 8 oz. per day. She hates the idea, but her health is slowly improving. I don't know how we will manage when she is able to eat by mouth. We'll jump off that bridge later.
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BTW - all meat is organic, free range, etc.
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Dear 4Seasons, I am so sorry to hear about your nutritionist's husband. That is so sad! It is understandable you would be concerned about how your daughter will do once her feeding tube is removed. I could swear I can taste the hormones and such in meat. This is why eating it plain is so difficult at times.
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Sometimes I feel that way anyway, but it improves after eating some meat. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
The blood test said my iron levels were normal, so what else could be the reason for it? Do you have any ideas? ![[confused]](graemlins/confused.gif)
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