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BlueCheetah
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Hi everyone,

My best friend who also has Lyme and I really need to do some sort of liver detox. I have done the Standard Processes 3 weeks detox in the past. I really wanted to do the Hulda liver cleanse but I cannot do the epsom salts due to magnesium issues. My cardiologist said absolutely no magnesium. So that is out for me.

My best friend is having a real issue with psoriasis and we are both having yeast issues. I feel we really need to detox now before we hit treatment hard again.

Which of these 3 detoxes would you recommend. We really are looking for something to detox the liver and GI tract.

- Pekana Big Three Detoxification & Drainage Kit

- STANDARD PROCESS DETOXIFICATION AND PURIFICATION SYSTEM

- DrNatura

Thank you! [Smile]

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Lyme, Babesia Microti, possible Bart.

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Pekana makes great products.

Other things to consider when doing a cleanse of any sort:

No smoking

No alcohol

Going to bed early and eating nurturing homemade food.

Have you considered adding anything in too for support? Many people have had good luck with alternative protcols like Zhang's, Cowden's or Buhners herbs, infrared light, homeopathy, emotional therapy or groups like IRT.

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There are other liver flush's you can try that aren't as severe. You can do a liver flush without epsom salt. I would really do a parasite detox first, though.

Check Dr. Schulze's website. He has some good products. The drainage products may be good but to me doing a liver detox is very physical.

There's stuff in there that has to be moved. Make sure your bowels & kidneys are clear, kill the parasites, then detox the liver.

The lymph will flow better when the liver is clear. There's alot of info on Curezone about liver flushes.

Everyone is different. This is just what I have learned in regards to myself.

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I have done a flush in the past which does not require Epsom salts, and it works really well.

I am not a doctor, so please do not take this as medical advice, disclaimer, disclaimer...

Eat only apples for one day. Any kind will do. Ok to drink unsweetened apple juice, and plenty of water.

At bedtime, blend 2/3 cups of olive oil with 1/3 cup fresh lemon or grapefruit to drink. Go to bed immediately and lie on right side for as long as possible. Try to rest the next day.

It's from this book, which has a ton of information about detox, regeneration diets, etc.:

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Whole-Foods-Traditions-Nutrition/dp/1556434308

(no I'm not affiliated).

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Personally, I detest the terms "flush" "cleanse" and even "detox" as it can make it seem something like an oil change for someone's car. Some of the methods can actually be very hard on one's liver.


The way I see it, "Detox" is not so much of an event as a life style that supports liver function and, when necessary, extra care from supplements and diet changes.


Here is a set of links I've collected over time. There may be some helpful information here:

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From Townsend Letter:

http://www.highbeam.com/library/docfreeprint.asp?docid=1G1:130779774&ctrlInfo=Round20%3AMode20d%3ADocFree%3APrint&print=yes


Liver support: an evidence-based review & call for research.(Naturopathic Perspectives)

Discussed at length:

Bupleurum

Schizandra

Phosphatidyl choline,

Inositol, Milk

Thistle Seed (Silybum marianum),

Turmeric (Curcuma longa),

Dandelion root (Taraxacum officinale),

Artichoke (Cynara scolymus),

and Other Liver Supportive Botanicals such as Andrographis Paniculata and Picrorhiza Kurroa . . . .


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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/understanding-the-liver.html

Understanding the Liver

Excerpt:

. . . Individual variations in our cytochrome P40 enzymes help to demystify why there are so many variations in how we respond to drugs and herbs. . . .


- Full chapter at link above.

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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/special-diets-for-illness.html


Special Diets for Illness


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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/herbs-to-help-the-liver.html


Herbs to Help the Liver

Excerpt:

. . .

The important thing to remember is that the liver is a hot (metabolically active) organ, and so tends to get congested and inflamed.

. . .

Protection

Turmeric root, wheat sprouts, schisandra berries, amla fruit, beet root and milk thistle seed are among the major sources of protective anti-oxidants for the liver cells, as are fruits that contain flavonoids, especially citrus fruits.


These should be used to prevent development of inflammatory disease, or for damage protection as in the case of persons taking strong chemical drugs or undergoing chemotherapy.


Deficiency

The liver can become weakened and deficient. If this is not corrected, it can lead to liver atrophy and depletion of glycogen stores, even hepatitis. Signs include fatigue, low blood pressure, hypoglycemia, dry eyes, headache, heat symptoms and irritability . . . .


Heat and Inflammation

To remove excess liver inflammation with heat signs or toxins . . . .

. . .

Pain

If there is liver inflammation with signs of pain and tension, use herbs that calm the liver and move the blood . . . .

. . .

- Full chapter at link above.


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www.itmonline.org/5organs/liver.htm


The 5 Organs Network of Chinese Medicine - Liver


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NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)


If milk thistle is not on your plan, NAC might be considered:


This, from a protocol for Chlamydia Pneumonia (Cpn) which is a similar chronic stealth infection. This treatment protocol is also similar to that of chronic lyme.


This is what one of the protocol authors says about the power of NAC to help protet the liver:


http://www.cpnhelp.org/liverprotection


Dr. Stratton Cautions on Protecting the Liver

. . . "Surprisingly, the only anti-chlamydial agent that did not cause hepatitis in some patients was NAC. In fact, NAC is recognized as being protective.


See attached references.


My conclusion is that NAC should be the first agent in an anti-chlamydial regimen and should be a constant part of the therapy for this protective effect, not to mention it's effect against elementary bodies.


. . . more at link above.


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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art2168&zTYPE=2


The Liver: Detoxifying This Vital Organ Nourishes Overall Health and Vitality - By Sherrill Sellman, ND


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http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?ProdID=art1890&zTYPE=2


Liver Protection: Laying the Foundation for Optimal Hepatic Health - By Kathy E. Acquistapace, DC, NHP, CNC


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Topic: PORPHYRIA LINKS - Re: Cytochrome P-450 liver detox pathway


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METHYLATION ?

From TerryK, this is a very important consideration for some patients and the way their liver can metabolize:


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/77338


Topic: methylation panel?

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In addition to information Terry has posted there, she says:

There is a page on lymeinfo.net about methylation but it just covers the theory behind the simplified protocol and not really methylation cycle issues in general.

http://www.lymeinfo.net/methylationblock.html


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