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Are there specific parasites associated with Lyme?
If so what are they and how what are the symptoms?
Are they associated with the different stains and bands?
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Glm1111 will have more info. She always says curezone.com is a good site to review.
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Willy Burgdorfer found adult Filarial Worms in the ticks he dissected in 1984. There are many different parasites and worms Lyme sufferers can have.
Do a search on here under filarial worms parasite symptoms Also check out
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Because Lyme lowers the immune system, it's not just from ticks that Lymies get parasites. I personally also had roundworms and tapeworms (one was very large).
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are the parasite that pass visible to the naked eye?
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Some are macroscopic and some are microscopic. The ones pictured on lymephotos are what they looked like in the toilet. Some 8-10" long. I have also passed a long tapeworm but didn't realize it at the time.
I passed some that I think were toxocara that were 20" long and also roundworms. Please study everything you can about parasites and the links above. Hulda Clark is another very informative site.
If you are persistent with antiparasitics the other co-infections are easier to treat because the worms are protecting the bacteria,
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When I get my lab results from the Dr Monday, should I just assume I have whatever parasite is related to what reads POS?
Does the Dr need a stool sample to test?
Im freaking out! I watched that show on Animal Planet called Monsters Inside Me, and that was before I was dx with Lyme.
As soon as I was dx that show popped into my head. What antiparasitic do you use?
Are they really that obvious in the toilet? Sorry for the graphic questions, Im really nervous about this.
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That show could freak anybody out. Don't give that much thought to it!
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Im trying to not over think. But Im trying to be prepared for what my news will be. And I figure the more I know, the more power I have over my healing. But it is all an awful lot to digest. Really overwhelming.
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They are not always that obvious - sometimes they are inside the stool. I've only "seen" stuff when I have a loose stool and they tend to float.
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They are not obvious , you have to look and probe a little.
some sort of imbalance may release them or doing a month long parasite cleanse like humaworm will make them known.
Otherwise they live undetected and usually are not seen in the toilet. They are dead at this point. Live ones do not leave.
Most actually go to the bottom of the toilet, especially the ones that leave in the urine. I had urine hesitation for many years, until I started to release the parasites!
They look like some sort of very small particles or a little mass on the bottom, that in general you would not even notice unless you are looking for it, and when you agitate the water with a chopstick, they float to the surface and unravel...then you can definately see it's a parasite worm!
also the ones in the stool need to be observed when you probe with the chopstick. Most are in pieces because of digestion...but you can be sure they are parasites when you probe. Pictures on curezone will help you compare what you observe.
The pinworms are 1/4 inch and clearish whitish (staple size)
The tape worms come out in chunks or pieces, but are flatish fleshy pieces.
The flukes vary in size, but the ones I have seen are 1/2 " to 3/4 ' meaty crescent moon type shapes.
I also have others that I do not know the name for...like todays urine sample contains a 2 1/2 ' very thing worm filled with blood or blood colored interior. Possibly a thread worm?
I also have seen ascaras or round worms.
I also had loads of eggs, both tapeworm and flukes when I did a liver flush!
For the women, check during your monthly flow for any in blood clots. I have recently observed this!
Experts say that when you have many of them seen coming from each orifice...most likely a major infection of parasites has been brewing for a long time and need multiple cleanses.
If during a cleanse you have trouble noticing any...or very few, you only need a yearly cleanse.
FYI: my stool test from my LLMD says I have no parasites! Testing is useless...and now I believe all lyme patients should do a series of cleanses to observe what they really have going on! It is cheaper than the tests!
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This is a nightmare. IS it ok to do the cleanse while on abx? Tomorrow is my k\last day of Doxy. I think Im gonna do a cleanse anyway. Im wondering if they would show up on a colonoscopy. I had one a few years ago. But that Fleet prep is so salty maybe that would clean them out. UGH my wheels are spinning!
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They do not notice them on colonoscopy!
Don't know if any antibiotics will effect the cleanse? I doubt it. But you may get some die off reaction from the killing of parasites.
some people get sore throats due to virus or bacteria being released from the parasites as they are killed.
Some people's UTI's go away after parasite removal!
Each is different. Always good to do!
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Okay, I never probed around, some of mine were obvious! I had a 7 foot tapeworm that came out in 4-6 in. pieces (at least I saw 7 ft of it, could have been longer I guess) .... I no longer felt the tapeworm moving inside of me after it passed, I thought this movement was "normal" because I had had it for so long .... people ask how I know what it was .... it was obvious. I also had about 30 roundworms that were 10-15 inches long.
Humaworm got rid of the tapeworm. Enula and other herbs got the roundworms. I've used four rounds of Humaworm .... I don't see anything visible anymore, but I feel horrible the first week due to parasite die off, so I know there are invisible parasites still there.
I just started a Dr. Natura cleanse yesterday. Thought I'd use something different this round. I will keep treating parasites until I stop feeling the die off the first few days of taking the herbs.
My parasites did not show up in any test or during my colonoscopy or my upper endoscopy. They did not show up on a stool test, though klebsiella and citrobacter did, which is why I did a cleanse to begin with.
I also highly recommend liver flushes. I can't tell you how much they helped me, it was dramatic.
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what type of horrible do you feel? Nausea, aches, headache? Where do you buy the humanworm? Is it hard to get down? I have a weak stomach.
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Leigh, I know how you feel. I was totally freaked at first and couldn't believe my eyes. Try and calm down and just stay focused on trying to get rid of these parasites. If you do a google search you will see how common these infections are around the world even with people who do not have Lyme.
Six and lightparfait both gave very good advice. I used a long incense holder to go fishing for what was coming out.
It was very empowering when I took charge to see what was making me so sick. I decided to treat it as a science project.
Six
what kind of liver flushes did you do? I only did humaworm, but have had lots of flukes and eggs come out in the past. I will also be anxious to know how the Dr.Natura works for you.
Getting ready to do my second round of humaworm, but have done lots of other antiparasitic herbs 3 yrs ago when I had the biggest dieoff.
Leigh, you can't go by any tests. I never had a positive test for parasites but I was loaded.
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by Leigh Rivera: what type of horrible do you feel? Nausea, aches, headache? Where do you buy the humanworm? Is it hard to get down? I have a weak stomach.
I get fatigued, really wiped out. Also a little achey. They come in capsules, so I never had any trouble getting it down.
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quote:Originally posted by glm1111: Six
what kind of liver flushes did you do? I only did humaworm, but have had lots of flukes and eggs come out in the past. I will also be anxious to know how the Dr.Natura works for you.
I do the Hulda Clark liver cleanse at the link above.
So far, so good with the Dr. Natura. I've been slightly nauseous twice .... and felt just a tiny bit tired, but still functional, not too bad at all (yet).
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Thanks for the link six. I probably need to do this, but for some reason I am afraid of it especially when a couple of people said they got really sick with it.
It's probably very effective. I wonder if there are any other liver flushes that would do the job without getting so sick.
I did a humaworm liver flush, but I didn't see anything. Have to do a search, Thanks again,
Gael
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any opinions on milk thistle as a liver flush? This is common in the avian community for companion parrots who have delicate systems. I figure if its safe for them, should be ok for us?
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Milk Thistle protects the liver but is not a liver flush.
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Yes I found that site earlier today. Needless to say my skin is crawling at the thought.
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Six, please let me know how the new product works too. I'm interested.
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I'll keep you posted. I think this is more for a cleanse than parasites, per se, and on top of that there was no visual parasites last round of Humaworm, yet I felt bad for over a week.
So far, I'm still not feeling bad from it. It's very obvious if a cleanse makes me feel bad since I'm pretty much well from Lyme.
The Hulda Clark cleanse is difficult. I have written detailed experiences with it on my blog .... how I felt during, after, what the results were.
My biggest problem is that I'm hypoglycemic, so the not eating after 2 and not eating fat at all that day was very hard for me because of the blood sugar swings. I found that it's easier for me if I juice all morning instead of eating all kinds of carbs. I felt fine pretty much all day, though after you start cleaning out from the epsom salts it does wear you out some.
I think you have to do a flush like this to really flush the system. The rest of the supps, etc. are more for liver support, but they don't flush it out.
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I just checked the ingredients for the colonix and their paranil. They don't have any wormwood which I thought was key in getting rid of parasites.
It will be very interesting to see if you get good results without it. I put some antiparasitic herbs in my smoothies like cloves, cinnamon, ginger, digestive enymes sea salt, pumpkin seeds etc and it seems like they are very toxic to the parasites.
I also eat VERY hot salsa and avocado dip. The salt/c flushes in the am are key also. I just can't believe after all the creatures I have gotten rid of that there are still some hanging on.
I think it's mostly new ones hatching. I have made great progress though so I can't complain. I just can't believe what has invaded my body, it's mindboggling. I bet you can relate six,
Gael
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Yeah, I can. The Dr. Natura is mainly for cleansing, so it has some herbs will will remove parasites .... I'm kinda glad to know it doesn't have wormwood, I bet that's why it's not knocking me on my butt like Humaworm usually does.
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I relate as well...and by just doing the kitchen spices and herbs...they are still being removed.
Can these parasites be cleared naturally over time? Or if they persist over a long time, are heavy drugs needed?
Just planning my course of attack for the future!
Love some opinions.
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Oh My God!!!!!! That video on the link you listed lightparfait, is the most sickening thing I've ever seen!!! OMG!!!!!!!! There's that many, literally swarming all inside of whatever that was. WOW.
What part of the body was that? Does anyone know? I knew that it was disgusting, but that really was way worse than I ever could have imagined.
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I honestly dont believe that is a human bowel. It is bowel for sure. My guess is a dog or cat. I think a lot of these sites are getting people too worked up. I was worked up when I first saw it.
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Dr. Oz showed one just like it on Oprah. He also brought a 30ft tapeworm in a jar that came out of someone. That was a human colon that they showed.
This is not meant to scare anyone, but these are in humans as well as dogs. We as a society here in the U. S. just think this happens in 3rd world countrys.
Our parents and grandparents used to deworm their kids as standard practice. You can ignore the fact that 90% of the population has parasites(especially if you have Lyme disease)or you can take charge and do something about it.
Lymedocs are very aware of this (the ones that follow Dr.K) and give their pts antiparasitics so that treating the other infections is easier,
Gael
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I can vouch that some of us do have tapeworms. I saw 7 ft of one, have no idea how long it really was.
Dr. Natura is going well. Haven't seen anything weird. Feel good. I think I have a bug two of my kids had, so that has me a little sluggish, but other than that, I've felt great during the cleanse.
Too soon to tell how much it's doing for me at this point.
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Thanks for the update six on the Dr. Natura. Do you think you still have parasites? I just started on my second humaworm (extra strength) and am hoping I get some good results.
I am still feeling movement (ewwwww) Can't stand this disease. On the whole tho, I am much better. Let us know if anything appears, Good luck with it,
Gael
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I don't get worked up about it...the pictures, I'm talking about. I know then can post the most dramatic things on line.
But when you actually see some of these things or pieces of these things you recognize only after viewing these pictures, you know what you have!
The pictures are helpful for identification.
What actually works me up is all the misdiagnosis and my very good LLMD"s telling me I do not have parasites based on stool tests! that was false, and caused me more delay in treatment!
I only post these things to give others a clue of what is most likely going on, that your LLMD may not be treating you for. It appears all people with lyme have some form of parasites to some degree.
A simple cleanse will verify this. and if you see loads of them...you know you need to work on this! You could have many and not see them too as most are microscopic!
I found many of my intestinal issues resolved during a cleanse, only to come back two weeks after stopping it. I know I need to do another one!
It is so helpful to chat with others who are dealing with the same things!
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I haven't seen anything, but I don't go digging either. I do not know if I still have parasites, judging my how Humaworm still makes me feel bad the first week or so, I would say I probably do. I'll most likely do Humaworm a few months after this one.
I have seen stuff that looks like it's been in the intestines a while. This has to be good. I tend to have either constipation or diarrhea, so I'm hoping this helps. I'm also eating a lot of fermented foods to try to repopulate the gut with good bacteria. The fermented stuff has really helped my digestion.
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Is it easy to repopulate the gut wit good bacteria when you are cleansing? Or is it a loosing battle as you remove the bad bacteria...taking all the good with it?
What's the best protocol for successful repopulation?
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Keep planting the good and planting at night is the time when it gets a chance to work. Taking a probiotic with kefir or yogurt also helps the probiotics to get past the stomach acid.
The other thing that is important is to plant the probiotic from the bottom up. I make a poultice of yogurt with extra probiotics and put it on a paper towel and sit on it.
That way it also goes up into the G.I. track and is able to plant. I also slap some on my back by the small intestine.
The skin is the largest organ and makes for good absorption. Hope this makes sense,
Gael
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It makes sense, but I never heard of this before. How long do you sit on it or keep it on your skin for absorption?
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I keep reapplying it all day, that way you are really getting it in your system. I have read on different sites about the importance of planting from the bottom up.
When my yeast infection was bad, I used to do the same thing alternating cocount oil with the probiotics.
The poultice thing is something I decided to do because it made sense. My grandmother taught me to always go to the source.
P. S. It won't ruin your clothes.
Gael
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