Leelee
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I just got the results back from my stool/saliva testing with Diagnos-Techs and I don't understand a thing.
My next LLMD appointment isn't until June 25 so if anyone could shed some light on my results I would really appreciate it.
Here are the things that were reported as abnormal:
Klebsiella/Enterobacter/Serratia Group - Abundant
Enterococcus species - Abundant
Alpha Hemolytic Streptococcus - Abundant
Corynebacterium species - Abundant
Total Intestinal SIgA (stool) 20 Reference Range Low: less than 400 mg % dry wt Normal: 400 - 800 Elevated: greater than 880
Chynotrypsin (stool) 3 Reverence Range Normal: greater than 9 U/10g Low: 4 - 9 Abnormally Low: less than 4
Milk (Casein) Ab.SIgA Positive Normal is negative
Soy (Protein) Ab. SIgA Positive Normal is negative
Gliadin Ab. SIgA 42 Positive Borderline: 13 - 15 U/ml Positive: greater than 15 U/ml
Does this mean I have a yeast infection? Also, am I allergic to milk, soy and wheat? Is it possible I have Crohn's Disease?
I tried to google these findings, but I am overwhelming confused.
Thank you so much for helping me!
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It suggests you are allergic to Milk, Soy, and Gluten. It suggests you are highly allergic to gluten. Wheat, oats, barley, rye, etc. should likely be avoided.
It also an imbalance of flora in your GI tract and a number of bacterial issues.
I don't see anything in the above to suggest yeast.
With a low SIgA (your immune system in the gut), it suggests increased risk of infections and also points towards environmental toxins and food allergies.
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Leelee
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SForsgren, Thank you so much!
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Go to Tests and Panels. Then choose Gastrointestinal Health Panel.
It explains some of it. Look at both Patient and Physician info.
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Leelee
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Hi kitty,
Thanks, kitty. I think the website is really good and I also like the report they sent me.
The problem for me is I have never even heard of most of these words. LOL! I can not even imagine trying to pronounce them.
Should I be worried, do you think, with these results? Do you think I need more abx or different ones than the ones I am on for Lyme, babs and bart?
I am going to call my nutritionist tomorrow and make an appointment b/c from what SForsgren kindly explained to me I am allergic to milk, soy and gluten.
I have had stomach issues for so many years and this is the first time I have ever even had an inkling what was causing them. Just like with Lyme, I could not get anyone to listen to me.
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Lymeorsomething
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LeeLee, do you have Celiac Disease? (high Gliadin ab)
I don't see any protozoa there though....at least none I recognize
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Leelee
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Lymeorsomething,
I don't know if I have Celiac Disease or not. Is there another test for it? I am at a loss.
Last year I went to an allergist looking for answers. This was before I was diagnosed with Lyme. I had been sick for years and was getting sicker. I couldn't think what else could be causing my illness.
He did a series of skin prick tests and said I was not allergic to anything so I believed him. Now I see that he was mistaken. So, maybe I have Celiac's disease. I just don't know. Is there a certain kind of doctor I should go to?
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Lymeorsomething
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LeeLee, I don't know what your financial situation is but I know one place where you can order these tests online without a MD 'script but you would have to pay out-of-pocket (but you'd probably have to get an MD at some point anyway)....
Or you could try a gastroenterologist and have them run a Celiac panel...
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I had that high celiac number too. Most docs I talked to didn't believe in that lab or test. All normal celiac panels ran through commercial labs as well as Cleveland Clinic were totally normal. I was told this lab overstates gluten issues a lot, but who knows..
I've been G/F since Aug-08...no help.
They found similar stuff on my test too, but not as much. I couldn't get any docs, including the ordering doc, to treat anything with more than Wormwood Combination from Kroeger Herbs. I think the doc just thought running the test may be fun. lol.
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Leelee
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quote:Originally posted by Lymeorsomething:
I don't see any protozoa there though....at least none I recognize
Is protozoa the same thing as a parasite?
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Leelee- see if you can get his link from immunesopport.com
Breaking News: Dr. De Meirleir on the True Nature of ME/CFS
BREAKING NEWS: Dr. Kenny De Meirleir Announces He has Revealed the True Nature of ME/CFS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) in London Press Conference titled ``ME: End of an Era of Medical Negation"
You have the two bacteria that are discussed as causing excess production of hydrogen sulfate which causes a lot of health problems.
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Leelee
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Thank you sunnymalibu,
I have previously been diagnosed with CFS, but my LLMD and I assumed the Lyme was the cause of it. I will present this information to him.
That was an interesting website.
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Leelee
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Is it possible that with the bacterial overgrowth I have that I have a urinary tract infection?
I am trying not to panic over these results, but I am not doing a very good job.
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Lymeorsomething
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So why don't the lyme abx take care of these? How do you treat them?
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quote:Originally posted by Leelee: Is it possible that with the bacterial overgrowth I have that I have a urinary tract infection?
I am trying not to panic over these results, but I am not doing a very good job.
Leelee, don't panic! Your doctor will be able to explain everything in more detail soon. If you have a urinary tract infection, you would know. Your bladder would be in pain and you would have frequency, urgency and burning.
The bacteria that showed up are bacteria that are in your digestive tract. When we have Lyme, it is easy for us to have other infections as well because of our suppressed immune system. This is normal.
Your doctor can treat those as he/she sees appropriate.
Your high antibody response to gluten shows me that you are possibly Celiac. Ask your doctor for further testing.
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Leelee- ...research has shown that around 90% of patients with ME also have an excess of the bacteria enterococcus and streptococcus, which he believes interacts with exposure to metals to produce hydrogen sulphate.
Some of the treatments for streptococcus are penicillin and clindamycin There are different kinds of streptococcus. Vancomycin is the treatment for enterococcus.
J Infect. 2005 Nov;51(4):e207-11. Links Clindamycin in the treatment of group G beta-haemolytic streptococcal infections.Pillai A, Thomas S, Williams C. Dumfries and Galloway Royal Infirmary, Dumfries, DG1 4AP, UK.
We report a case of severe streptococcal cellulitis in a healthy 47 year old male, where the sole microbial isolate was a beta-haemolytic group G Streptococcus. Treatment failure with high dose penicillin was observed despite in vitro sensitivity. The addition of clindamycin resulted in dramatic clinical improvement. This may indicate an Eagle-type effect (whereby antibiotics exhibit paradoxically reduced bactericidal activities at high drug concentrations), in group G beta-haemolytic infections. Although well documented with group A streptococcal infections, this phenomenon has not been fully recognised with group G beta-haemolytic streptococcal infections. This may have important implications for clinical management.
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bettyg
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to find out if you truly have celiac disease, you have a scope put down your throat into your stomach.
from there, they can take a biopsy to dx it ... yes or no. NO other definite tests that i've heard/remember lately!!
a dietician will need to help you start a new life without those foods! good luck.
i'm struggling; have given some up, but not all!! pizza with wheat in it...
also, as gael would say, have tested for worms also!! my gut has been sick 30-35 yrs. i plan to do this in near future.
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Leelee
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electrolyte, I am relieved to know I could not have a UTI infection. Thank you for explaining that to me. I have been looking on the internet for information about Celiac's disease and I think it is a relevant possibility.
sunnymalibu, I am so grateful to you for explaining in words that I can understand what is going on. My brain doesn't work too well these days, but after reading your post, things are much clearer.
bettyg, Do you have Celiac's then, too? Goodness, our troubles never end, do they? I eat the occasional piece of pizza too and would hate to give that up. Thanks for your reply.
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lee,
i had 2 endoscopies; never knew i could test for celiac at that time!!! so haven't been biopsied!
Leelee
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bettyg, do you think I should have an endoscopy and biopsy done?
I haven't eaten any wheat products since I got the results. It's hard to say if I feel any different or not, yet.
Also, do you or anyone else know if my allergies to milk, soy and wheat, plus all the "abundant" bacteria that I have in my stool is what is making my stomach so miserable?
I frequently have flashes of nausea, diarrhea and my stomach is disproportionately large for my height and general body shape.
I used to attribute all these problems to Lyme and cos. but the results of this test leave me wondering.
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