Topic: Treating Candida with Virgin Coconut Oil and Herxing out of this World ? Why ?
lymetwister
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I am only doing probiotics and still have about 30% of the IVIG doing whatever it's doing in me according to the half life.
I took an oath not to do anything until the IVIG was out of me, but when I noticed the white tongue, I investigated further, took some of those free online tests, and it appears I'm infested with Systemic Candida.
I have pretty much all of the symptoms except for the female problems.
A friend told me to try Virgin Coconut Oil for this. I looked it up and it's an Antifungal, an Antiparasitic, and an Antibacterial all in one.
The sites say to work your way up to 3 Tbs per day, so I started with one yesterday. Within 2 hours I was aching all over, chilled, weak, and felt my throat getting soar. My stomach was very gassy and making all sorts of grumbles too.
I woke up this morning with some residual and did another Tbs around 11am. Bamm, 2 hours later, more of the same as yesterday and maybe a little worse. Today, my anxiety went way up with it and my head which hurts every day was crushing with pain. I took some percocet and a hot epsom salt bath and got some relief from the aches only.
So, is this a Lyme Herx, a Candida Herx, or both ?
I was able to get out to the store yesterday and bought everything on the Candida diet. I am cutting out all sugars and boy, that is hard for me.
Plain Oatmeal yuk.. Some of it isn't that bad, but most of will have no taste unless it's a green I can put some salt on.
I wonder if the Candida problem is bigger than my Lyme symptoms. The lists are so similar. I know I get air hunger and Herx on Lyme frequencies with Rife. I also Herx on Salt/C, so I know I have both now.
I also wonder if the POTS / Dysautonomia could be related to the Candida.
I also spit in the glass 2 mornings in a row and saw the stringy stuff and alot of the Saliva went to the bottom of the glass after an hour. They say this is a home test that confirms the Candida and if it goes to the bottom, then you have it bad.
Funny, as I never did Abx all this time. I'm taking 14 Billion Probiotics 2 x day for the last week. I thought I was Herxing on them alone.
Yet another problem that requires you to feel like crap before you feel better. I don't know of any other disorders besides malaria that one has to recover in this fashion. As I have said in the past, this stuff is criminal.
Any thoughts ?
LT
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Are you feeling any better now before you took the CoCoNut oil? Just wondering
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lymetwister
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Havn't been doing too well before the Coconut oil, but I'm thinking that is because of the Candida, which I have no idea how I got unless the IVIG is working like an antibiotic.
I don't think this Herx is entirely from killing off the Candida, it's just way to strong. It must be a combination.
Google this stuff and look how it kills everything. I honestly don't know why more people hype about Virgin Coconut Oil.
LT
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Very interesting LT. I have heard alot about Coconut oil. I use it for cooking, but never took tablespoons straight up. Do you mix it in something?
FYI, that spit in the glass test is garbage I hear. Another 'myth' from the alternative world of medicine/Internet.
I do believe somewhat in the candida issues though. It makes some sense.
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I don't think the IVIG would cause you to get candida.
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LT, I bought some coconut oil several months ago - I took 1 TBLSP and within a couple of hours I was miserable. My throat felt like it was closing up and man, it freaked me out. This caused me to have a panic attack and after I just felt sick and herxy. I was amazed that one small dose affected me that strongly.
So - you are not alone! I plan on starting it again in a few days, but believe me I'm not looking forward to it.
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Seek, I just eat it straight up. I did this before earlier in treatment and never had the Herx I had today from it. Some say they like the taste, but it feels weird in your mouth and I usually just chase it with some water.
Lauren, whatever you do, start out slow. But you already know that. If I ever beat this disease, I will be sure to use this stuff everyday in my regular diet.
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I gagged and almost vomited taking it straight up - I can't imagine anyone liking the taste of it.
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LT, like you, I am surprised that people don't rave about the oil. Yes, there are some threads about it, but not as many you would think.
I am up to 2 TBSP. When I first started, I noticed it brought out my Bart scratches more than just the abx alone.
Also, look at FRESH GARLIC. There are some who do Allimax, but it's too expensive for me. I do the fresh instead. The drawback is the dragon breath... WHEW!!!!
Garlic is antifungal, antiparasitic etc...I know you have been going thru a lot, so I don't know how much you want to try. They were doing a trial in a hosp and were using it to fight MRSA.
When I felt the abx wasn't hittin' hard enough I combined the oil and garlic together and it kicked my butt for the first few doses.
The other night I applied the coconut oil on my skin and it brought my scratches again. Powerful stuff and reasonably priced AND its food!
Way back in the day before I knew I had Lyme and Co, I would get horrible yeast symptoms. And it wasn't due to abx either. Who knows how I got it.
You're right, Lyme and Yeast mimic each other. Ifound this out in the last month or so. And I'm now in the process of figuring which is Lyme and which is Yeast. My Lyme may not be as bad as I thought.
I want to add - you are such a trooper- hang in there. C
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LT, if you chill the oil for a bit you can keep it on your tongue longer to help kill the yeast or at least thats how I did it in the beginning.
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lymetwister
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I don't think my tongue is the issue, it's everywhere.... If I don't laugh, I'll cry
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LT,
From what I've read it doesn't matter if you don't do the abx with Lyme. If you have heavy metals (ie mercury) in your body, you have candida.
Heavy metals are extremely harmful to the body and the candida actually protects the body from the metals. Not sure where I read that...maybe Gigi???
Anyhow, I have seen an alternative practitioner who has a Bicom 2000. She told me that EVERYONE with Lyme has candida.
I have used EVCO with good results. Been using it almost every day for 3 weeks now I think?
I also oil pull with it. Definitely look into oil pulling...I do think it's helping me!
Like c3mom said too...garlic is potent. I was just doing lots of garlic and noticing some improvements.
Glad the IVIG is almost out of your system...had to be scary just having to wait for so long knowing there wasn't anything you could do.
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The coconut thing is very real. It it powerful to us lymies. Please be careful with it. To a normal
person I could see 3 spoons, but to us it is like a pinch to start and ramp slow. I do think it is the
acid in it. It does need a lot more research. I agree with the garlic
and eat lots of onions if you like them. Allicin kills Candida.
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quote:Originally posted by Pinelady: The coconut thing is very real. It it powerful to us lymies. Please be careful with it. To a normal
person I could see 3 spoons, but to us it is like a pinch to start and ramp slow.
I tried taking 3 tbsp, and I my stomach has suffered for the last 12 hrs or so. But I feel better, so it's a positive!
Gotta be more careful next time ...
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I have systemic yeast as well. I can't hack the taste of the coconut oil but I'm thinking of starting back on it anyways.
I want to do the Allimax SOOOO bad but it's just not possible. My LLMD thinks very highly of it. Too expensive though and I have 4 other family members with Lyme and yeast issues.
BTW you can have vaginal yeast and not know it. I went to the gyn a few months after having my hysterectomy for a followup. She did a pap and found out that I had a SEVERE yeast infection and I had absolutely NO symptoms. At least, not vaginal symptoms.
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My son convinced me to try Coconut oil after reading good things about it. A few weeks ago I decided to saute some chicken breasts in it.
After I finished getting a couple tsps of the oil in the pan I licked the spoon and immediately felt sick to my stomach. I didn't feel good for the rest of the evening.
I guess this is a common thing for those of us with lyme disease. I've cooked a little bit with Coconut oil lately but I can only handle a tiny bit of it.
Hope I can get the hang of it because I believe it will be good for me in the long run. My son can eat tons of it without it affecting him at all (he doesn't have lyme).
C3mom, does your stomach burn when you eat fresh garlic? I've tried it but it burns my stomach pretty badly. Would love to eat it raw since it is so beneficial.
Gary
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gwb, put the raw garlic in a spoon of olive oil and take it that way. Takes the burn out of your stomach.
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hmmm, i tried it and worked up to several tablespoons. no effect whatsoever.
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Pinelady
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That is curious randibear. Do you have any known viral loads? Trying to figure why you are not effected like me. I know I have a viral load as well as lyme, is that the difference?
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quote:Originally posted by IckyTicky: gwb, put the raw garlic in a spoon of olive oil and take it that way. Takes the burn out of your stomach.
IT, I assume you chop up one clove and mix it with the olive oil, right? Can you do it with a meal or is it best to do it on an empty stomach? Once a day often enough or more often?
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Candida is tricky and it causes many of the same symptoms as Lyme! This woman Karen Tripp who created a page free to help others swears by the treatment she came across from a specialist in Idaho. I have never tried it 100% but I do take the Thorne's SF722 and probiotics. I really should give it a full shot as yeast is a problem for me but just haven't had the discipline to right now. Here is the site: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4966/index.html Take Care, Ann
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This post has inspired me to try the program and see if it helps me. It certainly couldn't hurt things and I know in the past even just cutting out carbs, sugars and caffiene I have felt better!
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Might want to try Lauricidin if calories are an issue with the oil. It's the purified active ingredient in coconut oil and it's antifungal and antiviral.
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Lauricidin is powerful. So is Allicin. I've used both and herx on each of them.
After reading through this post, I'm reminded of these two items sitting in my cupboards.
Time to get them out and attack my Candida (& take my Liquid Zeolite for the metals).
Thanks for the post - it's just what I was needing. Grace
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Coconut is in the first list of most allergenic products. As many lyme sufferers tend to be allergic, watch out that your reactions are not ALLERGY to coconut instead of herxes.
If throat is closing, bad sign. Allergy can come in many different ways, nausea can be one, rash another, headaches or funny head feelings, breathing problems, GI problems, acid burning urine...
I don't think I can digest coconut oil, even though I can eat coconut and drink its water with pleasure. I'm not allergic but I can't digest the oil. The problem starts when the oil reaches my stomach, not the GI tract.
My daughter is allergic to coconut oil (or was allergic).
I agree with Ocean, all lyme sufferers suffer from candida overgrowth at a point or another.
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I tried to take just 1/4 tsp coconut oil and got extremely nauseated immediately after taking it. I felt sick to my stomach from it. Yes, it's organic virgin coconut oil but it really didn't agree with me.
Wonder if I'm allergic or what would cause me to have this kind of a reaction to such a small amount of it?
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