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2roads
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Help everyone...my life is just going down hill.


I flew to Phili from Indy and back on US Air. I arrived home on Friday evening.

The past two days I have had a sore throat, headache, swollen glands, ear pain, a feeling of heatedness.

I am worried about my kids getting it.

I called the local ER. They said they are sending the tests out and the results won't come back for a few days here in Indiana. How ridiculous...what's the point?


By then, the whole family has it. The nurse said they have already tested a few people here in Indiana and are awaiting results.


I said the media is flaring everyone up, but not giving us practical info on what to expect. She said that is because they don't know.....about incubation time, symptoms (I guess they vary from person to person).....


Can they give my kids anything? Should they be the ones getting tested.


I don't even know how this is gonna effect my recovery from my molar pregnancy..................I need a Graemlin with a gun to shoot myself........


HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2roads

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oil of oregano
LDM-100
olive leaf extract
any natural antivirals


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I'd wear a mask, try to get a test and some sort of antiviral, and call your LLMD--see what he says. Hope you feel better soon.

As for a vaccine--currently, there is none, something for which I think we should be thankful. We all know what a fiasco they had when they started forcing that on people in 76.

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I just took oil of oregano.....I don't know what LDM-100 is.


I don't know how much of it to take or how often......

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cant your doc give you tamiflu? altho i think you need to start it shortly after getting ill to be effective. Pretty sure your kids can get tamiflu to help prevent it.

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What is in the vaccine????


It is probably to late for me then. I worry about the kids taking it and not taking it.


Anybody know what bad stuff is in it???

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Wear a mask at home!
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Until you know, I would try to avoid anything that could spread it, like preparing meals for your family, kisses, etc. And I would try not to run errands and the like either if you can help it.

Sorry, I hope you get some answers soon. If you really think it could be, you should get tested soon, because the sooner you send out the testing, the sooner you will get the results.

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I would take high doses of Vitamin C too.....like at least 5,000 mg per day, so maybe 1,000 mg 5 to 10 times per day.....go easy at first though because high doses can cause loose stools. Only take what your bowels can handle.

Vitamin C sounds simple, but I trust it as a good stand by.

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A flu vaccine will not work against the current strain of swine flu. Plus vaccines are not usually a good idea for Lymies.

Take the oregano oil or olive leaf extract or other herbs either every hour or every 2 hours for probably at least 5 -7 days. And be sure to drink plenty of water, get extra sleep and eat healthy -- no sugar especially.

The odds are probably very much against you actually having swine flu.

Pneumonia is the complication you need to watch for and a fever over 100 degrees.

Keep us updated. This is not medical advice, just my opinion.

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Google these words:

coconut oil viruses

Source Naturals makes the capsule form. They are available at some health food/supplement stores.

PERSONALLY...I'd take a minimum of 5 capsules twice a day.

That is what I would do.

This is totally up to you!

Many of the other suggestions above are good to (re: the oils).

Good luck. God Bless. This looks to have mutated to a less virulent, but still "sickly" form.

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stay in bed...feed a cold, starve a fever is a good old folk remedy.

Above all don't panic...it's just a virus. It'll run it's course.

Lots of liquids, hot showers if you get chills and fever, and aspirin or ibuprofen to knock the fever down if you can't stand it.

Remember, high fever kills spirochetes.

My non professional 2 cents worth.

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Don't get a vaccine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will only make your lyme worse and WILL NOT do ANYTHING to protect you once you've gotten the flu.

They said today that the vaccine from this winter will NOT work on this flu.

LDM-100 .. look it up online. I think I actually have some here.

Tamiflu WILL help in the first few days of the illness. So go ahead and call your dr. I don't know if children can take it.

Rest and be calm! Hopefully, it will be a mild case.

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Sorry you are dealing with this...I second the Vit C....high doses at least 10-20,000mg a day..to bowel tolerance

.coconut oil is very effective also...I would also take some sea salt...try and stay calm if you can...

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For what it's worth (a list):

http://www.bird-flu-influenza.com/relenza-tamiflu-alternatives-folk-medicines-antivirals.htm

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They told us here the main thing to look for is a high fever.

They said that the strain in the US appears to be of a less

Aggressive nature than the one in Mexico.

"Mild" was the term they used here.

Take a deep breath. Call your LLMD. Go from there.

Hugs,

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oh, hon, i'm so sorry. i don't have any advice at all.

for me, personaly, i won't take any vaccines, but that's just me.

stay home, eat right, take plenty of vitamin C and maybe some of the others here can help.

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What's the difference between tamiflu and the flu vaccine?


What should I give my 6 year old if he gets it? He's on Zith and Bactrim.

I need to help him-

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I haven't had a high fever yet, but i have had one.

I don't have a Lyme doc anymore after Dr. B left practise.


Do you think the Tamiflu is okay for lymies, especially kids?


Thanks everyone for all the help, I'm just beyond the beyond.


My daughter isn't around me that much to get it, but my son....
i think he's a goner-

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I thought it involved nausea and vomiting?

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quote:
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[QB] What's the difference between tamiflu and the flu vaccine?

The Tamiflu is an anti-viral med. The vaccine is full of mercury. Guess which one I'd choose.

Don't give it to a child until you find out children can take that stuff!!

www.drugdigest.com

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If you are worried about your son, I would give him lots of vitamin C too, but increase slowly so his bowels don't get loose.

As in, don't give him 2,000 mg at once or he could get diarrhea.

Maybe start him at 500mg doses throughout the day (5-6 times that day if bowels allow), then increase to more the next day if he doesn't get loose stools.

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I don't have that.


Is this true for most cases?


i have terrible inner ear pain, sore throat, headache, swollen glands with big lymph nodes, an occasional sneeze.


i also have fever.

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I just read that Vitamin C is good for people with compromised immunity, and that HIV patients with lower levels of Vitamin C in their blood tested positive for more viruses. (swine flu is a virus)
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Thanks Hoosiers, i will try this.


Lymetutu, the news said kids could take, but have to be careful about correct dose for weight.

Do we all agree it's okay for us lymies
?


ahhhhhh

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there is another bug going around that is not the flu

i know 3 ppl with it

doc said the flu starts with fever then goes to headache, fatigue and other stuff-gi is lastand

the cold may start with cough, congestion, and you do not get the profound fatigue-dizziness

if you google tamiflu and scroll down there is a good chrt showing the difference between the symptoms for both

my doc said they can test for the flu in the office...

when your fever spikes-that is when you need to get to doc cuz you can't get tamiflu w/o prescription

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quote:
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[QB] Thanks Hoosiers, i will try this.


Lymetutu, the news said kids could take, but have to be careful about correct dose for weight.

Do we all agree it's okay for us lymies
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OK .. Good to know. Many of us lymies have viruses .. so an anti-viral would be a good thing then. I doubt it's bad for us.

I took one once for the flu and it made my heart race .. keep that in mind in case you have heart issues.

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greta, i'm so sorry to read this; i went to NIH's medical library and found this:

http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/swineflu_you.htm
above link is TEXT of the video below!!

has suggestions on meds, etc. on what to do and discusses CHILDREN!

good, informative 5.5 minute swine flu video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85sD83aRUIQ


below link is where i got this from and has much more there:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/swineflu.html#cat42


if you need things, have a neighbor/friend/family member go do things for you. STAY HOME; keep son at home too. wear MASKS also in home or anywhere.

greta, my best to you, your son, and family. [group hug] [kiss]

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Here's a quote about LOMATIUM.

You can have a bottle or two of LOMATIUM extract shipped overnight from iherb.com, or in two days usually by priority mail.

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The Use of Lomatium Root in Treating an Influenza Pandemic
Posted by Ed Smith


Lately I've been receiving many queries about which herbs can be used in the prevention and treatment of Avian Flu (a.k.a. The Bird Flu). There is no definitive answer to this question, nor am I able to locate any scientific research on this subject. However, as herbalists are always doing, we can look back in history for some possible answers.

During the pandemic of 1918-19 over 50-million people died worldwide from what was then know as ``Spanish Flu'' or ``La Grippe.'' This was the most devastating epidemic in recorded history and infected one-fifth of the world's population. An estimated 28% of the American population was infected and 675,000 died during the pandemic. Of the U.S. soldiers who died in Europe during World War I, half died from the influenza pandemic and not from the enemy. In the USA influenza had a mortality rate of 2.5%, with many people dying within hours of manifesting symptoms.

One herb that appears to have been very successfully used by Nevada Native Americans during this pandemic was the root of Lomatium dissectum, which at the time was named Leptotaemia dissecta. This use of Lomatium was observed by Dr. Ernest Krebs and is reported by him below.

The following is verbatim from: Bulletin of the Nevada State Board of Health, No. 1, Carson City, Nevada, January, 1920.

AN INDIAN REMEDY FOR INFLUENZA
In publishing this paper the State Board of Health does not give its endorsement to the remedy until it has had further trial. We merely present the facts as stated by Dr. Krebs, with the idea of giving the matter publicity and encouraging others to give it a trial.

During the fall of 1918 when the influenza epidemic visited this section of Nevada, the Washoe Indian used a root in the treatment of their sick which was gathered along the foot-hills of this slope of the Sierra. The plant proved to be a rare species of the parsley family (Leptotaemia dissecta), according to a report from the University of California. The Indians gather this root in the late fall, November being considered the proper month for gathering. The root is used in the fresh or dry state. It is cut up and a decoction is made by boiling the root in water, skimming off the top and giving large doses of the broth.

A pound of root is considered about the proper dose to treat a case of fever for three days, which is the longest time needed to break up a fever due to influenza or a pulmonary disease, although the Washoes used it as a panacea.

Whether a coincidence or not, there was not a single death in the Washoe tribe from influenza or its complications, although Indians living in other parts of the State where the root did not grow died in numbers. It was such a remarkable coincidence that the root was investigated by a practicing physician who saw apparently hopeless cases recover without any other medication or care of any kind.

A preparation was prepared and employed in a great many cases among the whites, from the mildest to the most virulent types of influenza, and it proved, among other things, that it is the nearest approach we have today to a specific in epidemic influenza and the accompanying pneumonia. Where used early it proved itself to be a reliable agent in preventing pulmonary complications. Other physicians were induced to give it a trial, with the same results. It is beyond the experimental stage, as its therapeutic action in this direction is established and beyond any doubt. The cases in which it has been used run into the hundreds. There is probably no therapeutic agent so valuable in the treatment of influenzal pneumonia and, as far as being tried, in ordinary lobar pneumonia if started early. Its action on coughs is more certain than the opiate expectorants and its benefit is lasting. It acts as a powerful tonic to the respiratory mucous membranes. It is a bronchial, intestinal and urinary antiseptic and is excreted by these organs. It seems to stimulate the pneogastries (sic) and causes a slow pulse with increased volume and reduced tension. It is a pronounced diaphoretic and somewhat diuretic, and it is a stimulating and sedative expectorant. In large doses it is a laxative, and in extreme doses emetic. To make a therapeutically active preparation, the proper variety of the root must be selected in the late fall and properly cured out of the sun. Its active principles must be extracted with as little as possible of the objectionable constituents. The active principles of the root are decidedly complex. It contains a glucoside (as its solutions precipitate copper from Fehling's solution). It contains one or more alkaloids and an acid analogous to benzoic acid, one or more volatile and fixed oils, a resin and a gum. It can be seen from this that it resembles a balsam from the fact that it contains an oleogumresin and an acid besides alkaloids and glucosides. One can at once appreciate the fact that a reliable pharmaceutical preparation representing the action of the root is not readily made. The volatile oil, which is one of the principal therapeutic agents, is lost in making a decoction. This particular variety of Leptotaemia is not as common as believed as some, and it is this particular variety that has medicinal or therapeutic virtues. It grows in dry sandy soil, as a rule, under or between tall sagebrush or greasewood. The plant grows from two to four feet high and has a blossom similar to wild parsnip and leaves like a carrot. It is a perennial, and the older roots frequently weigh from two to six pounds. It sprouts early in April, blooms in May, seeds in June, and withers in July. A number of trials in transplanting the root have been made, but none were successful. Leptotaemia dissecta is destined to become one of the most useful if not the most important addition to our vegetable materia medica.
ERNST T. KREBS, M.D. Carson City, Nevada

I was first introduced to Lomatium root in 1978 by the venerable naturopathic physician, Dr. John Bastyr. He told me that for many years he would hike into the Cascade Mountains of eastern Washington to harvest the Lomatium root that he used in his medical practice. However, his old age was preventing him from making his yearly harvest and he suggested that I harvest the root, prepare it as a fresh (undried) root tincture, and sell it through my newly established herb business, Herb Pharm. I took his advice and soon was selling pints and quarts of this powerful remedy to Dr. Bastyr and other naturopathic doctors.

Dr. Bastyr shared with me stories of his successful clinical use of Lomatium as an anti-viral in the treatment of colds, flu, pneumonia, and other related maladies. At the time, very few people knew of Lomatium, but Dr. Bastyr's teachings kept knowledge of this herb alive among naturopathic doctors and medical students, and I and a few other herbalists (e.g., Michael Moore) spread the word to our herb students, patients and customers. Today Lomatium is well know among American naturopathic doctors and clinical herbalists and is available in many natural foods and herb stores.

Lomatium is a reasonably safe herb to use internally but it can rarely cause a troublesome side effect. Patients who take large or long-continued doses of Lomatium can sometimes develop an annoying skin rash. This rash can be minor and only affect a small area of skin, or it can be painful and cover the whole body. However, practitioners who have seen this rash say that discontinuing the intake of Lomatium right away will cause the rash to disappear within 1 to 7 days with no ill or lasting effects. I've heard of cases of this rash being treated by cortisone, but evidently with no positive effect. Discontinuing the herb and time seem to be the best remedy. I want to emphasize here that developing a rash from taking Lomatium is not that common -- although it does happen.

The recommended dose of a Lomatium fresh-root tincture (1:2) is 20 to 30 drops, which can be taken in water at 2 or 3 doses per day.

CAUTION: The above information is for historical purposes only. There is no scientific evidence that Lomatium could be effective in the treatment of Avian Flu or any other disease. Avian flu, pneumonia and other serious diseases should be treated by a qualified healthcare practitioner.
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I received this email from MYHERBS.I do not sell it but I get the information newslpaper from them.I used to order COWDENS protocoll ( bottles) from them .



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Swine Influenza (swine flu) is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza virus that regularly causes outbreaks of influenza in pigs. Swine flu viruses cause high levels of illness and low death rates in pigs. Swine influenza viruses may circulate among swine throughout the year, but most outbreaks occur during the late fall and winter months similar to outbreaks in humans. The classical swine flu virus (an influenza type A H1N1 virus) was first isolated from a pig in 1930.

How many swine flu viruses are there?
Like all influenza viruses, swine flu viruses change constantly. Pigs can be infected by avian influenza and human influenza viruses as well as swine influenza viruses. When influenza viruses from different species infect pigs, the viruses can reassort (i.e. swap genes) and new viruses that are a mix of swine, human and/or avian influenza viruses can emerge. Over the years, different variations of swine flu viruses have emerged. At this time, there are four main influenza type A virus subtypes that have been isolated in pigs: H1N1, H1N2, H3N2, and H3N1. However, most of the recently isolated influenza viruses from pigs have been H1N1 viruses.

Swine Flu in Humans

Can humans catch swine flu?
Swine flu viruses do not normally infect humans. However, sporadic human infections with swine flu have occurred. Most commonly, these cases occur in persons with direct exposure to pigs (e.g. children near pigs at a fair or workers in the swine industry). In addition, there have been documented cases of one person spreading swine flu to others. For example, an outbreak of apparent swine flu infection in pigs in Wisconsin in 1988 resulted in multiple human infections, and, although no community outbreak resulted, there was antibody evidence of virus transmission from the patient to health care workers who had close contact with the patient.

How common is swine flu infection in humans?
In the past, CDC received reports of approximately one human swine influenza virus infection every one to two years in the U.S., but from December 2005 through February 2009, 12 cases of human infection with swine influenza have been reported.

What are the symptoms of swine flu in humans?
The symptoms of swine flu in people are expected to be similar to the symptoms of regular human seasonal influenza and include fever, lethargy, lack of appetite and coughing. Some people with swine flu also have reported runny nose, sore throat, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.

Can people catch swine flu from eating pork?
No. Swine influenza viruses are not transmitted by food. You can not get swine influenza from eating pork or pork products. Eating properly handled and cooked pork and pork products is safe. Cooking pork to an internal temperature of 160�F kills the swine flu virus as it does other bacteria and viruses.

How does swine flu spread?
Influenza viruses can be directly transmitted from pigs to people and from people to pigs. Human infection with flu viruses from pigs are most likely to occur when people are in close proximity to infected pigs, such as in pig barns and livestock exhibits housing pigs at fairs.

Human-to-human transmission of swine flu can also occur. This is thought to occur in the same way as seasonal flu occurs in people, which is mainly person-to-person transmission through coughing or sneezing of people infected with the influenza virus. People may become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it and then touching their mouth or nose.

What do we know about human-to-human spread of swine flu?
In September 1988, a previously healthy 32-year-old pregnant woman was hospitalized for pneumonia and died 8 days later. A swine H1N1 flu virus was detected. Four days before getting sick, the patient visited a county fair swine exhibition where there was widespread influenza-like illness among the swine.
In follow-up studies, 76% of swine exhibitors tested had antibody evidence of swine flu infection but no serious illnesses were detected among this group. Additional studies suggest that one to three health care personnel who had contact with the patient developed mild influenza-like illnesses with antibody evidence of swine flu infection.

How can human infections with swine influenza be diagnosed?
To diagnose swine influenza A infection, a respiratory specimen would generally need to be collected within the first 4 to 5 days of illness (when an infected person is most likely to be shedding virus). However, some persons, especially children, may shed virus for 10 days or longer. Identification as a swine flu influenza A virus requires sending the specimen to CDC for laboratory testing.

What medications are available to treat swine flu infections in humans?
There are four different antiviral drugs that are licensed for use in the US for the treatment of influenza: amantadine, rimantadine, oseltamivir and zanamivir.

While most swine influenza viruses have been susceptible to all four drugs, the most recent seven swine influenza viruses isolated from humans are resistant to amantadine and rimantadine. At this time, CDC recommends the use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment and/or prevention of infection with swine influenza viruses. More information on treatment recommendations can be found at www.cdc.gov/flu/swine/recommendations.htm.

What other examples of swine flu outbreaks are there?
Probably the most well known is an outbreak of swine flu among soldiers in Fort Dix, New Jersey in 1976. The virus caused disease with x-ray evidence of pneumonia in at least 4 soldiers and 1 death; all of these patients had previously been healthy. The virus was transmitted to close contacts in a basic training environment, with limited transmission outside the basic training group.

The virus is thought to have circulated for a month and disappeared. The source of the virus, the exact time of its introduction into Fort Dix, and factors limiting its spread and duration are unknown. The Fort Dix outbreak may have been caused by introduction of an animal virus into a stressed human population in close contact in crowded facilities during the winter. The swine influenza A virus collected from a Fort Dix soldier was named A/New Jersey/76 (Hsw1N1).

Is the H1N1 swine flu virus the same as human H1N1 viruses?
No. The H1N1 swine flu viruses are antigenically very different from human H1N1 viruses and, therefore, vaccines for human seasonal flu would not provide protection from H1N1 swine flu viruses.




Swine Flu in Pigs

How does swine flu spread among pigs?
Swine flu viruses are thought to be spread mostly through close contact among pigs and possibly from contaminated objects moving between infected and uninfected pigs. Herds with continuous swine flu infections and herds that are vaccinated against swine flu may have sporadic disease, or may show only mild or no symptoms of infection.

What are signs of swine flu in pigs?
Signs of swine flu in pigs can include sudden onset of fever, depression, coughing (barking), discharge from the nose or eyes, sneezing, breathing difficulties, eye redness or inflammation, and going off feed.

How common is swine flu among pigs?
H1N1 and H3N2 swine flu viruses are endemic among pig populations in the United States and something that the industry deals with routinely. Outbreaks among pigs normally occur in colder weather months (late fall and winter) and sometimes with the introduction of new pigs into susceptible herds. Studies have shown that the swine flu H1N1 is common throughout pig populations worldwide, with 25 percent of animals showing antibody evidence of infection.

In the U.S. studies have shown that 30 percent of the pig population has antibody evidence of having had H1N1 infection. More specifically, 51 percent of pigs in the north-central U.S. have been shown to have antibody evidence of infection with swine H1N1. Human infections with swine flu H1N1 viruses are rare. There is currently no way to differentiate antibody produced in response to flu vaccination in pigs from antibody made in response to pig infections with swine H1N1 influenza.

While H1N1 swine viruses have been known to circulate among pig populations since at least 1930, H3N2 influenza viruses did not begin circulating among US pigs until 1998. The H3N2 viruses initially were introduced into the pig population from humans. The current swine flu H3N2 viruses are closely related to human H3N2 viruses.

Is there a vaccine for swine flu?

Vaccines are available to be given to pigs to prevent swine influenza. There is no vaccine to protect humans from swine flu. The seasonal influenza vaccine will likely help provide partial protection against swine H3N2, but not swine H1N1 viruses.

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2ROAD I pm you to call and get the frequencies and treat with RIFE if you can find somebody closed to you.This is what I could find FROM OTHER FORUMS.

I posted something else on the discussion topic about this.

Also another alternative recomendation.

http://standeyo.com/NEWS/09_Health/09027.prep.4flu.naturally.html

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Wow!!!!


You are all wonderful!


Thanks so much for the info. I am working my way through it all now.


I kept my son home today.

I feel a little better, but it seems to get worse at night.My ears don't hurt as much, nor my glands either.


I am so tired though.....I' sure it's alot of stress too. I need to contact the herbal company and get a closet full of Lomatium, especially for the future. They say this could get real ugly in the fall in the US.


I hope it's the other virus I have.


Hugs to all [group hug]

Greta

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greta, thanks for logging in today; been very concerned and wandering about you my friend! [group hug] [kiss]
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2 roads,

would you edit subject line to H1N1 virus...

delete the SWINE FLU please? to edit, click on pencil, 3rd box to right of your name to open up subject line and text area.


my reason for asking is this...

IOWA IS NO. 1 PORK PRODUCERS; this has given all our farmers a bad name, and SALES ARE DOWN CONSIDERABLY; hurting their $$ livelyhood.

NC i believe i heard in wee am hours is no. 2 state of pork producers.

thanks for your consideration; i'll be asking others this also [Smile] big thanks [group hug] [kiss]

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i wasn't picking on you specifically ... i went back to 6-8 posts with the former name.

in the WEE am hours, i was watching cspan with the same ENERGY/COMMERCE sub-committee who has our lyme bill there.

they had cdc there discussing N1HI or vice versa, iowa's house rep bruce braley, sp, made wonderful comments about getting the name to CORRECT name they came up with this virus.

he cornered CDC director over infectious diseases about this twice. she informed him it was a LOW PRIORITY; other things need to be done first.

he explained about iowa's pork farmers and how it was hurting their economy. again, he tried to pinpoint her and she was starch. something like i'll see what i can do.

but after his turn was over she was writing herself a note and i think she was going to show person to side of her when cameras left her!

but he did a great job on his wordage and insistence to call it what it is; not what they named it. [Smile]

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