Topic: To all the Rifers! Please try the parasite and babs frequencies!
lymielauren28
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This is gonna be long, so bear with me
Okay, I've been using abx and Rifing for almost a year now. So far had only used the Lyme frequencies on my machine. I also treated babs with mepron, malarone and zith for close to a year. I stopped all anti-malarials almost 3 months ago and thought I had finally kicked the babs.
Well about a week or so ago my babs symptoms came roaring back. Cough, air hunger, fatigue, no appetite, weakness, etc. Well yesterday morning I woke up and I was so ill I couldn't walk without hanging on to something - just really, realy sick.
I pulled out my machine and figured what the heck. I rifed using 2 parasite frequencies (20 and 27) for 1 minute each and then 570 for babs for 2 minutes.
I've NEVER had such a strong and immediate reaction. Within about 2 minutes of rifing I got a "crawling" sensation all over my body. I got dizzy, I started sweating PROFUSELY, and then I started twitching and jerking uncontrollably. I also had this weird vibrating sensation in different parts of my body, most especially my face.
With all of this going on, I was not freaked out at all - I felt very calm and almost peaceful. I went and crawled in the bed and just rolled with it. All of this only lasted for about 45 minutes or so and then just gradually tapered off. For the rest of the day I felt unbelievable! It was like I had never been sick at all. I cleaned my house, went to walmart, and then went and visited a friend of mine.
I got back home, and about 7:30 last night I got so tired I couldn't hold my eyes open (that never happens to me before 2 am ha!) so I went ahead and went to bed. I JUST woke up. That's 17 hours of sleep! So...how do I feel now? Horrible, lol. My muscles are extremely tight and achey and I just feel fluey.
But I am so impressed with my machine and my reaction to those frequencies that I just had to share it with all you other rifers. I hope you guys will try the parasite and babs frequencies if you haven't already.
I'm with Gael who does salt/c - I believe most of us suffer from parasites and they need to be treated....
Lauren
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I am so impressed that you did not freak out and, instead, "just rolled with it."
That thing we all do when we feel better, cleaning the house, running errands, visiting a friend . . . that might have tipped the scales a bit.
Thanks for all the details, as knowing your experience will help others plan around all this to not over do and to expect to need to rest.
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Thanks Keebler! No doubt I way over did it - a bad habit of mine. I just really didn't expect much when I decided to rife for the babs and parasites. I'm ecstatic at the reaction! I'll know from now on to take it easy.
My big question now is how often to rife for these. We know that babs and parasites replicate MUCH faster than Lyme...I guess I'll just have to play it by ear...
Lauren
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I know that babs is tough to get rid of and may need to be treated for more often.
I do not know how often, but more often than Lyme treatments need to be done.
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Lauren,
From what I've read:
Wait until your symptoms die down a bit and give it a couple more days beyond that, then rife with caution for these other frequencies.
At first, I would not do frequencies for both parasites and babesia. It's best to address just one and you can have a better idea of what's reacting.
Employ good liver support, too - please, please, please. And a diet rich in fiber is vital to move stuff on out, too.
Adrenal support may also help prevent some of the reactions.
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Hi Lauren,
Thanks for the vote of confidence about the parasite issue. It's empowering when you can identify the enemy. Keebler is right about the fiber and liver support to move things out. I would also listen to her about the cautions when using the Rife.
Pace, not race with any protocol. I don't have a rife machine, but I understand their pretty good. Glad you had a good response, stay brave and get well.
Gael
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Lauren,
I'm getting a little confused over here. All three of those frequencies you list are Babs Frequencies according to DT's freq. list.
We were just talking about this yesterday. Look at what Tickalert says in his post from yesterday. He is using 20 and 27 for Babs.
I do see 20 on the CAFL list amongst many many numbers listed for Ringworm and Roundworm. 20 is also used for Nausea, Morgellans, and tons of other things, even moles :-) I don't even see 27 listed on there for anything.
570 is the most popular Freq. used for Babs. I have see most using 570 on just about every post I have read on Rife and Babs. Have you used this before ? If not, it might explain a massive die off and the relief you got.
I do believe Parasites are a big part of this, so you know.
Just trying to clarify what you were treating.
I you have been using 570 and not 20 and 27, then perhaps you are on to something.
I don't know how accurate DT's freq. list is, but again, it shows 20 and 27 for Babesia on my list.
I rifed yesterday as well and had a similar reaction to what your describing. Look what I wrote in the above post.
I just didn't update that I slept for 14 hours instead of the 8 I normally do. I had a nice relaxing evening starting at about 7pm. And woke up as you describe. Now, just a residual headache. And probably in for a bigger one trying to figure this stuff out :-0
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lymielauren28
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The next time I rife I'm only going to use the parasite frequencies and see what happens.
My gut instinct is that the brunt of the reaction was from those frequencies rather than the babs, but I could be wrong. The only way to find out is to do them seperately.
I get the "crawling" sensation a lot as well as some twitches and jerks but I always attributed them to Lyme...now I'm thinking it could be some unknown parasitic infection. I'll definately wait until the herxing subsides and like Keebler said give it a couple more days just to make sure.
As far as liver support, I'm taking this stuff called Detoxifiber and also milk thistle, and drinking tons of green tea and lemon water. I ordered some chitopower this morning - I've heard it's really good stuff.
Gael, it absolutely is empowering to know what your dealing with and when you find something that YOU KNOW works. I think it's great that you've had such success with the salt/c! I think it's great that my rife machine is helping ME and killing pathogens. We all have to find our own way out of this mess. I've been made fun of and laughed at for rifing, but I couldn't care less. These things are the real deal, and they've made a believer out of me.
Are they a cure all? Are they for everyone? No, but neither is anything else including abx....
Lauren
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Hey twister, just saw your post. The list I have lists 20 and 27 as "parasite" frequecies. It doesn't specify what type of parasites. I used 570 for babs b/c that seems to be the ne most often used.
Are you saying that 20 and 27 are babs frequencies also? Hmmm. Now I'm confused! Like I said above - I plan on rifing again in a few days after this herx dies down. When I do it again I'm gonna just use 20 and 27 and see what happens. Then the next time just 570 to see what happens.
It IS a headache trying to figure all this out, lol. Trial and error...it's the only way my friend!
Lauren
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Lauren, how long have you been Rifing ?
I only ask because just a few days in between Rifing is asking for trouble. Especially, if your new to Rifing.
Don't forget, whatever you killed off now becomes toxins in the body. More than likely you will feel the Neurotoxin effects of the die off in the days to come.
Again, I didn't make this up, it's what I have read from others. Thats why Rosner says to wait 2 weeks in between Rife sessions. His other reason is that increase in frequency doesn't mean more killing. That one I don't agree with, but who really knows. Better to be safe than sorry.
I have personally made the mistake of Rifing too frequently and have paid the price, nothing permanent, but many unpleasant days that didn't have to be.
If I had it my way, I'd sit in front of the machine for hours and kill as much as I could rather than go through 2 years of Hell or longer, but I think that would kill me or anyone for that matter.
Have you done 570 before ? Just curious as you say you did 2 minutes. If your using an EMEM machine, 2 min. is pretty good exposure time. I have been Rifing for 4 months and havn't been able to go past 1 min. on each frequency to this point.
It all comes down to your bacterial load, so they say.
Please be careful,
LT
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lymielauren28
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Hey twister,
I've been rifing for almost a year now but only for Lyme - until yesterday I'd never done any babesia or parasite frequencies, so no I'd never used 570. Prior to Rifing I was on abx for about 2 years and antimalarials for almost a year. I do feel that they helped to reduce my bacterial loads. I also seem to detox really well and have always had a fast metabolism. I'm lucky in that respect.
I would never rife for lyme more often than every 2 weeks, but I'm going to try and rife more often for babs and parasites b/c I know they replicate faster.
I'm up to about 10 minutes time on the lyme frequencies, but again I was on abx for almost 2 years prior and I also detox really well.
Lauren
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I could buy a rife, tune it to the Lyme/Babs/Bart frequencies and leave it on 24 hrs. Who would win? Me or the bugs?
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seekhelp,
I can sense your wry humor here but, just to be safe in case someone new is reading who might take that idea and run with it, 24 hours with a rife would do you in, for sure and the machine would also be toast, no doubt.
Rife treatments are intended to be used for lyme frequencies no more often than every 12 days and for a number of minutes.
Since when the lyme bacteria dies, the spirochetes can overwhelm the liver and kidneys as they try to filter all the debris . . . extending the time beyond what the liver and kidneys can handle can cause serious damage, even kidney or liver failure.
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But, somewhat along that line, listening to music that resonates with you might be a way to get some great healing frequencies.
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I was kidding Keebler to clarify. I should have said that more clearly - I'm sorry.
However, I always wondered if you did something like that and we're put into a medical-induced coma, could you rid the body of the toxins when you wake up?
Would that prove once and for all the IDSA idiots that say herxes don't exist that this stuff is real if done in front of their faces? It's a sad way to prove it, but....
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Seek,
I thought you were but there are some folks - oh, my . . . my sentences are all on a wavy line now. too long here . . .
as for a detox coma, if you can't properly eliminate, it would be very hard to do. One really must be able to fully move out the toxins. Better stay awake, eh?
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Lauren,
I think 570 is what you felt. Your last answer to me answers many questions I had with your initial post in this thread.
I belonged to Rosners Lyme Rife group before it was shut down.
570 Causes big Herx's especially when first treating. I hope your right about your detox pathways. Mine are not so good, or so it seems.
In Rosners book, he states 2 min. is for an advanced user, not a first time user. I don't think Rosner is the god of Rife, but he did lots and lots of research to make his book. In addition, he was treating himself. DT tells me he bought 5 of his EMEM machines to treat his other friends and family.
My point is, the guy is passionate about Rife and has done his homework. There isn't another book on Rife dedicated to Lyme, so his book is like our bible. I use that and the reports of others to decide how I proceed in my own recovery.
Thats why I asked you so many questions and I always jump on these Rife threads. I don't push it, I try and learn it. Like I said, I have made a few mistakes along the way and I'm just trying to save you from making the same.
You havn't answered whether your using an EMEM machine, but I assume that you are.
Rosner also talks about delayed Herx's. I get them all of the time. What happens is you kill off a big load which is a little load in the big picture, but even still, you get good relief from your symptoms for a day or so. Then the toxins get into the blood stream and cause the rest of your problems until they have cleared. I think 2 weeks is a pretty good standard for most.
When I rifed one week after the other, I paid big time. I have since backed off to every 2 weeks. In some cases I have waited three weeks, but I also do Salt/C, so I am getting double whammied.
Considering this is the first time you have treated Babs with Rife, I don't think you could possibly know what your detox pathways are. This is much different than Salt/C, or Abx. You are killing much much more at a time with Rife.
I hope my advice helps you. Others tried to warn me like I'm trying to do to you. When I didn't listen, I paid the price.
Lastly, you have it backwards about the replication. Babs and Bart go through mitosis every 3-4 weeks and Lyme is much faster, I forget the time, but I know I have the order correct.
LT
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Do you have a source for the replication times for Babs and Bart? I have been looking for this information but have not been able to find it.
It would help a lot to know for sure what this time frame is.
Dan
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Twister, thanks for the heads up. I unxderstand your concern, and appreciate it, but you also have to remember that we're all different.
I have the book by Rosner...if you go to the back and read user reports you'll see that some people did better rifing once a week, some every 2 weeks, and some only once a month. I'm not advocating treating more often, I'm just sayin'...
We're all different.
I'd like a source on the replication times too, if you have it. I'd always heard that babs reproduces fast. I know when I was on abx and anti-malarials that I could stop abx for quite a while before symptoms started to return. However, the couple of times that I took a break from babs meds, within 3-4 days my symptoms would return. It scared me how fast it would all come back.
My personal experience with this led me to believe that babs reproduced more quickly...
Lauren
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I have been searching and can't find the links. I know I have read this in more than one place, just not bookmarked. All I do is Read Read Read, it seems.
I will tell you I have emailed a few LLMD's in the past and I have been told by more than one, that they treat co-infections first because of this reason.
It's the best I can do at the moment, but will look into it more tomorrow.
Lauren, I hear ya, re: the testimonials. Certainly, you won't kill yourself if you Rife in again in the next few days.
It's your call. I was just looking out for ya. Hope I didn't offend ya.
LT
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From your posts, you seem to be doing better than before Lymetwister. Do you feel you are over the hump now?
I know you had one hell of a time with early treatments, like many do. I really hope you have turned the corner now.
As a side note, my wife is treating with the DNA derived Lyme and Babesia frequencies every other day unless she shows signs of distress.
Since I have been treating her for about three years now, I feel, and so does she, that this amount of treatment is doable at this time. We finished the second treatment earlier today and she is feeling better than she did before we treated.
I do not recommend this for anyone else, but offer it up as how effective this method of treatment is over the long haul. At one time she could only take a short run time and had to wait a couple of weeks before she could even think about another treatment.
Stick with it, and it will pay off. If you are having trouble, focus on eliminating waste products. That seems to be the biggest road block for many methods of treatment, this one included.
Here is to a better year for all of the Lymies out there.
Dan
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Hey Dan, thanks for inquiry.
If I could get rid of this Vertigo, it's really more of a nuisance than anything. It was gone all day and just came back about an hour ago.
Dan, you know how it goes. A couple good days, then a bunch of bad ones.
Just like Lauren, I'm getting the benefit effect from my Rife session yesterday.
My anxiety is down, which is huge for me. I have been feeling pretty clear in the head and lately my emotions have been intact.
I thought I was losing it there for a while. I'm in one of those, "I might be turning the corner" modes as I have been there before.
I just have to hope and pray that this one is for real.
I'll be sure to keep you updated. Your a great guy and appreciate all of your advice along the way, including all the PM's we've had back and forth.
What are these " DNA derived Lyme and Babesia frequencies " you speak of ? I have never heard of this. Was she tested for them and given certain numbers to Rife with. I'm interested in this.
Have a good night,
LT
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LN member Thane had success with Rife and babs. I think he basically got rid of it after a few sessions (if I recall correctly). I think he talks about it on his youtube blog.
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10 minute video mostly about rife. He's basically just talking. he mentions, at the end, silver and allicin but mostly he's assuring people that if they can't get abx tx, there are other ways with rife, etc.
At 4:50 into the video he says that the frequency of 570 Hertz will kill Babesia. He does say how long to use it or how often.
She has developed a mathematical model that she derives effective frequencies to kill bacteria and viruses.
It has worked for other diseases, but if it will work for Lyme is unknown to me. I intend to find out. If it works or not, I will post the results once I am convinced one way or another.
This is basically my attempt to fully destroy the disease. I hope it works for my wife's sake, and everyone else it could help.
Dan
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I have been using someone elses rife machine, but they have taught me a lot.
#1 the die off creates amonia. I use l-ornathine to help aliminate the amonia.
I also do an ionic foot bath, to help with the detox as well as take other support for kidneys and liver.
Be careful if you go after parasites. When you kill parasites, don't forget they have bacteria and viruses that come for us.
Hulda Clark has a series of mop up frequencies. I do not have them. I got very sick when I went after my parasites. I will be looking for the mop up frequencies myself.
Wishing you well.
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Twister, you didn't offend me at all! I'm just stubborn, that's all
But trust me, I won't be going anywhere near my machine until this herx subsides. Oh yeah, I do have the EMEM.
One interesting thing that happened earlier...I got sooo irritable and moody, and I mean it was bad. One minute I was fine and the next minute I wanted to strangle somebody. I didn't of course, but I did yell at my husband for nothing and then at my dog because he was breathing down my neck. Poor dog - he knows when I'm feeling bad and won't leave my side.
I haven't felt like that in a long time...it's passed now thank goodness. I feel back to my old laid back self! Anyways, never had an "emotional" reaction to rifing before, so that was interesting.
Bergy, good luck with the DNA frequencies and let us know how it goes. Your wife is lucky to have you! Gail thanks for the heads up on the parasite issue, I'll definately keep that in mind. Metallic, just wrote those frequencies down - thanks!
Lauren
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Lauren,
I have had those. I call them emotional Herx's. I have had the "irritability" and even "crying spells". They arn't much fun, but I always know it's part of the Herx. I thank god that I havn't had them lately.
My Herx's are getting shorter in duration, so hopefully I can begin to increase my exposure time.
It seems many are coming in this direction as DT now has a 1 month back order on his EMEM. This just might be the primary standard down the road. I hope to see more success stories with Rife as time passes.
I can only say one thing about Rosner, he is 100% correct when he talks about the first 4 months being total Hell. I am just finishing this point so hopefully the burning flames will now be behind me.
Please keep us posted on your progress.
LT
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Uuuugh. Okay, apparently the emotional thing is still going strong. I'm a basket case this morning. I've been crying on and off for the last hour since I woke up. I just feel incredibly depressed and sad for no reason. I HATE this feeling.
The only time I felt like this was when I was on abx for Bart, and that was over a year ago. I've never experienced this when rifing for Lyme. Tell me it gets better!!
I've noticed that more and more people are turning towards rife too, which I think is great. I think it's one of the best things we have right now to fight this disease. It also helps b/c we can all compare notes and learn from each other.
For you - I hope your past the total hell part too. It's so hard isn't it?
Lauren
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Lauren,
So sorry you are going through this today. Know it will be short lived, then a few days of feeling better, only to do it all over again.
I know exactly what your feeling. It's like the "I want me mommy" thing. It's a feeling of total despair, and a fear that you are now trapped this way forever.
I promise you, it will lift in the days to come. Now you have to detox bigtime.
I have had huge success with:
Coffee Enemas-- I do these when the Nausea hits
Bentonite Clay from Vita Cost-- Awesome for detox (it swells in the colon and carries a neg. charge to suck out all the bad stuff including heavy metals) Make sure you take it with Psyllium husk if your gonna use it.
Epsom Salt Baths-- These clear my head up like there is no tomorrow in just 30 min. I use a pound sometimes 3 x week if needed.
Of course I'm doing supps too:
CoQ10, Mag, Probiotics, Vit. D, Vit. B5, Omega 3, Vit. C with Salt/C protocol to name a few.
Hang in there. From what I've read the co-infections are the toughest to deal with. I use Babs and Bart at the same time when I rife. Perhaps this is why I am stuck at 1 minute.
Again, my Herx was short lived this time around and I hope to now be able to go up on exposure time.
If your stubborn, than you sound like me. You just want to kill and be done with it. I was type A personality and the life of the party before this stuff hit me. I had to learn to be type B personality to deal with this crap.
Be sure when it's over, I'll be back to my old self, Type A.
Maybe you can join me outside the gates of Oprahs house and camp out with signs about Lyme as she goes in and out of her mansion. We have to get the word out for everyone. This is my goal when it's all over.
Hang in there. PM if you need to. I'm here for ya.
LT
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