I always felt and have experienced first hand this co-infection. These pathogens really could account for a lot of our suffering.
The point I have been trying to get across is not necessarily about salt/c, but about the possibility that people are not getting well because they haven't been treated for this. What's the deal?
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Who's ignoring it? Plenty of NDs look at the parasite avenue. There is plenty of posts on lymenet regarding parasites.
So glad it's working for you. Your enthusiam is noted & your availabilty to help others with the Salt/C protocal is admirable.
Just because people and/or medical professionals choose not to do the Salt/C approach doesn't mean they haven't looked into.
Just like people who choose not to do abxs.
It is their choice.
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I've been doing some reading on parasites... Seems that most people have them & it's been going on for thousands of years.
I've been looking at Curezone alot & there's tons of info about it. It's hard to get to everything. There are so many things to consider with Lyme & parasites.
There are alot of different products & zappers, Rife, etc. Which do you choose? I just did another liver flush - those are good, too. I just don't know if we can ever win with parasites... They can produce millions of eggs every day. How do you keep up?
Do you think the parasite situation is worse than mercury?
I guess salt/C is an easy thing to try. I'm having some liver problems so I don't know if it will be too harsh.
Thanks for the reminder.
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I guess my focus is more about the Filarial Worms specifically that were found in the ticks by Burgdorfer.
dmc...
Again I am not focusing right now on the salt/c ,but on the Filarial Worms as a co-infection no matter what the treatment would be.
In other words so as much attention was focused on this as say borrelia, bart, babs, erlichiosis etc. I have never heard medical professional refer to Filarial Worms as a possible coinfection.
Sparkle,
you are so right about the millions of eggs being layed everyday. Even after 3 yrs and getting rid of tons of parasites and eggs, I am still dealing with it. I am much, much better. I think persistence is the key.
The person who created the lymephotos site is in remission and from what I understand continues tx. I also think that the parasites are holding on to the mercury as well as the bacteria.
I have read Dr. K. treats for parasites/worms 1st and won't treat other infections until these are cleared. From my own experience, I got rid of a lot of liver flukes when I started the salt/c.
I think it acts as a cleanser as well. Again, I am not trying to focus on the salt/c in this post. Thanks for the responses,
Gael
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This is the scariest, grossest, and creepiest thing I have ever seen.
I am new to this site and I am terrified.
Have you guys actually seen these things come out of your body?
Personally I have not, but I never looked!!!
I know I'm a noob but wth!?!!!? I really hope this is not common!!
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I know... It's really creepy but most people do have some sorts of parasites.
I guess when we are not dealing with Lyme & a bunch of other stuff - it may not be as big an issue. When you do get ill, you really have to take care of all of it... Just my experience.
Gael - do you know if there is a specific type of Filarial Worms that goes along with Lyme. I think there are 100s of varieties of these kinds of parasites.
The micro Filarial Worms can go anywhere in the body - unless I'm mistaken. They aren't just in the liver or bowels. I'm just learning about all of this so I may be mistaken.
Also- I read that Dr. K won't see patients unless they get the mercury fillings out. So, that may be prior to the parasite cleanse... I think it's important to know the order to treat - if possible. There are so many things to deal with.
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Hi Sparkle,
I don't know what specific type goes along with Lyme other than what's written in the lymephotos site. Burgdorfer would probably be the best person to answer that.
Yes they can go anywhere in the body and it is referred to as filariasis. I had a friend who saw Dr. K. and he gave her alinia without asking her to remove any mercury fillings. I don't know what he does with other patients.
I am going to send you some links I found in reference to filarial worms. Interestingly I found some info that Doxy kills the filaria, but not the adults.
Could explain why some people feel better on antibiotics. Ultimately, the adults have to be killed or the cycle will keep repeating itself.
P. S. I had a lot of mercury fillings, but could not afford to have them replaced. I will send you info,
Gael
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cryptostrongylus pulmoni is implicated in CFS and this has been a recurring parasite for me.
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Yes mOjoey, I have heard of this connected to CFS. What have you done to treat it?
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I took doxy for months... I didn't feel any different either way.
Here's a blog article I found that's pretty good about parasites -
Could ME be caused by parasites in the brain? (ME is CFS in case you don't know.)
have you ever written to ilads.org site and addressed this? see what type of reply they send; when i've written on anything, within 24 hrs. or even an 8 hr. day, they have replied. good luck.
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Sparkle, Good info on parasites, Thanks
Hi Betty,
The owner of the lymephotos site contacted a lot of related ilads organizations including the CDC...
They pretty much ignored her and she said they seemed to be more interested in fundraising.
However, I certainly would be willing to give it a try. Do you have an exact e-mail? I didn't want to sign up for the newsletter so as not to jam up my e-mail. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for any help,
Gael
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I've read that MMS is good for getting rid of parasites, too.
May be worth it to use as a periodic dewormer every so often...? I've read that it's quite strong & may cause big herxed for people with Lyme. Best to start off very minimal & ramp it up as needed - from what I've read.
The blog article mentions that people should deworm on a regular basis - like pets. Seems logical. There are so many parasites & they can be invisible unless you start getting ill.
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I am confused about what I have read about the filarial worm/nematode infections you are discussing. What I have found in reference sources is that Elephantiasis is what results from chronic infections with these filaria, or as you said, Filariasis.
Do you have any documentation that says this is not always the case? Wouldn't we all have Elephantiasis if we had chronic filarial infection?
Thank you for contacting me. We have just updated our web site.
I gave the new ones to the web master but apparently, they haven't made it up there yet. Check back shortly.
Here is a link to them. Feel free to share.
Barbara L. Buchman Executive Director, ILADS P.O. Box 341461 Bethesda, MD 20827-1461
301-263-1080
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My post disappeared! Ahhh...
Anyway - It's possible that microfilarial worms can exist with Lyme in the tick...
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After 13 years of suffering with Lyme disease, a possible cure has been stumbled upon. A cumulative effect of much research has produced the possibility that salt and vitamin C may be all that is needed to beat this elusive illness.
Without going into a lot of detail, our theory is that Lyme is not just a bacterial disease, but also an infestation of microfilarial worms.
Bacteria, worms, internal mites and the possibility of other creatures have been quite horrifying.
Ticks can transfer many types of pathogens into the body of their host. It is also possible that the tick could pick up a new pathogen and pass it on to their next host, explaining why Lyme patients have different types of organisms within their bodies.
Shortly after starting the treatment, we were shocked by the presence of the worms. Microfilarial worms live symbiotically with bacteria.
They protect the bacteria from being exterminated by the antibiotics. Our theory is that the microfilarial worm, though possibly a nematode, is a parasitic nematomorph which we name Paragordius Lyme Incorporehumani.
The Lyme bacteria is Borrelia burgdorferi, named after Willy Burgdorfer.
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Allicin, as well as andrographis, also addresses this.
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To prevent lyme in dogs, we use Frontline, which blocks the chloride channels.
We also give our dogs, Heartguard to prevent worms.
They are getting better treatment than we humans are it would seem!
P.S. I am NOT suggesting you take your pet's medicine!
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Betty,
As per your request, I changed the title of the post. Good idea my friend. As usual you are very on the ball. Thanks so much for the contact info.
I will follow up and definitely share the information I receive back. I just think this is a very important possible missing piece to this Lyme puzzle.
When I look at Michael J. Fox twisting and turning, all I see are these worms moving around his intestines and being responsible for him not being able to sit still. It's just what I see in my minds eye.
Sparkle,
Thanks for taking the time to type out that info from lymephotos.
Gael
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I'm beginning to think that the whole parasite thing is really under recognized....
Hulda Clark has been saying this for years!
I guess people in the western world just don't want to think about it. Can't say I blame people for being in denial. It's gross to think about it.
I did find alot of good info about parasites but I'd like to get off the computer for awhile. I'll post it later...
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"Parasites" are one of those things that quite honestly, there is a lot of misinformation about. While infection is probably more common than most doctors realize, it doesn't help that there is a relatively large section of the "alternative and complimentary" community that claims everything is parasitic, that everything from headaches to loose stools are ONLY caused by parasites, and other foul-ups that don't help anyone, and coincidentally you need to spend tons of money on "cleanses".
If you suspect any parasitic connection, there are drugs like Alinia and other antiparasitic out there. Parasites are generally more complex than bacteria and viruses thus less able to adapt to changes in their environment. With very few exception, macro-parasite infections are typically not "hidden".
Oh, and I try not to bash other sites of information but... Curezone is the most useless, backward, conspiracy laden site on the net that I've found. Any place that puts a thread on alien abductions next to "legit" medical conditions is contributing to the problem. I see a lot of desperate people there searching for answers and grasping at straws, but the vast majority of what is posted there is either 1) misinformed 2) exploitative of poor people who are trying to get well - see the "I have devised this new device that costs $2000 and will kill the alien parasite that lays eggs in your brain! Buy the plans from me now!" kind of posts and 3) Just plain wrong.
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My first LLMD had just begun giving Ivermectin to patients to treat filarial worms when he closed his practice for health reasons.
I did not take Ivermectin but was told that several of his patients had good results with it.
Ivermectin is the same medication given to dogs to prevent/treat heartworms.
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Blackstone - Parasite remedies are not all that expensive. They are mainly black wallnut hulls, wormwood & cloves. There are some fancier remedies that can cost more but it's a pretty basic formula.
I found alot of good information on Curezone. I don't mind if there's info on alien abductions or conspiracy theories, too. It's freedom of speech at work - live & direct.
There are many people who have been through the MD mill & spent alot of time figuring out what works for them. I'm glad they are posting their info. I found it to be very helpful.
I did a liver flush which was a grapefruit, 1/2 cup of olive oil & a few tbs of epsom salt. I passed a few parasites & LOTS of gall stones that were clogging up my liver & making my life miserable... It didn't cost anywhere near $2000 or kill alien parasites.
I didn't even know about all of this until I did my liver flush & some pretty odd looking stuff came out.
Curezone rocks in my opinion...
I did spend thousands on MD quacks who didn't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground, though.
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For thousands of years, humans used herbs for worming purposes. THINK about this - if these herbs didn't work or were harmful - those folks would have died. Since man has entered into modern times, these age -old remedies have been replaced with modern medicines and chemicals.
However, most parasites have adapted themselves to this and are harder than ever to destroy. Parasites, like roaches, have been around since the dawn of man and will continue to plague us due to their tremendous adaptability.
Many older people remember the home remedies for parasites such as the very commonplace castor oil treatment. Before the 1930's it was common and routine for families to worm themselves every six months.
In the 1800's, medical doctors would supervise the biannual de-worming process for their patients. The European medical community of today still recommends biannual worming.
Many asthmatics actually have lung worms - heart worms are causing heart problems and the list goes on and on. Most cases of problems caused by parasites are not known unless it is verified by autopsy.
Just one example on this subject: the television show ``60 Minutes'' documented the story of many children who died of unknown causes.
Bloated stomachs was one of their symptoms. Their autopsies revealed that they had all died from dog heart tapeworm infestations.
These children had been innocently infected from dogs and only after their death was it known that they could have EASILY been spared!
Let's review how a modern American doctor tests for parasites. There are over 1,000 species of parasites that can live in the human body.
Modern medicine has tests for about 45 of these. Therefore, tests are available for only about 5% of parasites. The accuracy rate of these tests are 20%.
After the math, we come up with a 1% accuracy rate. It all boils down to this - if you have any type of parasite in your body, you only have a 1% chance of finding out for sure with a medical test.
The testing consists of a lab technician working with a stool sample. This misses blood parasites and flukes and most all other species. Most people think - if I had worms, I would know it. Probably not!
If an occasional worm is passed in the stool - how many of us would even see it?
REMEMBER - it's the parasite's mission to remain undetected and it is quite rare to see an actual ``worm'' (besides pinworms) in the stool. They do not want to leave the host because they need their host to survive.
WHY ARE WE NOT BEING DIAGNOSED?
We live in a modern, clean, sanitary country - talking about parasites is UNHEARD OF. We Americans consider it to be a Third World problem.
American doctors are not trained to recognize or treat parasite infections. American doctors who take a Parasitology course (the study of human parasites) are given information and stats from foreign countries, so these doctors perceive parasites as a problem not associated with the United States.
In other words, it's not talked about, not taught to the members of our medical community and is frankly ignored by most everyone.
Lack of education and awareness about parasitic infections are the missing link to many of today's ailments.
Modern medicine and chemicals used to treat worms are formulated to rid the body of only one type of parasite at a time.
Parasites easily migrate to a different part of the body that's not being treated. Herbal treatments work differently. Some herbs kill the adult parasite while others destroy the larvae and the eggs.
One herb may kill several species while another destroys a different set of parasitic species. There are herbs that travel in the blood stream and kill the microscopic parasites too.
The best thing about herbs is that they are non-toxic to humans, but are lethal to the parasites.
HERBAL REMEDIES FOR PARASITE REMOVAL
There are two schools of thought on herbal parasite removal. This first is very strong doses over a short period of time (seven days).
This will destroy parasites, BUT it is also traumatic for the body AND it misses many larvae and eggs in the process. These escapees will just grow, hatch and re-infect you.
The second school of thought is what HUMAWORM is based on. We have found that a milder dose of parasite killing herbs over a longer period of time is the MOST EFFECTIVE way to rid your entire body of parasites and their toxins.
Your body does not go into shock - and all parasites, larvae and eggs are removed over a thirty day period. Most parasites are destroyed within the first week of treatment, however, the remaining larvae and eggs are removed in the next twenty-three days.
Parasites will try to migrate to any part of the body that is not being treated so they can stay with you - their host.
The HUMAWORM FORMULA treats the entire body so there is NOWHERE for them to hide.
The HUMAWORM FORMULA works in three ways - #1 - a specific herb combination destroy the unwanted guests #2 - another herb combination sweeps the entire body of toxins and helps restore the body #3 - the digestive and colon herbs gently help this hard working system remove the waste.
(I am not affiliated with this product.)
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Bb is in lots of places:
"B. burgdorferi in the CNS localized to the leptomeninges, nerve roots, and dorsal root ganglia, but not to the parenchyma.
Outside of the CNS, B. burgdorferi localized to endoneurium and to connective tissues of peripheral nerves, skeletal muscle, heart, aorta, and bladder.
Although ospA, ospB, ospC, and flagellin were present at the time of inoculation,
only flagellin was expressed by spirochetes in tissues 4 months later.
Significant inflammation occurred only in the heart, and only immunosuppressed animals had cardiac fiber degeneration and necrosis.
Plasma cells were abundant in inflammatory foci of steroid-treated animals. We concluded that B. burgdorferi has a tropism for the meninges in the CNS and for connective tissues elsewhere in the body."
And London doctors can't figure it out?! I remember seeing a story about her on TV just a few months ago.
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marnie, are you talking about the table there listing all these names, etc??
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Edited while you were posting...adding more links.
Perfect hide-out for Bb i.e., inside a worm...
In addition to Bb's other fav. locations in our bodies.
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Sparkle...
EXCELLENT Information regarding parasites and the devastating problems they cause going udetected. The herbal information you posted was great.
Thanks for taking the time to type it out. The way you layed everything out was succinct and easy to understand. I also agree that curezone rocks!
Marnie,
Thanks for all the great links. The point about the worms protecting the bb is exactly why it would be so important to eradicate these worms.
I agree that it is mindboggling why these London doctors can look at a blatant Filarial infection and not have a clue. I just don't get it. I really think this is a serious problem in the Lyme complex and we need to stay on top of it. Thanks again everyone,
Gael
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From Wikipedia -
Elephantiasis occurs in the presence of microscopic, thread-like parasitic worms such as Wuchereria bancrofti, Brugia malayi, and B. timori, all of which are transmitted by mosquitoes.[2]
However, the disease itself is a result of a complex interplay between several factors: the worm, the symbiotic Wolbachia bacteria within the worm, the host's immune response, and the numerous opportunistic infections and disorders that arise.
Consequently, it is common in tropical regions and Africa. The adult worms only live in the human lymphatic system.[3] Obstruction of the lymphatic vessels leads to swelling in the lower torso, typically in the legs and genitals.
It is not definitively known if this swelling is caused by the parasite itself, or by the immune system's response to the parasite.
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Treatments for lymphatic filariasis differ depending on the geographic location of the endemic area.[9] In sub-Saharan Africa, albendazole (donated by GlaxoSmithKline) is being used with ivermectin (donated by Merck & Co.) to treat the disease, whereas elsewhere in the world, albendazole is used with diethylcarbamazine.[9]
Geo-targeting treatments is part of a larger strategy to eventually eliminate lymphatic filariasis by 2020.[9]
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It's possible that there are these worms present in ticks. They may not be the exact same varieties.... it may be something different.
It would be interesting to see if there are any further studies about this other than the salt/c people.
There are also worms present in mosquitos... They may not be the same as the ones that cause Elephantiasis but who hasn't been bitten by a mosquito?
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From the section: Antibacterial / Antimalarial & Filaricidal
Excerpt: . . .
AP extracts are also efffective in killing filaria (microscopic worms) that obstruct lymph channels in the body, leading to gross swelling termed elephantiasis. The study was done in dogs. Since no toxic effects were apparent, researchers believed that the AP plant extract would be safe for humans. No plant has previously been shown to have antifilarial action.
There are some good links from a Google search of: ALLICIN, antifilarial
And there are a couple abstracts at PubMed about NEEM being antifilarial, too. (Neem, worms - 2 abstracts)
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Betty,
I e-mailed Lymedocs.com about the Filarial Worm connection that you gave me. I received an automatic response saying they were out until May 17th.
Keebler,
Thanks for the links. The andographs look like a possibility but the problem is killing the adults and eggs.
Sparkle,
I sent you info on the worm-tick connection. I haven't gotten the copy and paste thing down yet.
Gael
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The research on Andrographis speaks to being helpful against numerous forms, shapes and cycles of various infectious agents, including and parasites.
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Betty,
Just received and e-mail back from Barbara Buchman. She said that she gave my message to one of the MDs and if I didn't hear from someone shortly I should let her know.
Have no idea what kind of response I will get, but I will post it here,
Gael
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Keebler - Thanks for the info.
I don't believe that Dr. Hulda Clark uses garlic. I was just watching an interview with her & she states that garlic has carcinogenic substances (alkylating agents) which react with other materials to become carcinogenic. I was pretty surprised...
I know many people have used garlic but I find that I have some sort of allergy to it. Bob Beck has also stated that there are dangers with garlic, too.
Big wake up call in regards to garlic!
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I believe the garlic allergy/sensitivity has to do with sulfur. After I treated the sulfur allergy, i tested well for garlic.
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gael, good; barbara has given me 1 day replies.
glad she gave this to one of drs; will be interesting to hear what they have to say!! that's progress....someone there is reading/researching, etc!!
always good to go to the sources and give them a CHANCE to reply instead of our speculating.
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We must be careful when we look at a foodstuff.
We have tried to analyze garlic and figure out why it is so good. Is it the selenium in it or one of the MANY MANY other nutrients in garlic that makes it "protective"?
OR...and I think this is the reason:
Is it all the nutrients in garlic working TOGETHER that makes it good for us?
Somewhere in my old files I have the list of what is contained in garlic - and I remember it is over 20.
Repeating:
Instead of looking at just one thing in a foodstuff, is the right "combination" of nutrients within a foodstuff that are working TOGETHER that ultimately leads to the benefits of consuming that food?
Let me try to simplify this:
We KNOW for a fact that cinnamon helps control blood sugar levels, but what happens when we add cinnamon to sugar? Does one "counter" the other?
Does that make it okay to eat cinnamon-sugar?
Within garlic there are MANY things which maybe working TOGETHER to be beneficial for our health.
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Has anyone kept in contact james20 ??
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I'm not allergic to anything else that I know of. I got very ill with what I thought were seasonal allergies (which I never had before) when I was eating raw garlic...
It's probably best not to do anything in extreme. I was just eating raw garlic with food - not as a supplement.
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Anyway - FYI
Garlic and Onion
Garlic and onion are in the same plant family, and both have anti-bacterial and anti-viral properties. Garlic is also anti-fungal, and is stronger than onions for fighting microorganisms.
I've had quite a few experiences using garlic to fight the flu, both cooked and raw. Usually I prefer to swallow the smaller, capsule-sized cloves (peeled, of course), whole and raw.
Sometimes the flu is more powerful than that, and once I found myself cooking the larger cloves in oil and then eating it over pasta. Surprisingly, the cooked garlic completely killed the flu within the hour. This proved to me that garlic can be effective in its cooked form, too.
There are a few warnings that come with garlic. Namely, it's a blood thinner and should be used with caution (i.e. don't overdo it) if already on a blood-thinning drug.
Its smell is also a concern -- often when large quantities are taken, a smell is exuded not only from the mouth, but the skin as well.
And Hulda Clark cautions against all members of the onion family (garlic, onions, asparagus), because a certain type of parasite seen in cancer cases feeds on them within the intestinal tract.
Otherwise, it's a wonderful food-grade herb that can sometimes cure the common cold.
The ion flux into Parasitic eggs is a bit complicated.
ospA, B & C and flagellin do play a part, but the inoculation is only secondary to the spirochetal bacteria. Inoculation of plasma cell to show some foci as well.
You need to consider that Bb can be primed in areas that incapacitate the parenchyma. In other words outside the CNS and into the intracellular lipoproteins than inhibit transferace by amino glycogen stores.
Perhaps phosphate calcium inhibition by PKC plays a role. Antiglutamateric cystine channels can also play a role in the phagocytosis and mitosis of the organisms.
Sodium/Potassium pump can play various roles in abduction of the entire pathogenesis cycle. Interruption of the cell life can cause direct mutation of the complex channels that sodium ions take up, thus further inhibiting the phagocytosic phase of dis inhibition.
If one were to consider PKC alone, the inhibition factor is much more complex.
TRPM8 does export calcium, but when this occurs, depletion of Mg+ ions can also follow. So, doubling or tripling your daily intake of these supplements can grossly change the genetic markers that Parasites can't enumerate.
Na+ effluc = out. ? = in Na+ + ?= ???
The unknown ? is what is needed to solve the equation. The answers lie deep in tissues. A pathologist could enumerate the specific factors that would then fill in for ?.
With the Cl- channels open and the flooding of intracelluar ions / extracellular ions, in addition to parasitic inhibition via the pathways that conduct the process of DNA markers, it is easy to see more neuronal uptake of these markers and the replication factor that modify the parasitic presence.
The above is no secret to science. It is just overlooked so many time and places. LLMD's should be aware that the mutism factor can be appropriated into treatment.
Artimesia and other antiparasitic herbs can fluctuate this process into normality as exhibited by decreased counts of normal immunological markers for the Parasites.
It is no wonder than why ospA,B & C don't export the plasminogen pathways in the gut and bind up export systems to eradicate parasites completely.
The entire process gets very complicated. But I'm glad your able to understand the process.
Brad
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Wow! Finally, someone who can understand Marnie!
Thank goodness...
(I can't but I felt she know what she's talking about.)
Now, if we could only translate it so the lay people can understand.
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hmmm...the wiki page says filaria die from doxy since they need the bacteria they have inside (symbiosis) but it takes 8 weeks.
Probably have to use doxy longer (....)
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Northernlights,
I read that about the filaria dying from the doxy and thought that was interesting. The only problem is that it doesn't kill the eggs and the adults and the cycle continues.
Could explain why some people get some relief from taking doxy. It could be a good adjuct in keeping the load down.
Sparkle,
I agree that Hulda Clark is one smart woman. I saved the link you posted in my favorites to read later.
Marnie,
Interesting about the garlic, onion issue. I wonder how they came to that conclusion?
Treepatrol,
I know someone who keeps in touch with JamesCase20....Seems he thinks Lactic Acid holds some kind of antibacterial action...that was the big mystery he wouldn't reveal....That was about a month ago, don't know what it is now
Gael
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Doxy is very effective against fliarial worms.
Parasitic filarial worms cause lymphatic filariasis. Can cause elephantiasis as well. Doxy works best with a combination of diethylcarbamazine and albendazole.
Doxycycline targets symbiotic bacterium and Wolbachia. Bacteria that live inside the filarial worms. Many filarial cases are caused by the Brugia.
Binds with ribosomes and inhibit bacterial protein synthesis. Due to high degree of lipoid solubility and low affinity for calcium binding.
Dethylcarbamazine and albendazole is most effective in treating. Is Bacteriostatic, exerts antimicrobial effect and inhibition of protein synthesis.
Specta similar to tetracycline, and cross resistance is common. Gotta watch for (MIC) minimym inhibitory concentration. If MIC is too low, than it's all ineffective.
Kirby Bauer used disc susceptibility. Gives a zone. Important to have correct dose or intracellular baceria live, again the MIC comes into play.
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