seekhelp
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I am absolutely convinced now after educating myself more I must try this IF it's safe. My gallbladder is becoming more of an issue. I'm interested in attempting this before going through surgery.
Could everyone who has done one successfully share your secrets? I've read a lot online, but I like personal experience as well. I am not interested in ingesting epsom salts though.
Thanks so much.
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Some methods of ' flush' can be very hard on the gallbladder and the liver - and even trigger an attack. However, a formula that contains Rhubarb may be helpful support, if used in moderation.
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Just be VERY careful. I wanted very badly to do a flush instead of surgery but I was too afraid of getting a stone stuck in my bile duct!
As it turned out, I DID get a stone stuck in my bile duct last year...three years AFTER GB surgery. Go figure.
You could put yourself into a medical emergency .. but then again .. it could work.
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Anyone here ever use Gold Coin Grass in a tincture form?
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I don't have gallstones showing on my ultrasound or CT-scan, but I know that doesn't mean they aren't existent. I'm looking for a way to remove sludge safely and effectively.
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I don't have gallstones showing on my ultrasound or CT-scan, but I know that doesn't mean they aren't existent. I'm looking for a way to remove sludge safely and effectively.
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I did a liver flush & about 10 days later I started having very bad pain in my back. I think it's from my liver. I don't have any symptoms of having a bile stone lodged in a duct - just bad back pain which is probably my liver.
I did another flush & passed about 70 stones. My liver still hurts a great deal. I'm not exactly sure what the problem is but I started taking some products to support my liver function.
It's been about 2 weeks & it's still quite painful. I think my liver has been a big bottleneck for toxins to pass through my system. I never realized how bad off it was until I did the flush.
If you are concerned - try a gentler approach. There are many products & packages to do a liver flush that aren't as harsh as the Hulda Clark method.
All in all - this may turn out to be the best thing I ever did. I just wasn't prepared for the excruciating pain I've been dealing with. I had no idea my liver was so bad off.
This may be the case for many of us who have been dealing with Lyme & all of the toxins from die-off & herbal remedies, supplements & drugs.
We think all of the toxins are in the bowels but they can be in other organs, too. I really couldn't believe how many stones I passed. I'm going to do another flush in about a week depending on how things go.
I think Hulda Clark says to keep doing them until you pass about 1200 stones. My poor liver... I had no idea what was going on in there!
It usually doesn't hurt to pass the stones but I was quite ill the first time. I just have a feeling it's going to take some time for my liver to heal. I don't know what a regular MD would say.
At this point, I'm not all that trusting to the "experts" since it took me 9 years to get a Lyme diagnosis in the first place.
Hope this helps.
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So that you can be aware of cautions, there are many links from a google search of: "Gallbladder flush" danger
. . . I feel that such a technique is probably useless - and in some cases, hazardous.
. . . The "broken up gallstones" in the feces are actually chips of olive oil soap, created in the intestine by the action of acid (the citric acid in the lemon juice) upon fat (the olive oil).
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I really think that it's never a good idea to flush anything but the oil in a car and the toilet. Gentle, everyday support, is what makes our body the happiest. Extreme measures can be a shock to the body.
If your gallbladder is not screaming now, eating foods that are good support (as in the list above), steering clear of bad fats and taking in just the right amount of good fats, should keep you in good stead. Getting more fiber in the diet is good, too.
If you take rocephin, there is another medicine that needs to go with that to help protect the gallbladder, though.
Do not avoid all fats unless you are in attack or close to attack mode. Even then, a small amount of the flax oil in the beet recipe can be helpful.
** Fat-free and low-fat diets can be a cause for gallbladder problems as well as too much of the wrong fats. The body needs fats. ***
Use omega 3 oils like flax or hemp. These are both delicious on salads. Cold-pressed, extra-virgin olive oil is also recommended. Use with vinegar or fresh lemon juice.
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Food containing good fat helps the gallbladder do its job.
The gallbladder stores about 50 mL (1.7 US fluid ounces / 1.8 Imperial fluid ounces) of bile, which is released when food containing fat enters the digestive tract, stimulating the secretion of cholecystokinin (CCK).
The bile, produced in the liver, emulsifies fats and neutralizes acids in partly digested food.
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- full page with a great illustration at link above
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I find the Hulda Clark cleanse effective and helpful for many different reasons. Each time I do it, the resultant herx -- and number of stones -- lessens. No snake oil there!
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quote:Originally posted by seekhelp: [QB] I don't have gallstones showing on my ultrasound or CT-scan, but I know that doesn't mean they aren't existent. I'm looking for a way to remove sludge safely and effectively.
Then it might be safe.
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I've done 4 now and like Cold Feet the number of stones reduced to this last time, to just one very small one and a lot of sludge.
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re: . . . The "broken up gallstones" in the feces are actually chips of olive oil soap, created in the intestine by the action of acid (the citric acid in the lemon juice) upon fat (the olive oil).
From my experience - this is definitely not what I passed. I think the gallstones are real & making it very hard for your liver to function.
Anyone who has done a flush would know this is completely untrue about chips of olive soap... What a joke...
If you go to most MDs - they would probably not even see the stones until it's time to get your gallbladder removed.
I was very ill for the first flush but the 2nd one was easier. I think it's worthwhile but you may stir up things that may be hard to deal with.
There are ways you can do this that are less severe. One is the lemon & olive oil flush. It's quite easy... You just blend a whole organic lemon with 1 tbs of olive oil & 1 & 1/2 cups of pure water.
You drink this for 5 days. In my case, I'm doing it, as needed, every other day or so.
I don't regret doing the flush but you do need to know that it may stir up some things that you never knew you had. I detoxing alot of toxins & it doesn't feel good but I think in my case, it was necessary.
Most people do not have extreme reactions like I did.
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in my opinion it is a process that can work very well, but you must become very educated on cleansing the GB, liver, kidneys and colon; and follow a process that makes sense based on your condition and current medications, ect.
while on certain meds i would agree with maz, and look into the longer acting herbs that you take for a few to several weeks, or the drink with lemon, garlic and olive oil in the AM, ect.
if you can, and you learn of and take the steps leading up to it, i would suggest doing a clarke style flush because they are very effective and safe when done right.
after i was off IV, i did allot of other cleansing and the clark flush(es) and had the same (favorable) experience listed above.
andreas moritz has a great book on this, called something like 'secrets of health and rejuvenation.' he teaches to handle all of this safely.
then there's also 'sensible health.com', with allot of really good info, that offers an effective herbal regimen also leading up to a full gb cleanse when you can.
julia there deals with allot of chronic health cases and this issue.
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I think there's a method involved here. It probably would be better to do the whole program as illustrated by Dr. Hulda Clark or some others.
Start with the bowels, parasites, kidneys - then liver (I think this is the order). It all just makes sense.
There's alot of great info on Curezone. This forum has alot of great info -
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