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Sing02
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Hi all,

About a month ago I started having these weird incomplete bowel movements.

I end up going about 3-4 times between dinner and bedtime and it's still doesn't feel like the colon empties completely...

At the time I also had a sensation on the rectal area but this went away all by itself.

I am more than a year on abx, taking my probiotics and doing detox like a good girl... I'm 37 and my primary is confident the symptoms don't indicate cancer.

However I did not go for colonoscopy yet.

My appetite also increased recently but I'm not sure it's connected.

Could antibiotics play a part here?

If someone had anything similar, could you please let me know because it's very annoying and despite what doc said I'm starting to really freak out.

Thanks!!!

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Sing, it could be the heavy abx use but it could also be a number of gut infections too. I would run some stool testing if you haven't already.

My symptoms are different than yours, but I recently tested positive for cryptosporidium, H pylori, and higher levels of candida recently (despite probiotics).

Also perhaps you have become lactose intolerant. You could try a challenge at some point.

Ultimately, it may just be the lyme screwing with your gut dynamics, but it helps to run the extra tests...

My colonoscopy was good. When I was off abx for 3 months, symptoms did not change so I knew something else was going on...

I'm trying to eradicate H pylori first to see what happens... I'm also running diflucan...

Good luck.

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hi sing,

please schedule a colonoscopy for yourself just to be SURE nothing is happening along that way too.


i'm missing my dear late mom who was also my best friend! [group hug] [kiss] i love you mom an miss you so much!!

july 22, she will be gone 19 years from COLON cancer being in the small intestine when it was caught after 7 years of doctoring. she was sick at the time the challenger blew up.

she HAD no symptoms whatsoever. she just started throwing up after certain foods: mayo, tomatos, and i believe there are 5 other foods in that area.

she had a rare CARCINOID SYNDROME TUMOR CANCER that traveled to her LIVER before they found it! they removed the cancer in colon, alot of small intestine, and could NOT cut into the liver at that time.

since then, a friend of ours got same cancer; they were able to remove a small part of his liver, and he's alive today but recently suffering again.

so although you have live; like me; others ... BE ON THE SAFE SIDE! worst part is drinking that awful stuff in the gallon!!

good luck.

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For sure get a colonoscopy just to be safe. They are painless and hey, Betty. I was able to take pills for mine. Much easier.

You might try a coffee enema. You can research them. They are simple and very good for you. They increase your liver glutathione which is a great detoxifier.

I am thinking you may have a lot of dead bacteria and/or parasites gumming up your intestines and the coffee enema may clear things up.

Here is how it is done. Use an enema bag.

I boil 4 cups purified water (I use reverse osmosis but distilled water is good too) in a stainless steel pan. Stainless steel coffee pots work too. It is important to keep everything pure. I use 2 level tbsps of organic coffee (not decaf) boiled in the 4 cups of water. Strain out the grains and let it cool to room temperature. You don't want hot coffee up there.

Lay on your side and input 2 cups of the coffee. Try to hold 15 mins if possible then expell and repeat laying on the other side.

It takes about 30 mins and you will feel energized afterward, so don't do it right before bedtime.

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As others before me suggested a colonoscopy is an excellent preventative thing to do. I had one done a few years ago and the preparation for it is worse than the actual procedure. Once it's over you probably won't even feel out of sorts at all.

I began having symptoms such as yours a few years ago. I described my bowels as being "untidy" if that makes any sense. They were not normal, yet not terribly right either. I also had sudden urgencies.

I was recently tested for food sensitivities and I am gluten sensitive. I am also sensitive to milk and soy. Having eliminated those three things completely from my diet has made a world of difference.

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I had this long before my Lyme symptoms ever started.

At the time they told me it was irritable bowel, and just told me to manage it with diet and avoid stress.

Yeah, right.

It got better then got worse, then got better again.

Had a colonoscopy, and all was okay.

It could be the abx, it could be the infection--who really knows.

Just keep doing what you're doing, and as others have said, get a colonoscopy just to be safe.

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Thanks all so much! Going to see a GI on Monday, he'll probably send me to colonoscopy...

Luvs - I heard about coffee enema, but since I've had some troubles with UTI's my doctor advised me not to try these.

I hardly eat anything with dairy or soy... but will keep this in mind if nothing else yields any results.

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I would cut out gluten and dairy and soy just like Leelee is recommending.
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i currently have similar sx. i am pming you details. i was dx ibs 30 yrs ago-before lyme dx BUT i knew i had lyme. no tx tho.

i got ibs under control with diet.

after mult high dose abx i am where i am today. i think it is related to abx

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Sing02
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I will try the diet but I'm rather skeptical.

I don't do dairy or soy, hard to imagine that gluten alone would do all of that.

Does anyone also have terrible thirst with these symptoms?

Went to gastro.

He send me to colonoscopy but didn't think it was cancer or that they would even see anything at all in there.

He just didn't know what it is - maybe IBS...

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I have had the same thing -- it cleared up completely with a 14 day treatment of diflucan. Nice, formed, complete poops. Sorry if this is TMI. Now I have had a 10 day dose of flagyl and it is back.

I think it is the antibiotics. I had a colonoscopy in the midst of being treated for Lyme just last month and they found internal hemorrhoids -- I don't think that was the problem, I think it was the antibiotics -- I have been on at least two since last October.

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Judy - how much diflucan did u take?

My LLMD suggested 200mg. I took it for 5 days but there was no improvement so I stopped.

Maybe I should have just held on to it a little longer.

It's starting to bother me at night now.

Have to make myself sleep through this sensation...

What scares me most is that even LLMDs don't seem to have any idea what's going on...

It's been a long time since I found myself lost in this "Cause: unknown" maze!

Someone pm'd me with a theory that it is not diet related, but rather relates to nervous system malfunction.

Like the brain doesn't tell your bowels to move. I think this comes closer to my symptoms than the IBS suggestions.

Is there anyone else here who feels the same?

Did you try anti-depressants? Did they help? Does ANYTHING help for this?

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I took 100 mg once a day for 14 days. I am now starting it again after the flagyl is out of my system, but I am still taking minocycline and Azithromax.

Hope that helps

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The diflucan did not work immediately. Took awhile to get my bowel movements back to normal.

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Sing02--
If you haven't read this yet it may explain a lot of your symptoms. It's an article written by a Dr.,who herself was diagnosed with Lyme,and her experiences.. It's called "Bell's Palsy of the Gut",and it's been mentioned on LymeNet many times.

http://www.thehumansideoflyme.net/viewarticle.php?aid=62

Of course, ABX can affect the gut,but a good portion of it is probably caused by Lyme affecting the nerves that control the gut and digestion. I'd venture to say it's probably more of a problem than the ABX (orals, at least) will ever be.

Joe

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Thankd Judy and Jklynd! The article looks very interesting and I will mention it to my LLMD when I talk to him next time.

funny that all my other lyme symptoms were almost %100 when this started...

LLMD pulled a plug on all my herbs and abx except bicillin for 6 days....

now it's not so much feeling like you need to go but just pain and it starts about an hour after I go to bed and doesn't let me sleep for a while.

Taking fiber helped a little with smoothing bowel movements though.

However when I have this pain with pressure I'm sure there's nothing there left!

Sorry my symptoms changed but I don't know if I should make a new topic with this.

If you had the similar thing - could you please let me know!!!!

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Sing,

I hope you don't have what I've been struggling with (but the good news is that it doesn't appear to be life-threatening.) It's called "anismus" (or other names, like spastic pelvic floor syndrome, anal sphincter dyssynergia, pelvic floor dyssynergia, etc.) and the condition occurs because the PC muscle stays in constant contraction - it doesn't relax when it should, so your BM is kind of trapped there, at the end.

I've had this for almost 3 years, and having a daily BM has made my life a living *ell - especially at work! :-) There is treatment that's supposed to help.

I'd be glad to talk with you further about tests, treatments I've tried, or anything else, if you this sounds similar to you & you want to IM.

More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anismus

-- Anita

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AFter years of having this, along with urine hesitancy, I finally have it cleared.

It was parasites all along. I tested negetive to stool parasite tests, but from prompting on lymenet, others suggested I do a one month herb cleanse with humaworm...well, al I can tell you is that "i do have parasiates, they are visable!"

I recommend you experiment with a safe, and easy formula, and see if you get relief and see if you too have these hidden creatures causing many dysregulatins in your body! They harbor bacteria and viruses, like all the one I have been working on to get rid of with the lyme.

This is an amazing find!

good luck.

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Two links (below) can help you understand how Lyme can set you up for "gluten intolerance" (or celiac, if you are genetically predisposed).

http://www.practicalgastro.com/pdf/April06/SherrArticle.pdf

http://www.practicalgastro.com/pdf/April06/SherrArticle.pdf -- Grab a copy while it is still available on the newstand because the color illustrations are very beneficial in helping you to visualize the details of "tight junctions" and "leaky gut" which leads to celiac and associated autoimmune diseases.

Lastly, an easy way to screen for gluten intolerance -- one that does not require a doctor's lab orders to obtain -- is available via Enterolab.

https://www.enterolab.com/Home.htm

The ($369) Comprehensive Panel with Genetic Testing is the best value.

Be sure to look at the feedback comments from satisfied clients and also look at the professional qualifications of the lab director if you have any doubts about taking advantage of this simple method of screening for gluten intolerance or celiac.

Remember, the low molecular weight neurotoxin produced by Bb (which is similar to Clostridia toxin) discovered by Sam Donta (link below) can set one up for leaky gut, thereby causing "latent (genetic) celiac" to become activated into full-blown disease or simply to set one up for ordinary (non-genetic) "gluten intolerance" which can cause almost all of the symptoms discussed in the articles at the first two links above.

http://www.lyme.org/conferences/99_abstract.html - Scroll down to "Novel Bb Toxin" by Mark Cartwright and Sam T. Donta.


PS - I forgot to add that this leaky gut with resulting gluten intolerance condition is so common among chronic Lyme patients that some LLMDs are calling it "pseudo-celiac." Furthermore, the symptoms of celiac are so subtle that they overlap in many ways with Lyme disaese, which creates a very confusing picture indeed.

Therefore, being tested to "rule out" gluten intolerance would be a wise and worthwhile thing to do. It could save months, if not years, of continuing to treat for chronic Lyme with antibiotics when dietary measures could perhaps accomplish the same result, sparing a lot of unnecessary expense and extended sufferning.

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