Topic: Real Reason Why Drug Companies Are Pushing New Vaccines
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Originally published October 23 2009
A vaccine for anxiety? The real reason why drug companies are pushing more vaccines by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
(NaturalNews) "There's a new vaccine for nicotine addiction, and another one for drug addiction. There's an AIDS vaccines (which doesn't work) and a vaccine for cervical cancer that's been approved for use on boys (boys don't have a cervix).
Through the pharmaceutical industry, the big push for vaccines is on!
But why, exactly? Is there suddenly a new rash of epidemic disease requiring vaccine treatments?
No, not really. What's new is the way Big Pharma is latching on to these diseases as new opportunities to sell more drugs.
There's a huge shift underway from drugs designed for sick people to a whole new class of drugs manufactured for healthy people. The new paradigm is that people need drugs before they get sick, as a sort of "protection" against sickness.
Drugs, in essence, are being positioned as nutrients -- things the human body needs in order to be healthy. And from the moment you're born, you're considered deficient in these drugs.
That's why babies are injected with vaccines within minutes after being born. There's a strong belief in the medical industry that babies are born deficient in vaccines and that such deficiencies must be "corrected" as soon as possible.
This simple but powerful shift in the marketing strategy of Big Pharma has expanded the potential customer based from a subset of the population (people who are sick) to the entire world population.
Now, everybody needs a vaccine for something say the drug companies. All that's necessary for the financial success of these scheme is to convince sick people that they need more drugs (or vaccines), and that's easily accomplished through disease mongering campaigns (like the current fear push over H1N1 swine flu).
Bypassing the need for scientific evidence There's another important shift taking place alongside the big vaccine push: A shift away from "evidence-based medicine" to a new medical paradigm of "dogmatic belief."
Medicines that treat sick people, you see, have to be proven to work. There have to be clinical trials, and some percentage of those sick people (only 5% or so, typically) have to show some sort of improved response after taking the medicine.
This is the so-called "gold standard" of modern medicine. But with vaccines, no proof of efficacy is required. No placebo-controlled studies need to be conducted at all. Vaccines can be openly marketed and prescribed without any evidence that they actually work.
This is the new "free pass" for Big Pharma -- a class of medicine that requires no proof! They merely need to be injected into a few hundred people who are observed for as little as two weeks to see if anybody died or collapses into a coma.
That's all the testing that's required (and sometimes even less). No long-term safety tests are required or pursued, and, importantly, there is no requirement that the vaccine proves it actually works to reduce flu infections (or HPV infections, etc.).
In essence, by pushing for a vaccine approach to virtually everything, including nicotine addictions, the pharmaceutical industry has transformed itself from a small industry that only served sick people with scientifically-proven medicines to a huge global industry that sells vaccines to everyone and needs no proof that they even work.
By any assessment, it's a brilliant strategy for increasing pharmaceutical profits.
At the same time, it's a hazardous approach to public health. Even while vaccines provide little or no benefit to the people who get them, they do present very real risks of serious harm. Teen girls have died horrible deaths following HPV vaccine injections
(http://www.naturalnews.com/027151_c...), and routine vaccines for children continue to inject them with levels of mercury so high that even the EPA considers vaccine liquids to be toxic waste (http://www.naturalnews.com/027293_f...).
Meanwhile, billions of dollars are being spent on seasonal flu vaccines and H1N1 vaccines without a shred of evidence that they actually work. The profitable sale of these vaccines to world governments was so easy and so lucrative that it's gotten the attention of drug companies. We're onto something!
Vaccines are Big Pharma's new gold. They rake in the big dollars, they need no proof that they work, and as an added bonus, drug companies have been granted full legal immunity against all side effects by the U.S. governments!
From the point of view of the drug makers, there's no risk involved in vaccines. There's no risk of scientific failure since no studies are being done to even question the efficacy of the vaccines.
And there's no risk of being sued over side effects since these companies enjoy blanket immunity. It's all pure profit with no downside. This is the real reason why drug companies are looking for more vaccines to push.
A vaccine for boredom? Ten years ago, the idea of mandating a cervical cancer vaccine to teenage girls would have seemed ludicrous. But today, it's the law in many states.
It's easy to push, too, since they can always say it's being done for "public benefit." (Although, in reality, the primary beneficiary is Big Pharma.)
Now, the drug companies are pushing theories that diseases like Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are caused by a virus or that prostate cancer is caused by a virus.
These are attempts to establish a justification for future vaccines against such conditions. If drug companies can convince the medical authorities that a virus is responsible for heart disease, or cancer, or diabetes, then they can promote vaccines for those things, too.
Before long, every human being will be targeted with a hundred or more vaccines for diseases they don't even have!
It's only a matter of time before Big Pharma decides to start pushing vaccines for psychiatric disorders. Feeling bored? There will be a vaccine for boredom.
Having trouble concentrating? Watch for a vaccine to be announced for ADHD. Afraid of public speaking? You'll probably see a vaccine promoted for "social anxiety disorder" sooner or later.
Although this sounds utterly ridiculous right now, don't discount the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to reshape the entire dialog about mental disorders and vaccines.
They've already proven their ability to turn normal human experiences into psychiatric disorders requiring pharmaceutical intervention, and most conventional health professionals have bought into it.
Pushing vaccines for psychiatric disorders is the next great untapped market for drug companies. All that's required is to first convince the public that viruses or chemicals are involved in brain disorders.
Believe or it not, this line has already been crossed with the recently announced nicotine vaccine. Nicotine isn't a virus, obviously. So how can drug companies claim a vaccine works to stop the nicotine habit?
It's easy: Instead of targeting a virus, the nicotine vaccine targets a molecule (the nicotine molecule). So now, drug makers can claim their vaccines can grant immunity to virtually any chemical or substance.
And since psychiatric disorders are already blamed on "chemical imbalances in the brain," the groundwork has already been laid for the pushing of vaccines for such "chemical imbalances."
In fact, to take this one step further, keep in mind that according to the psychiatric disease "bible" (the DSM-IV), the very act of defying conventional wisdom is, all by itself, a psychiatric disorder.
It's called "Oppositional Defiant Disorder" or ODD. (I'm not making this up.) You can be diagnosed with ODD simply by arguing with your psychiatrist over the validity of whether the disorder itself actually exists. If you frequently disagree with authorities (like the FDA), you might also be labeled ODD.
If the current health regime is allowed to continue in America, I can easily imagine a day when anyone who disagrees with vaccinations is immediately "diagnosed" with Oppositional Defiant Disorder and injected with a psychiatric vaccine designed to "cure" the "disorder." Effectively, it will be a chemical lobotomy.
To fully understand where this can lead, I urge you to visit CCHR's museum called Psychiatry An Industry of Death
(http://www.cchr.org/psychiatry_an_i...) where you'll tour the horrific history of so-called "psychiatric medicine." It's free. Just tell 'em you're a reader of NaturalNews and Mike Adams sent you. Reserve about 2 hours for the tour, and don't eat much beforehand because you just might lose your lunch.
When you see what psychiatrists have done to human beings in the name of medicine, you'll be absolutely outraged. The street address of the museum is 6616 Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles, California 90028. Call 1-800-869-2247 to make a reservation for yourself or a group.
Vaccines are the new holocaust. And just as drug companies were once involved in the Nazi-era experiments conducted on human beings, those same companies are now engaged in poisoning humans for profit.
Watch for Big Pharma to place even more emphasis on vaccines in the next decade. For them, it's easy money. But for public health, it's a disaster." _________________________________________________
I also saw the movie "I am Legend". (about what happens to the world's population as a result of the fictional cancer vaccine)
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: They are scam artists to the max!
--------------- Yes, I've read 1984 .. and it was BEFORE 1984! It was required reading at college.
I bet you also had to read Animal Farm and Brave New World as well.... I had to read them too, not so fictional these days.
I'm not really worried about vaccines right now, I will be worried when they become required though, if they ever do. I heard a doctor explaining that alot of the things in the vaccines, like the metals are there to keep the vaccines from becoming contaminated. It's best if you get one that is already in the syringe compared to in the bottle... But I am no expert.
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The article does not appear to be well researched. I haven't researched all the claims in the article - don't have the time or desire but if I wonder about the validity of something, I pick a claim that seems odd and research.
Here is the one I picked: "But with vaccines, no proof of efficacy is required. No placebo-controlled studies need to be conducted at all. Vaccines can be openly marketed and prescribed without any evidence that they actually work."
"Vaccine clinical development follows the same general pathway as for drugs and other biologics."...
"Finally, Phase 3 trials typically enroll thousands of individuals and provide the critical documentation of *effectiveness* and important additional safety data required for licensing. At any stage of the clinical or animal studies, if data raise significant concerns about either safety or *effectiveness*, FDA may request additional information or studies, or may halt ongoing clinical studies." ------------------------------------------------
OK, so the FDA requires studies saying that vaccines are safe and effective. Doesn't mean they are of course but that claim in the article is not accurate. I would question everything about the article because of that.
What we need is accurate information that can help us make reasonable decisions not more fear mongering.
Terry
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massman
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That is what the FDA says.
Is it what they really do ?
And how do we find out ?
I don't believe there have been any long term studies done because we seem to be told that there hasn't been time as it is developing very quickly. Scaring us into submission. Or "government talk ?"
Look at the CDC and how they have abused us. And how the government has recently harassed Dr. Andrew Weil for having supplements to help with the flu.
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They give it to boys because some boys AND girls participate in anal sex and oral sex....and the herpes virus causes anal cancer and oral cancer in cases. That's a fact. That's why they are recommending it to young kids and fairly young adults. Gotta do research!
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TerryK
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massman - I'm not here to defend the government. I feel disenfranchised just like many others BUT my point was that the article is not accurate. Mis-information is not helpful.
As far as Dr. Weil and others. They must comply with the law just like everyone else. Vitamins etc. are considered food - not medicine and they are governed by the food laws. No one is supposedly allowed to advertise food by making medical claims. This applies to the flu and any other medical condition. Right or wrong, that is the law.
If they want to advertise using medical claims, they must go through the same process as drugs. At least that's been my understanding over the years.
As I said before, this is nothing new.
Terry
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massman, could you break up all those long paragraphs into SHORTER ones so we neuros could read this? big thanks ... just can't comprehend anything.
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bettyg - I used a small sledgehammer to break it down a bit. Worked well.
Terry this is an inflammatory article for sure. I feel that we are being coerced by the government that is using fear.
What about the other "pandemics" that never appeared ? And so many drugs that have harmed us that BigPharma presented as safe but no studies were done for appropriatr times ?
Like the hormone replacement drugs made from HORSE URINE ? Having something apparently work OK in a test tube may have no relation to what it does inside a living body. Test tubes are not complex multifactorial beings that live not just on chemicals but also on energy.
I feel Mike Adams posts articles like this to help or encourage us to look at things differently and not be clones.
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I think what Mike at Natural News is saying - and I've read several of his articles on this subject - is that there have been no `randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials' on the efficacy (or safety) of vaccines.
In order to do that, drug companies would have to expose people to actual flu viruses, and the drug companies are claiming that it would be `unethical' to do so.
So, the trials for vaccines aren't quite the same as for drugs when participants can be selected that ALREADY have a certain condition or disorder.
They can only keep tabs on a bunch of people who got the vaccine and compare it with a bunch of people who didn't. That leaves quite a bit of `margin for error', IMHO.
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Check out the CBS...swine flu thread on the explanation of how far off the stats are on how many cases are really swine flu.
Read it and if you don't weep you aren't human.
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My husband's chiropractor has a tee-shirt that says "Put mercury in me and I will put lead in you"
Of course, we can't really do it, but it is just fun to think we could have that kind of equal justice.
I was/am alarmed at the thought of forced vaccines.
My family and I choose to skip all flu vaccines and about a million others. My daughter kept her son from being vaccinated until he hit school age. Then she was forced to comply. A very upsetting time for all of us. She looked into every possible way to avoid it and could find none. So she spread the shots out over a year.
So far he is still bright and chipper.
Now she has a newborn daughter and again, no immunity shots. No how, no way. She breastfeeds and believes that is the perfect diet.
My grandson, btw, at age 5 has only had 1 antibiotic ever. He bounces stuff off really well. It is amazing to go to events and he is the only one not sniffling, or dark circles under eyes, etc.
I'm not saying that to boast but to say, eating well, and living well goes a long way in being healthy.
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luvs2 - have you been to the NVIC site ?
My understanding is only 2 states absolutely require vaccinations. WV is one and the other I keep forgetting.
Most states require religious or philosophical objections. Big problem is many administrators are unaware of these facts.
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massman wrote: I feel that we are being coerced by the government that is using fear.
I guess I don't see much difference between the author of your article and others who use fear to get people to do what they want. Why does the author make claims that can be easily checked and refuted?
Hi Truth! Nice to see you posting again.
Truthfinder wrote: I think what Mike at Natural News is saying - and I've read several of his articles on this subject - is that there have been no `randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials' on the efficacy (or safety) of vaccines.
Another statement by the author that is not true. BTW - I would not trust any studies designed and paid for by the company who manufacturers the drug.
http://tinyurl.com/lhscwp LigoCyte Pharmaceuticals Initiates a Randomized, Double Blind, Placebo Controlled Norovirus Vaccine Study Including Live Virus Challenge
"LigoCyte Pharmaceuticals, Inc. announced today that it has initiated its third human clinical trial of its norovirus vaccine. The Phase I/II study will assess safety and immunogenicity associated with LigoCyte's investigational, nasally-delivered, dry powder vaccine in healthy adults."
http://tinyurl.com/yfr3kf7 Safety, efficacy and effectiveness of the influenza virus vaccine, trivalent, types A and B, live, cold-adapted (CAIV-T) in healthy children and healthy adults
"A two year, multicenter, double-blind, placebo-controlled, efficacy field trial in pre-school aged children was conducted; 1602 enrolled in Year One and 1358 (85%) returned in Year Two."
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"A multicenter, double-blind, placebo-controlled, effectiveness field trial was conducted in 4561 working adults aged 18 to 64 years."
These came from the first page of a google search. I'm not planning on researching the flu vaccine any further since I'm not going to be getting the vaccine at this point but I'm sure there are lots of links to studies regarding vaccines.
I would be very unhappy to see the flu vaccine mandated. OTOH, I believe vaccines may have a place in some instances. I would not like to see a pandemic kill the huge numbers of people that were killed in the 1918 pandemic.
Terry
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quote:Originally posted by massman: luvs2 - have you been to the NVIC site ?
My understanding is only 2 states absolutely require vaccinations. WV is one and the other I keep forgetting.
Most states require religious or philosophical objections. Big problem is many administrators are unaware of these facts.
That's a great site full of wonderful information. As Massman said, in almost all states there is a way out.
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Terry - are you aware of what else is in the vaccines ? The chemicals etc ?
They are very foreign to the body so the body has no clue how to effectively get rid of them ?
So many of us here (and everywhere) are FULL of chems + other junk in our bodies. And a great emphasis with lyme to detox detox detox so then we can more effectively deal with the lyme.
So when we look at the big pic the vacc is overloading that liver more.
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Yes massman, I am aware. As I said before, I'm not defending the government. I am also not defending the vaccine.
His article is full of alarming information some and possibly more than just a little is incorrect. It does nothing to help people make a sound decision AND it causes even more fear.
I just wanted to point out that his article makes some wild accusations that are not valid. I'm sure some of it must be correct (or at least lets hope so) but I'm not willing to research anymore of his work because I don't consider him to be a valid source of information.
Terry
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Well, one thing is for certain.....the drug companies are making huge profits from the sales of their vaccines.
"Drug companies have sold $1.5 billion worth of swine flu shots, in addition to the $1 billion for seasonal flu they booked earlier this year. These inoculations are part of a much wider and rapidly growing $20 billion global vaccine market."
Another quote taken from that article....
"As always with pandemic flus, taxpayers are footing the $1.5 billion check for the 250 million swine flu vaccines that the government has ordered so far and will be distributing free to doctors, pharmacies and schools."
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Terry I am not asking you to read more from that author.
I am asking if you are aware of all the other chemical toxins in vaccines ?
And that our bodies are greatly stressed by what chem engineers have put into vaccinations ?
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Thanks massman, yes I am aware. I've been taking a homeopathic remedy from Nature's Sunshine called Vaccination Detox for many years.
I use it via muscle testing and haven't needed it for quite a long time but then I haven't had a vaccine for many years.
Terry
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Virginia does allow religious objections but because my daughter had innoculated my grandson when he was two for a couple of things (she was working with an integrative doctor who kept the shots to the bare essentials) it barred her from using that claim.
Where she lives now, the doctors aren't that saavy.
Thanks emla999 for pointing out that pharmacutical companies are making HUGE profits. In fact, I call their profit level extortionist and in the healthcare debate arena, I keep asking why we aren't outraged at them? Afterall, medicine is the cost of medical care, not health insurance premiums.
It is like the country is brainwashed to hate insurance profits but love all medical providers regardless of how corrupted they have become.
But I digress from the topic of vaccines.
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Hi, Terry.
Your skepticism about Mike Adams is understandable, and in fact, I share some of your concerns. Sometimes he gets a little overzealous and - in my view - assumes too much on certain topics.
That's why I only pull information from Natural News that I feel is verified through some other source. And what I've found, over time, is that Natural News will often be the first to reveal information that is later confirmed and written about by Mercola or other health watchdogs.
But `fear mongering'? No, I don't believe it comes close to approaching that level. If so, then Mercola and others are guilty of the same thing. Providing data that mainstream news won't touch - as frightening as it might be - is a good thing. But you are right - it must be accurate or have a sound basis for any opinion offered.
Now, as to the accuracy of what Mike at Natural News is claiming in the excerpts I posted about......
The information about proper flu vaccine trials tracks back to a somewhat long article in the November issue of Atlantic magazine by Shannon Bronlee and Jeanne Lenzer (which I also read prior to accepting the information from Natural News).
In the article, the authors/investigators cite research done by Tom Jefferson, a physician (and an epidemiologist trained at the famed London School of Tropical Hygiene) based in Rome and the head of the Vaccines Field at the Cochrane Collaboration, a highly respected international network of researchers who appraise medical evidence. From the article:
quote:[Jefferson] leads an international team of researchers who have combed through hundreds of flu-vaccine studies. The vast majority of the studies were deeply flawed, says Jefferson. ``Rubbish is not a scientific term, but I think it's the term that applies.''
Only four studies were properly designed to pin down the effectiveness of flu vaccine, he says, and two of those showed that it might be effective in certain groups of patients ,such as school-age children with no underlying health issues like asthma. The other two showed equivocal results or no benefit.
In the flu-vaccine world, Jefferson's call for placebo-controlled studies is considered so radical that even some of his fellow skeptics oppose it. .... . Lone Simonsen explains the prevailing view: ``It is considered unethical to do trials in populations that are recommended to have vaccine,'' a stance that is shared by everybody from the CDC's Nancy Cox to Anthony Fauci at the NIH. They feel strongly that vaccine has been shown to be effective and that a sham vaccine [the placebo group] would put test subjects at unnecessary risk of getting a serious case of the flu. http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1
Thanks for doing a little research on the `placebo-controlled' studies statement. However, it's not the `terminology' of the flu vaccine trials that is in question, it is in the way the studies are done. Calling it a `randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial' doesn't make it so, certainly not in the way that studies are done on other `drugs'.
And that is the underlying complaint; the studies, by design, can't reveal true efficacy. That was my main point, not the terminology.
In researching one of the links you posted about CAIV-T vaccine (which I think may be the FluMist vaccine, but don't quote me), I ran across a list of `exclusions' for participants of one CAIV-T study.......
quote:Administration of any live virus vaccine within the 30 days prior to study vaccination, or expected receipt through 30 days after study vaccination
Administration of any inactivated (i.e., non-live) vaccine within the 14 days prior to study vaccination, or expected receipt through 14 days after study vaccination http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00344305
Only 30 days or 14 days since a vaccination!? Does that include a flu vaccination? No wonder there is a lot of skepticism about the various `trials' out there. Even so, these two exclusions, as written, don't tell the whole story.
I daresay that there are few or any of us on LN capable of appropriate scrutiny when it comes to analysis of clinical trials on anything. That's why most of us have to rely on `experts' to do that for us. And that's what Mike Adams did when evaluating the lack of evidence on efficacy in vaccine trials.
As to the examples you cited, the LigoCyte Pharma vaccine study was on norovirus, which isn't `the flu' (influenza). It's a cause of gastroenteritis, or the `stomach flu'. Secondly, the link is just to a press release from LigoCyte; in order to see how the conducted the trial, we'd have to review the actual text of the study.
As to the CAIV-T vaccine link, I'm unable to access the text of the study, only the abstract. (Even if I could see the text I'd never understand all the lingo.) Maybe this study is a possible `hit' on your part, and one of the 4 studies that Jefferson found to be `properly designed'. I have no idea.
The mere fact that it is easy to Google lots of studies that appear to fit the criteria makes the point for me: If it were that easy to disprove what Mike Adams (and Shannon Bronlee and Jeanne Lenzer and Tom Jefferson) said, then they would all be complete idiots to purposely discredit themselves so efficiently.
Now, I've spent WAY too much time on this, but the bottom line is that no journalist is 100% right. Mike Adams definitely has his faults, but I think he got it right when it comes to vaccine efficacy studies. If he didn't, then the blame ultimately goes back to Tom Jefferson, an `expert' in the field of medical evidence appraisal.
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Truth,
In my opinion, if an author wants credibility, they don't make sweeping statements that can be discredited. That is exactly what he did.
What is posted here does not show references or explanations for his claims. Just makes the claims which are easily refuted. In just reading the article that was posted here, I think most would walk away thinking that there are no requirements for vaccines.
Truth wrote: I daresay that there are few or any of us on LN capable of appropriate scrutiny when it comes to analysis of clinical trials on anything. That's why most of us have to rely on `experts' to do that for us. And that's what Mike Adams did when evaluating the lack of evidence on efficacy in vaccine trials.
He has no qualifications that would lead me to believe that he is qualified to evaluate medical studies anymore than anyone on LN. http://www.naturalnews.com/Index-Media.html
Studies are often designed with an outcome in mind. This includes choosing the participants of the study. That is nothing new so I'm not surprised in the case of vaccines that this occurs.
Edited to add: On re-reading your comment on Mike Adams - looks like you might have meant that he relied on experts - not that he is an expert? If so, it would important for him to reference that in his article.
Have you ever visited the NVIC.org site? Check out Vaccine Law Information -and- State Vaccine Requirements
The following are just some of the components used to make a variety of vaccines sold in the United States:
formaldehyde aluminum hydroxide aluminum phosphate ammonium sulfate calf serum fetal rhesus monkey lung cells monkey kidney cells chick embryo fetal bovine serum washed sheep red cells casein from pig pancreas phenoxyethanol (antifreeze) neomycin and streptomycin (antibiotics) diploid cells originating from aborted human fetal tissue -and- mercury (thimerosal as a preservative)
Most vaccinations are administered from a multi-dose vial. Pharma believes thimerosal is needed due to constant re-entry of vial to prevent contamination.
Mercury is a recognized neurotoxin that can destroy cells in key centers of the brain and nervous system. Thimerosal is 49.6 percent mercury by weight.
It is ethylmercury, an organic compound and among the most toxic elements on earth.
A 2 month old child weighing 5 kilograms vaccinated by recommended schedule may be exposed to as much as 62.5 micrograms of mercury in a single day.
This FAR exceeds limits set: 125 times more than the EPA limit for that child (0.5 micrograms per day) 42 times more than the ATSDR limit (1.5 micrograms per day) 31 times more than the FDA limit (2.0 micrograms per day)
If you choose to vaccinate your child - please space out the vaccinations.
Ask that the vaccine not be administered from a multi-dose vial
Never vaccinate if the child has been exposed to viral illness or otherwise immune suppressed
Better still - the rationale behind giving children a second booster immunization is after the first round 95 percent of children do develop a proper immune response:
they produce an appropriate level of antibodies to measles, mumps, rubella etc.
Only 5 percent require a second booster to acquire a proper antibody response.
It is cheaper, easier and common practice to simply administer a booster series at the doctor's office.
Why not follow the NVIC recommendation and have your child measured for specific antibody levels, or "titers" in the blood to see if your child is one of 95 percent who do not require a booster series?
Why not avoid unnecessary exposure to unhealthy components contained in vaccinations?
Q: Did your child receive the last dose in a multi-dose vial? Q: Do you observe the administrator shaking (as recommended) the multi-dose vial before withdrawing the dose in the syringe?
Mercury and aluminum, like most metals are "heavy" and a higher concentration will be in that last dose of vaccination. How many people know that?
If ever you feel uncomfortable with the administration of vaccinations to your child discuss it with your doctor or find a new one.
If your doctor is unwilling to test your child for antibody levels - direct the doctor to the NVIC site and see if that does not change his/her mind.
Keep your children as healthy as possible. Mercury accumulates in the body and injures the immune, brain and nervous system function.
It is very difficult for the body to detox and eliminate especially for babies who's body functions are still developing.
The idea of injecting a chemical assault to a newborn child is without sound logic, yet it is routine in America.
Read - get educated and take charge because children are becoming ill and developing learning disorders more and more each day. 1 out of 95 children today exhibit Autism Disorder Spectrum. Especially boys (80%) vs girls (20%)
Some believe this is due to Testosterone suppresses MT (metallothionein) which is a sulfur-based protein and performs a number of important functions within the body.
They have found a child lacking in MT has symptoms consistent with symptoms in autism.
Flu vaccinations also contain mercury. Beware.
PS: The Hep-B shot given to infants contains 12.5 micrograms of Mercury. Hepatitis is transmitted through sexual activity or IV drug use (dirty needles).
It is completly unnecessary if the mother-to-be is tested negative for Hepatitis B.
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So TerryK - docs that post here are not qualified to evaluate medical studies ?
And Jumper, I cannot thank you enough for the info. I have it stashed somewhere and wanted to post all the "what elses" that are actually in vaccines.
So many are really unaware of what is really in vaccines. Thanks again.
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It is a big $ racket Massman. I do think in the
beginning it was for real honorable effort to try
to protect our children. They still have not come
up with a safe TB vaccine. In reality it has
become
just business as usual. It is a bomb in the
making and has been for years. Yes Polio is
reported to be mutated now as well as measles.
For real or just reported as such so parents buy
into it again? After Lyme I cannot trust a darn
thing they say. We don't have Lyme here is all I
can hear right now.
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massman wrote: So TerryK - docs that post here are not qualified to evaluate medical studies ?
Huh?? Please quote the exact phrase where you *think* I said that. What M.D. are you referring to?
This is what I said in regard to Truth's comments about Adams. He has no qualifications that would lead me to believe that he is qualified to evaluate medical studies anymore than anyone on LN. http://www.naturalnews.com/Index-Media.html
So, apparently he is an M.D. who posts here??? The info provided on his site states that he is a software exec.
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Only MDs are docs and only MDs are qualified to interpret the studies ?
Chiropractic docs go to chiro college longer than MDs go to mrd school.
I never said and / or implied that Adams is an MD.
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Well massman, I'm assuming you are a chiropractor?
Please quote where you think I said that you or anyone at LN can't read a medical study. I read them all the time. Some I understand, some I don't, depends on how much time I want to spend looking things up and studying when necessary.
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Dr. Mayer Eisenstein has some interesting charts and comments about vaccines on his website that some of you might be interested in.
According to Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, as the number of people receiving the flu shot increases the death rate from flu and pnuemonia has increased since the mid 1970's.
Also, according to Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, the death rates from some infectious diseases had declined way before the introduction of vaccines.
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"He has no qualifications that would lead me to believe that he is qualified to evaluate medical studies anymore than anyone on LN." I put the quotation marks on that cause I got it from your post.
You did not use any quotation marks to note if this was from someone else said it or you did.
Yes, a DC for 21 years. MDs and I shared patients. Some MDs were my patients, sometimes I was theirs.
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I was talking about the author of the article in response to Truth's statement:
"I daresay that there are few or any of us on LN capable of appropriate scrutiny when it comes to analysis of clinical trials on anything."
That said, I do think that in order to fully evaluate a study, including the validity, one most likely needs special training and a medical background.
It's one thing to understand the purpose and conclusion of a study but there are many subtleties and implications that are not apparent unless one has the background and training.
My comment was not to question the ability of lymenet members to interpret a study but to state that I had no reason to trust the author's interpretation anymore than anyone else's.
I posted in this thread because I saw some things in the article that you posted that looked odd. After researching, it was clear that the author's statements were not accurate if taken at face value and I saw nothing to indicate that they were meant any other way. I'm sorry if that upset you or anyone else but it's important that those things are pointed out.
I'm one of the most skeptical when it comes to the medical-industrial complex. I apply that same skeptisim to everyone who writes information about medical issues that affect me and my loved ones.
Like others here, I have suffered greatly due to misinformation. I don't intend to let that happen again.
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Terry, you are right! In reviewing the article massman posted, Mike Adams makes no reference to his previous articles about vaccination, (at least when he's talking about lack of evidence for efficacy of vaccines - I didn't scan back through the whole article). He usually references his own articles when they exist on a topic, and in this case he didn't. Therefore, you (and everyone else reading the article) would not know what he was basing his information on. I didn't realize that when I read the article.
Sheesh. Not good. Not one of Mike's finer moments. I hate to abandon old Mike because we need all the health `watchdogs' we can get, but he'd better learn a thing or two about credibility in the near future. (And, frankly, that goes for Mercola, too. He sometimes makes similar mistakes.)
Massman, you've got to admit that the article you posted from Natural News comes off quite speculative, as written, right?
Well, one good thing came of researching all this about vaccine studies. It made me think, and I realized that reliance on `cohort studies' in the vaccine industry leaves the door wide open for large studies comparing different methods of `alternative immunization', and comparing the outcome with a group that gets vaccines and a group that doesn't get anything. (All groups would self-select which method they wish to use, of course.)
(FYI: A cohort study investigates the effects of a certain variable in a particular group, and observes them over a period of time.)
Anyway, there's always hope that the big `experiment' in Cuba last fall - where homeopathic prophylaxis was used to prevent an annual epidemic of leptospirosis - will spark more interest testing other types of immunization or prevention, not just vaccines.
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Mercury is a POISON...plain and simple.
While we DO have ways to rid it (bile salts)...it is a slow process.
And I believe it is very dangerous for SOME children...not all, but some - genetic differences or a mean pathogen that crossed the placental barrier and likes Hg.
Babies are naturally born with "sterile" bowels, but what if candida crossed the placental barrier and set up house-keeping in the infant's bowels/GI track..and then we give a vaccine that contains Hg?
Terry...the Hg-autism debate may not be over:
June10, 2009:
Government and CDC Finally Agree to do Extensive Research into Vaccine Safety . . . Maybe
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Thanks for the link Truth! I read the article by Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer which lead me to do some research on Jefferson. I had a hard time finding anything directly from him. I did find references to a study he did in 1998 but the study must be purchased in order to be read.
I finally found this interview with Jefferson (I hope it's valid) which sheds some light around the fear of H1N1.
According to Jefferson, it was discovered that H1N1 was the cause of the 1918-1919 flu which killed millions of people.
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_56850.shtml "Jefferson : It's very well possible that it was, but there are many aspects about the 1918/1919 pandemic that still puzzle us. It was only 12 years ago that we learned that the H1N1 virus caused it. But there was also a lot of bacterial activity going on at the time."...
I read from another source that it was thought to kill so many people due to the cytokine storm that it caused, somethng that we are all too familiar with.
I read in wikipedia that 1/2 of the influenza in 2006 was caused by a strain of H1N1 so I thought it might be good to find something comparing the 1918 strain to the 2009 strain. This *seems* to be a reputable source.
"The new Nature report also assessed the immune response of different groups to the new virus. The most intriguing finding, according to Kawaoka, is that those people exposed to the 1918 virus, all of whom are now in advanced old age, have antibodies that neutralize the H1N1 virus. "The people who have high antibody titers are the people born before 1918," he notes."
"The above comments are in association with an upcoming publication in Nature demonstrating that patients born prior to 1918 still have antibodies that not only neutralize the 1918 pandemic virus, but also cross react with the 2009 pandemic swine H1N1. Similarly, the 2009 pandemic strain replicates more efficiently in the lungs of experiment mice and ferrets, which may explain the frequent deaths of previously healthy young adults. The targeting of this age group also parallels data from 1918."
"These data further support the observation that the 90% of the polymorphisms in sequences of all 8 gene segments from the 1918 pandemic strain can be found in a human H1N1 isolate, WSN/33 or a swine H1N1 isolate, A/swine/Iowa/15/1930."
"These data support a scenario that mimics the data for 2009, which involves a swine H1N1 moving into a human population and spreading efficiently."
"Data worldwide identify previously healthy young adults dying from the pandemic H1N1 infection. However, as the swine H1N1 spreads throughout the human population, opportunities for adaption to human host arise via acquisition of human polymorphisms."
"Interestingly, many of the new acquisitions of can be found in early H1H1 isolates, raising additional concerns that the 2009 pandemic H1N1 is following a path similar to the evolutionary path of 1918."
"A recent isolate from Japan, A/Sapporo/1/2009 has a genetic HA backbone matching the recent oseltamilvir resistant isolate A/Hong Kong/1269/2009, but has acquired a new polymorphism found in WSN/33 as well as an additional polymorphism found in swine/Iowa/15/1930, further supporting evolution along the 1918 pathway."
"Thus, the growing list of similarities between 2009 pandemic H1N1 and 1918 pandemic H1N1 continues to cause concern."
Hi ya Marnie- Yes, I agree that mercury is a terrible toxin. Many in my family, myself included, have some of the genetic factors you mention that may mean we have trouble getting rid of heavy metals so this is something I'm very concerned about.
Thanks for the link on autism. My nephew has an autism spectrum disorder (aspergers) which we speculate manifested after he had some vaccines so I'm very interested in this.
Well, I guess I'd better get back to my mold remediation research project and finish my flexible spending paperwork but this has been a nice diversion. I'll check back in later.
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Wow, Terry! Excellent information! There's much here I didn't know - especially about partial immunity - and I thought I'd looked at a lot of comparison data re the 1918 flu.
Here's a snippet of data I collected about the `composition' of the H1N1 virus, at least as of last spring. I didn't save the darn link and I'm not going to go find it, either. Too many other things to do at the moment.....
quote:Extensive analysis of the virus found that it contained the original 1918 H1N1 flu virus, the avian flu virus (bird flu), and two new H3N2 virus genes from Eurasia. Debate continues over the possibility that swine flu is a genetically engineered virus.
The cytokine storm issue was not only a problem with the 1918 swine flu, but it's also the major culprit in `bird flu'. With this new H1N1 strain, we've got both the 1918 gene and the avian flu gene. Maybe the virus genes from Eurasia are somehow `modulating' this virus so it's not as nasty (yet) as it could be.
Hope you'll have some good info to share about mold remediation!
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What happens if yeast crosses the placental barrier and then the child is given a vaccine that contains Hg...which does indeed impact yeast (potassium released?)- as indicated in the link below.
Babies normally have "sterile" bowels. But if yeast is present in his/her GI system...
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