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I started my rife machine this week- its an EMEM3D. I only did it for 1 minute at the 612 frequency. Do any of you who have this machine, turn it off to program another frequency in, or can you in the beginning program in 612 and then for example 712 for Tinnitis. Does the machine rotate thru these frequencies automatically? I know I have to turn off the digital readout meter when I run the rife machine so just not sure how to do more than one frequency.
I used the machine on Thurs. and this is Sat. and didn't have any problems that would keep me on the couch so that was good. Felt pretty tired on the day after and a slight headache the day of was all. So knowing this maybe try the machine again in 7 days instead of the 12 that some of you have suggested and increase my rifing to 2 minutes? I will also call the maker of the machine on Monday but thanks for any imput.
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Marnie
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612 Hz? Why?
Did you do a "general program" first to rid old vaccines, etc.?
Are you pouring in probiotics?
Abx AND EM therapies WILL destroy our "good guys" too.
There is a huge danger to using machines without learning how to use them safely...
FIRST.
And what needs to be supplemented when using them.
Do not take any pill without reading the pharmacist's instructions on the side of the bottle.
Know what you are supposed to do/not do FIRST.
Learn, learn, learn...and THEN make an informed choice and do it right or it won't work.
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Not all models of rife will automatically run programs. Mine is an EMEM5 and I have to do the manual switching. My guess is your model is the same in that regard.
Did you use your machine two days in a row on lyme frequencies?
For EMEM5 machines, Lyme is supposed to be treated only every twelve days. Not seven, not any other number. Twelve days apart for lyme treatments or you could have liver and kidney failure. Seriously.
Even if you use less time, which is often needed, do not increase the frequency of treatments.
This is not a mere suggestion but a requirement if you don't want major damage. It is impossible to guess if you are feeling better enough or not. The Twelve day treatment plan has reason to it.
Please call your mfg. and don't do any lyme frequencies until then. It's too soon.
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As I have been instructed with my EMEM5, I'm supposed to end all sessions with 10K to lessen inflammation and help lymph.
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By using this machine inappropriately not only do you endanger your own health and life but the livelihood and life of the manufacturer and his family and all the patients who rely on rife treatments.
If you have any idea of doing your own plan with this, you need to first learn what happens when your kidneys fail. It's not a good thing.
If anything that goes wrong, it's all over for all of us. Please follow instructions precisely. Get it from the mfg and not just from a post here or there as suggestions here and there may not be accurate. Be sure to read Rosner's book about Rife.
Good luck. I hope you connect on Monday. But if your mfg. is the same as mine, weekends are really the best time. Just never during meal time or family time.
There are many types of rife machines that all have varying suggestions on frequencies/times/supplements.
I would be interested to know where this 12 day guideline comes from?
I mean, if I am herxing from antibiotics I don't stop them for 12 days.? Where is the difference, especially if i am not always rifing lyme frequencies?
I have never had any symptoms I would consider dangerous as a result of rifing as much as 3 times a week for 60 min. a session.
please educate me, I feel like I am missing something here. Do you know of these bad things happening to people?? I just have never heard of it happening. Posts: 26 | From Napa, Ca | Registered: Apr 2009
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I have not heard of liver or kidney failure either. That said, Keebler is well researched, so maybe she has something that she is able to cite in regards to this.
I have my EMEM5 and have not begun to use it yet. If used properly Lakes, I think you will be fine.
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Well the responses I got on my question scared me too. It was not my intent to scare people with my question on Rifing. I am trying to educate myself on this and do realize it is not something to be toyed with. I am NOT setting my own program- just trying to learn how others are running their machines (how often to run, length of time particularly those with the same machine I have -EMEM3D.)
I have only rifed one time for one minute on one frequency and was not planning on doing the lyme frequency again for 12 days. And YES, I am under a doctor's care getting necessary supplements, blood tests monthly, and detoxing!
Brian Rosner's book doesn't mention run time every 12 days that I can see. Maybe this time frame is from a manufacturer? I've only read about 12 days on this forum.
And yes,I do feel I am kind of alone on using the Rife Machine - that is why I am posting here.
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Yikes! Marnie and Keebler - I love you both dearly - but are you trying to give the guy a heart attack? He sure won't have to worry about liver or kidney failure then. It is important to warn others to use caution with ANY treatment, but there's a fine line between giving gentle, cautious advice and runnning people off as a result of fear mongering and being overly harsh...especially when they're obviously new to the site with only 6 posts.
That being said BTT, it would be wise to wait a few more days. I have the the same machine and the information that was given to me when I recieved it was that after the first treatment, follow up with a second treatment 7 days later. All subsequent treatments should be 12 days apart. This is what I did, and I'm still alive and kickin'
BTT, on your next treatment I recommend using the frequency 432, 800 and 4328. These are lyme-specific and proven. Run all 3 for 2 minutes each. As Keebler said end with 2 min. on 10,000. This will give you a total rife time of 8 minutes. With your machine you'll have to put the numbers in manually. I garauntee that you'll have more than a mild reaction if you follow this, and you won't have any desire to go near your machine again for at LEAST 12 days, LOL.
As far as liver and kidney damage...that's a possibility with any lyme treatment. You have to listen to your own body and intuition. If you push too far too fast when treating you'll know it and be less inclined to make that mistake again. Rife machines are wonderful...I've told everybody that I believe rifing really helped me turn the corner.
So! Wait a few more days and then have at it!
Lauren
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Yes, scaring people with possible liver or kidney failure is over the top. However, the machines are to be respected, as their effects can be powerful! You don't want a herx that is too strong, that point is well taken.
I wouldn't even do more than one frequency at a time, until you gauge your response to it, aside from 10K. Eventually, you don't have to stick to every 12 days, but that is way down the line, when you've had LOTS of experience with how you react to different frequencies. Even then, you can get thrown for a loop, if you do too much time on a new frequency.
But liver and kidney failure?? I have never heard of it! And I've been rifing and researching rifing for many, many years. However, people have ended up with herxes so bad that they ended up in the ER---or just suffered for a quite a while. That's not a good idea.
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I'll try to explain.
First...IV antibiotics post op (fever spike immediately post op = docs thought infection) ->
my dad going into toxic hepatitis and shut down his one remaining good kidney...permanently.
Our body can only "handle" so much so fast...that includes processing abx (!!!)(usually thru the liver, but some have to pass thru the kidneys) as well as the
toxins released when pathogens are killed.
GO SLOW. Do NOT overtax your liver or kidneys.
Go to the following website and when there, use your edit key to find "kidney":
EM therapies, oxygen therapies (which increase "free radicals") and the EM therapies ALL can destroy our BENEFICIAL bacteria too.
PUMP IN THE PROBIOTICS...varieties of them. Take them with a FULL glass of water one hour before a meal (the water helps to prevent our very strong stomach acids from killing the probiotics) and the "timing" allows them to "reach" their final "destination".
And get your Mg level back UP.
If anyone wants to learn more about Rife therapy:
``...it needs to be pointed out that this device
has not been approved for use on humans.
It probably ***should not be used near those with heart pacers or irregular heart rate.***
It is a research device only that you use at your own risk.''
Video of the machine I used and so did the lyme patient, One-Speed-Greg, years ago (it is a very ``flexible'' machine re: programming abilities): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU6d8tXqKKA
That machine is EXTREMELY powerful.
Europeans (note the woman in the chair should have had some skin exposure for better effect! And do NOT look into the light...a brief glance won't hurt, but do NOT stare at the light.):
Infrared devices (as compared to frequency devices) have been FDA ``approved'' to assist healing and help with pain.
I don't have lyme, but I am experimenting with a Photon 90 machine which looks to be FAR less powerful than the "German" machine...yet it seems to be helping a little (I'm running the Nico setting for 30 min. gently placing my feet on the infrared pad.)
Part of the problems here are because so many are using so many DIFFERENT abx, DIFFERENT machines, DIFFERENT supplement...
Combined with the underlying differences in our genetic make-up.
Which is making it hard to find a "one-size fits all" SAFE and CHEAP and EFFECTIVE CURE.
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Marnie, I completely agree with the probiotics and the rife, and people never talk about that when using rife machines. Rifing DOES kill beneficial bacteria as well, so supplementing probiotics is very important.
I hate to hear that about your Dad. How is your sister doing by the way?
Lauren
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Unless you are doing wide sweeps, you do not have much chance of killing any other bacteria than the one you are targeting. Each species has its own particular resonance that will damage it.
Probiotics are never a bad idea. I know people that improve health wise using nothing else. If nothing else, it keeps the bad bacteria in check.
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How did they come up with pathogen-specific frequencies?
Did they manually tune through frequencies and see through a scope what would kill spirochetes? Babesia protozoas?
If there's a frequency lethal to Babesia then it seems that it should knock it out once and for all as I don't think there is a cyst or CWD form of babs?
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Just wanted to add my two cents in here. I am very new to Rife and using a machine that is being used by another Lyme patient out of the goodness of his heart as I am broke.
I have done extensive reading on this machine and how it works, etc. Although it is not FDA approved, and there are quackery posts stating they don't work, etc. etc. etc., I have to say that I have now done two treatments and I am definitely Herxing. I have never had a Herxheimer reaction before using a Rife machine, but from everything I have read, I am definitely Herxing.
I just want to also add, that I have Never seen anywhere from all of the reading I have done, that a Rife machine can cause either Liver or Kidney damage.
In fact, I did read that there are No documented cases of harm coming to humans from using the device.
Just wanted to point that out as this is contradictory to what is being said above and I've googled everywhere to try and substantiate those statements to no avail.
Brad
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Keebler
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TicInfested,
Have you gotten the instructions directly from the person who made the machine you are using? When possible, that really helps.
This is where you will find out much more that is not on the web. The people who make these machines have done far more research than is available to us. These are the people from whom I gathered my facts, during extensive conversations over time.
If used for lyme frequencies too often, definite damage can occur to liver and kidneys. Failure is a distinct possibility as the body just can't keep up with getting out the toxins from the die-off. That can take a couple weeks, so that is why more frequent use can be dangerous.
The key is following instructions and not pushing the time either in frequency of use or in time for each frenquency. If instructions are followed, all should be well. If a herx is too strong, less time, less often may be needed. Still, if one does not "feel" a herx, that does not mean that the body can take more. There's a lot going on behind the scenes.
A herx is to be avoided if at all possible. It is not a badge of honor but a sign to back down a bit and offer more support to the liver and kidney, etc. - and generally take as good care of ourselves as possible.
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Still haven't seen where people died? serious injury?
I agree people should go slow.
What is the "german" machine you are referring to?
Skin exposure really has no bearing on the treatment. It is not the light, but the EM radiation that penetrates tissue for effect. The visible light is really just a side effect - not the treatment.
And FWIW, the beam ray (in the links you posted) is the only manufacturer vying for FDA approval afaik.
just some thoughts, chris
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