lymetwister
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All I can say is give me a break !!
Local health dept. says neg. for Ova and Parasite.
CDC report says the same thing after all of this time.
But what they didn't say is What it IS !!!
The thing had 2 Nuclei and double stranded identical leggy things.
Pretty sad the country we live in. We are supposed to be top notch in Science and Technology.
Others have reported this same parasite coming out of them and it's on Lymephotos.com and also on curezone.com, so it's something. At least they could have said it's a liver fluke, which would be wrong. Or even better, give it a name like they do with CFS, FM when they don't know what it is.
I saw the number of cases of H1N1 go from something like 7 to 5000 from this time last year to now. Sorry to change the subject, but this is the perfect example of the CDC failing our citizens again.
They say there is less than 1% chance of getting the virus if exposed, yet they want to vaccinate all of our children. How safe is this vaccine ? I don't like the idea of live virus's being given out like candy. Those with autoimmune problems may increase that 1% to much higher numbers down the road.
I hope and pray my children live long enough so that they don't have to see the end of the world as it appears this is imminent with our world.
I'm not religious, but I think the Bible talks about us self destructing.
I just hope the government isn't creating this stuff for bio warfare and slipping up like they probably did with Lyme.
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Lymetwister,
Of course you are "CDC negative"....what else would we expect???
Sorry you didn't get any real answers.
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And some here wonder why the CDC is not actively involved with Dr. F and Dr. K and other recent discoveries.
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Unbelievable....I hate to sound like my brother and Filmore, but"it's a conspiracy".
They gotta be hiding something. To say it's nothing at all is pathetic....especially after all the waiting.
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Bummer, I was looking forward to an explanation.
My kids' high school had 22% absent last Tues. H1N1 is here. We blew right through it with no fever, just body aches, sore throat, nausea and fatigue .... but so light that we just rested more than normal. It lasted 4 days. Took colloidal silver and vitamin D3.
Some are getting a fever and are out for a few days, but overall it's not as bad as the regular flu.
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I'm sorry -I think we need to jerk their tails out
and I believe we could do a better job than they
have done in the last 20 years in a week. I am sick
of all the buddy, buddy, make more money, while we
stay sick.
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Apparently everything is do-it-yourself these days. Pretty silly when we have to try to identify parasites ourselves because we get no help from the authorities.
Guess I won't send mine to CDC then.
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I'm guessing they did a visual O&P. The question is, did they run genotype sequencing? This would illustrate if the specimen was in fact its own, living organism. I'm the first to say that self-diagnosed "parasites" are not always correct, but a lab should have done a comprehensive exam not just a visual inspection, if that was the case.
Has anyone actually tried taking their sample to a parasitologist?
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I don't understand how the two specks could have been nuclei. Those are the center of a cell, where the DNA is stored. So this thing was only comprised of two cells? And the nuclei should be microscopic.
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My own PCP showed me a paper about mercury being in the flu shots. He said, "And they're giving the shots to pregnant women and children!"
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Sorry you didn't get any answers.
Did you get a report from the CDC? Did you get anything? Can you find out exactly what they did to determine the status of whatever this is?
I would request a written report from whoever sent it in to the CDC. They must have gotten something.
Then as north and black suggested, look for a parasitologist who might be interested in helping figure it out.
The CDC is as worthless as most allopathic doctors in figuring these things out.
My daughter works at the local Medical University and her office has had H1N1 going around so it is here. One of her co-workers is pretty sick with it right now.
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I happen to be studying microbiology in nursing school tight now, and so this result is something I find especially interesting.
I remember seeing the photo you posted of this thing, and had hoped the CDC would provide answers. So sorry that has not been the case!
Hoosiers has voiced doubts about this having two visible nuclei. What should be kept in mind is that the class of parasites known as helminths (tapeworms and roundworms fall into this category) are multicellular organisms that can usually be seen without magnification. Some tapeworms can grow to be several feet in length! Various organs within their bodies can be seen as well, in the right type of lighting.
However, the thing that came out of you, Lymetwister, did not look like any helminth I've heard of. Also it appeared to have flagella which is not typically a helminth characteristic. Very puzzling.
Are you considering taking this to a parasitologist since the CDC has let you down?
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Sounds to me like some news media needs to see this "nothing" that is coming out of our bodies and see if anyone wants to give it a name and history after that.
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And James..these things are coming out of her body all the time. And not just her from what I've read. It's obviously a "living" thing.
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Nuclei should not be visible with the naked eye. I say "should not," because I'm not a biologist, so I don't know the sizes of all nuclei for all organisms, and I don't want to provide that data. I'm sure you guys could look it up somewhere online.
I am fairly certain that under no circumstances could you see the nucleus of a cell of a parasite with the naked eye.
The nucleus of a mammal's cell is 6.0 MICROmeters, which is 0.006 mm (millimeters). The naked eye can only see things to 0.05 mm. So the nucleus of a mammal's cell would be 1/9 the size of what is visible with the naked eye. And by visible, we're talking, barely visible.
I'm not going to look up the size of the nucleus of a parasite's cell(s), but I highly doubt it is larger than 9 or 10 times those found in mammal's cells, which to be visible, it would have to be.
Also, if this thing had "legs," or protrusions, how could it only have 2 cells? That doesn't seem possible. But if the nuclei are visible, this thing was a two-celled parasite.
Some parasites are visible with the naked eye, of course, but they are not comprised of just two cells.
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quote:Originally posted by Maryland Mom:
I happen to be studying microbiology in nursing school tight now, and so this result is something I find especially interesting.
Are you considering taking this to a parasitologist since the CDC has let you down?
maryland mom, do you have someone you would recommend to twister? thx hugs
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That's sad. Did they send the beast back to you? Maybe there is a microbiologist or pathologist who would be willing to look at it.
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There is a book about the CDC not being willing to look at any new infections, Osler's Web. Check out the speech called "The Why2 on her website, which gives the history of the CDC and why. http://www.oslersweb.com/ and click on the link to the why.
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Pinelady
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I get it. Thats why they say there are only 14 thousand reported cases of Morgellons. LOL Monkey no Look.
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Hoosiers, As I wrote earlier, but maybe did not make clear, is that you are right about this organism having to be many more than two cells, if it is indeed a living organism.
As for the two "nuclei," they are more likely to be organs or brood capsules just because of the size of them.
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Hoosiers51
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Thank you for clearing that up.
It was really bothering me that no one was coming forward and saying it is impossible that those are cell nuclei. I think I missed the main point you were trying to make.
Personally, I think if this thing was parasitic, the CDC would have been able to tell. My guess is that they looked at it under magnification. Wouldn't it be easy to tell if this was a parasite or not, once you magnify it?
I think the reason there are no answers, is likely that it's not a parasite.
I'm sorry to be so blunt, but someone has to say it.
I feel for Lymetwister, and I don't want him to be worrying about something that, to biologists, was clearly not a parasite. If it was, I'm sure they would have labelled it as "unknown parasite, similar to X." Not, "no parasites or ova."
You could always try bringing it to a university or an independent lab, and seeing what they think it is. If they also say it is not a parasite, I would believe the CDC.
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Hoosiers51
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I agree that they are probably pretty...lame. The CDC.
I wouldn't hold my breath on them trying to identify anything, that's for sure.
But my point is that I do think they would at least be able to tell very quickly and easily if it was or was not a parasite at all.
So my point is that lymetwister should consider that it's possible it was not a parasite.
But I think that if he wants to be sure, or has doubts, he should see if he can find another lab to take a look at it.
If someone has a parasite problem, you've gotta think that at times there are things coming out that are not actually the parasites themselves, but maybe just a result of poor GI health, as an effect of parasites. Such as undigested this or that, or maybe it is even some of LT's own tissue.
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"Or even better, give it a name like they do with CFS, FM when they don't know what it is."
yep-i agree.
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Pinelady
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ChuckG don't forget your probiotics. How was the challenge?
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Pinelady
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Do you think you have learned anything from it or is it wait and see?
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lymetwister
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Take a look again. This is NOT normal. So it may not be a parasite, but it is certainly not normal and I would think comes from a different planet if the CDC and all of the other labs say it's nothing. Or perhaps they are from a different planet !
I am not a microbiologist, but I wasn't born yesterday either. Amazingly, I had a few more come out of me just today after a tap water enema. No where as many as before, but definitely the same critter. I Rifed Monday and Wednesday, so perhaps one of the 3 frequencies I'm using is killing these things off without the use of Salt/C. ??
Gary
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Wow Gary, I hope you get to the bottom of this....that is very freaky indeed.
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Holy cow that's odd looking.
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lymetwister
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I will never get to the bottom of "what it is", but I can only tell you that I have had many email me with Lyme telling me the same exact is coming out of them.
Perhaps it is involved with one of the co-infections.
I really find it hard to believe that this is some sort of liver fluke. They all look the same as in "identical". Some are smaller than others, but that would only account for maturation.
I can only tell you that when these come out with a big tap water enema (2 Liters), I feel so much less "Toxic" and overall just feel so much better.
Gary
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Pinelady
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I wonder if any university teaching hospitals would accept a sample for id?
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If they can't identify it, it only means that they don't have the test for it or the knowledge of what it is, it doesn't mean it's not real.
Keep doing what you're doing to get rid of them. I think it's pretty obvious that this is part of the problem for you. I've never fished out my "critters" but I had a bunch of strange ones.
I'm really liking the Dr. Natura cleanse, and unlike Humaworm, I'm feeling really good while on it. Might be something you want to look into. It's all about cleansing, not so much about parasites.
Also, have you tried coffee enemas? They're great for detoxing.
I am wondering if those two spots you think are nuclei might be what this parasite uses to attach itself. A tapeworm has two things on it spaced like that which it uses to attach.
I think we should call it a jellyfish parasite. Reminds me of a jellyfish.
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You can see the same picture that LT has posted of the same PARASITE on
Also there are numerous identical pictures people have posted on curezone.(In archives here)
Remember the same ones a mother posted here of these in her babys diaper?
The CDC either doesn't know what they are, or doesn't have a clue (maybe they just aren't that smart) It's a disgrace at any rate!!
However, there are too many people reporting these pathogens for them (CDC)to ignore. I had the same ones come out at the beginning of my salt/c cleanse.
Many more people here may be infected, but just haven't done any antiparasitics and haven't seen them,
Gael
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I did some research and it appears to be the "eggs" of a parasite from the Ascaris family.
-- Wikipedia had this to say.
Most diagnoses are made by identifying the appearance of the worm or eggs in feces. Due to the large quantity of eggs laid physicians can diagnose using only one or two fecal smears.
The treatment of choice is Mebendazole. The drug functions by binding to tubulin in the worms' intestinal cells and body wall muscles. Nitazoxanide and ivermectin can also be used.[4]
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MB,
I don't think these are ascaris eggs. If you look at the pictures at lymephotos they appear to have double checkered like strands as babies and the adults are much larger.
Ascaris are single roundworms. Also the problem with the allopathic meds like Mebendazole, Ivermectin etc is that they don't kill the adults, larva and eggs and the cycle starts all over.
I saw other info also of these being ascaris, but I have my doubts because of the double strands??
Gael
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It's certainly a mystery. Without confirmation, I'd be lost.
Setup an appointment with a local pathologist. Perhaps if you can find one that's good (I looked on Rate MD, but there are few in the US with good ratings. One is in TN who has a rating of 5.0 with 6 reviews. That was the best I could find.
-- Mike
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I had something that looked very similar. I asked the guy at Humaworm & he said it might be a form of fluke (I guess liver fluke but there are other kinds of flukes).
Parasites have various stages in there life cycle. Some of them look like what you posted. I took a combination of cloves, green, black walnut hulls, & wormwood & I got rid of quite alot of them. I'd say about 50 to 100... It was not pleasant.
I looked at the Lymephoto site that Gael recommends but it didn't look like anything on that site.
I would just ignore anything that the CDC or any gov't agency has to say. I don't know why they act like we have no parasites here.
I'm still in process of treating parasites. It's a long process, it takes time. I haven't seen alot of flukes or whatever they were this time. I tried Humaworm for the 1st time & I'm just finishing it up.
The Humaworm is not easy. I've been ill with body pain & headaches.
It's up to you but I would just start the process of deworming. The sad part is that there are alot of things infecting us that we don't see with the naked eye.
Unfortunately, when you see stuff like the photo - it's just the tip of the iceberg - so to speak.
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Lymetwister,
You might have more luck asking a Gastroenterologist (an MD that is) than a University lab, the more I think about it.
If it's a cluster of parasites and the CDC couldn't identify it, then what would make your closest university any different, unless that was the actual university that first identified the parasite? If you see where I'm going with this. Anyone else could be just as clueless as the CDC.
If you are still having them come out, I bet a "GI" MD would be the best person to just tell you flat out what it appears to be. I would defintely emphasize that you have had lots of these come out, so that they don't think it was something you ate.
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Sparkle,
The picture I am referring to on lymephotos is under the borrelia burgdorfer picture (1st one on left) the ones on the bottom left appear to be the same parasites that are hatching as the ones pictured on this thread,
Gael
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