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Does anyone know of anything that can be taken for blood vessel constriction? I would like to try something because I think this is the root of my vibrations and numbness during night time hours when my heartrate settles to its slowest.
Carol in PA
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Things like argenine will promote the relaxation of blood vessels for more bloodflow.
However, I don't think that is the root cause of the vibrations.
Magnesium will promote relaxation of muscle spasms, spasms of the alveoli in asthma, and relieve some tremors.
I used to get internal vibrations, most of which have subsided. I think it may be due to supplementing magnesium, as I don't get twitches and hiccups now either.
I haven't had problems with numbness since I've been using sublingual coenzymated B vitamins.
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Ginkgo is supposed to vasodialate; best to do some research on some of the herbal websites, there are many good ones. Also forskolin.
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My internal vibrations seem to be related to lack of minerals. Minerals get used up during the detox process because the liver needs them to help it make the enzymes etc. necessary to carry out detox.
The thing that stops them for me is Nature's Sunshine Mineral Chi Tonic. It does not take them completly away all the time but for the most part they are gone. I don't know if it will work for anyone else because I don't know of anyone with the internal vibrations who has tried it except for me.
Please be very careful with blood vessel dilation. Many of us tend to have low blood pressure and high pulse rate. If you have those problems and take a vasodilator, you will make that problem a lot worse.
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Blood thinners are another approach -- aspirin and herbs with salicylates.
Herbs with anti-platelet properties is another method -- keeps the blood from forming clots.
Here is a very long list of potential herbs and supplements -- the only problem with this list is it does not mention which herbs are actually vasodilators.
Natural Blood Thinners, Anticoagulants, Antiplatelet Aggregation - Information and Natural Supplements
Use of various herbs and supplements may affect and reduce hypercoagulation, platelet aggregation, and blood coagulation. Substances in your blood (called proteins) work with tiny particles (called platelets) to form the clot. Forming a clot is called "coagulation."
Coagulation helps when you are injured because it slows blood loss. However, your blood shouldn't clot when it's just moving through your body. If blood clots inside your blood vessels, it's called "thrombosis" or "phlebitis." The tendency to clot too much is called "hypercoagulation," and it can be very dangerous.
Anticoagulants (blood thinners) are any agent that may be used to delay or prevent blood coagulation. Anticoagulants used for storing whole blood include anticoagulant citrate dextrose solution, anticoagulant citrate phosphate dextrose solution, anticoagulant heparin solution, and anticoagulant sodium citrate solution. "Taber's Cyclopedic Medical Dictionary," Copyright � 2001 by F. A. Davis Co., Phil., PA
Some herbs and supplements considered to have blood thinning properties include:
garlic - It has been indicated that when essential garlic oil was mixed with blood samples from healthy individuals, cells were less likely to clump together (coagulate) in a laboratory setting. Although there had been no documented reports of any serious interaction effects when taking both Coumadin and garlic, studies had implied that a serious reaction might be possible.
ginger - Traditionally, ginger (Zingiber officinale) has been taken to curb motion sickness and arthritis. Today, it has been reported to reduce blood clotting.
ginkgo - Ginkgo leaf has been shown to decrease platelet aggregation. It is thought that the ginkgo constituent, ginkgolide B, displaces platelet-activating factor from its binding sites, decreasing blood coagulation (6048).
horse chestnut, horseradish, licorice,
meadowsweet - Herbs that may contain salicylates.
onion - Herbs with Anti-platelet properties.
panax ginseng, papain, passionflower,
poplar - Herbs that may contain salicylates.
prickly ash, quassia, red clover,
turmeric - Herbs with Anti-platelet properties.
vitamin E - At appropriate doses, vitamin E has been shown to have virtually the same pharmacological properties as Coumadin (crystalline warfarin sodium - a prescription anticoagulant). This means that appropriately high doses of Vitamin E may be substituted for Coumadin. Vitamin E may be considered safer than warfarin, the generic name of Coumadin.
Increase the dose of Vitamin E over a period of weeks. Most people start with 200 IU daily, and eventually get to between 1,200 and 2,400 IU daily.
Do it gradually, and here's a way to tell how it is working - Go in to see your doctor regularly, as you always do, and continue to have him check your protime with a blood test called the PT-INR (Pro Time - International Normalized Ratio), as he always does. If you get the protime numbers he wants, he may not care how you got them and they can be mainteaned safely.
The more Vitamin E you take, the stronger the Coumadin's effect. You'll probably get to the point where your protime is too long, and your doctor may have to reduce the dosage of Coumadin."
wild carrot, wild lettuce,
willow bark - Herb that may contain salicylates, and others.
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Hubby has probably taken 75% of the herbs on the list at various times. Many of these only have mild effects.
The other group of supplements missing from the list is substances which dissolve clots.
This includes systemic enzymes such as Wobenzyme or Vitalzyme, Lumbrokinase, nattokinase and heparin.
Currently hubby takes both Vitalzyme and Lumbrokinase -- he takes doses spread out during the day and at least one dose of each during the night when he wakes up to go to the bathroom. He also takes a couple of the herbs as well.
Since adding in the Lumbrokinase recently I have even stopped using heparin in his PICC line except for once a week or so.
I feel that herbs and supplements are much safer than prescription meds for treating hypercoagulation, but commonsense suggests routine bloodwork and discussion with your LLMD.
This is not medical advice, just my opinion based on hubby's experiences.
Bea Seibert
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Cass A
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I would second the advice on using systemic enzymes instead of prescription drugs!
These act to increase blood flow, as they "eat" the stuff lining the blood vessels and keep the blood from clotting up.
My LLMD had me take lumbrokinase for many months, due to this working directly on blood vessels in the brain, he said.
I have tried just about every systemic enzyme out there. So has my husband, who also has Lyme and who had a heart attack about 14 years ago.
The one that's worked the best for me is Rechts-Regulat, which comes from Germany. Dr. K's store stocks it. It's expensive, but once you get the hypercoagulation under control, you can cut back the dose to just an ity-bit, and it works fine!!
Hope this helps!
Best,
Cass A
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Masquelier's grapeseed and/or pycnogenol may help some.
I get the internal vibration thing too sometimes, as well as odd numbness. I'm not sure if it's really bloodflow related. I think it's related to the nervous system.
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