Topic: Of all Detox stuff I really like Bentonite !..Worth a try..
springshowers
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I have really tried a lot of detox things that you digest.. Welchol.. Cholstrymine.. Charcol.. etc.
And the Bentonite Clay has really been my favorite.
It even works well when you have any sort of sour stomach as it has like an immediate affect and you can feel it go down your esophagus and into your stomach and gut and.. it obviously mops up stuff.
Of course you have to time it right.. and not take it around the times you are taking medications that are important to absorb.
If you have not tried it and are having detox issues.. i would recommend it as it is worth the try in my opinion..
To actually feel something is working for me is quite a rarity..
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You can also just get it under just Bentonite Detox at Whole Foods or such if you have one in your area or Sunflower Market or other natural grocery food stores that have supplement sections.
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springshowers
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How I really knew It worked is when i ran out I really had to go get more.
Alot of other times I run out of something and I have to evaluate whether i want it or not.. and.. I really knew I did not want to not have any around.
Give it a try...
Inexpensive too.. I got some for 10 bucks.... the whole large bottle.... Cant beat that price nowadays..
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how much do you take and when? can you use it externally too? how do you ingest it just drink it? clay, sounds tasty lol.
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springshowers
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I drink it.. I take about two tablespoons at a time .... or sometimes 3 or 4.
Know what. it is pretty just basic and bland and tasteless. It is not gritty or anything and pretty smooth..
You could put it in water or something but I do not think it would have the same affect.
I like how it goes down .. it feels like it is working all the way down.. It kinda coats as it goes down.
It really does not taste at all.. I find it to be good even... It just has such a nuetral property.
Your going to get some?
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A good time to take it is if you time your last meds for the night a few hours before bedtime... and then take it at night before you go to bed.
I happen to get up a lot to go pee.. like a lot of times. So sometiems I take doses through the night like every 4 hours and then stop a couple hours before I have to take my am meds.
I guess one good thing about insomnia and constant urination needs.. i can take my detox meds throughout the night and get a better affect.. For me it works out..
During the day is really hard..
But also if you have Noon or lunch time meds... a couple hours after that is my only other time i usually can fit it in...
Good luck. I hope it works well for you.
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Thanks for mentioning this. Just got a 32 oz. bottle of Sonnes #7 at local hfs. Been chelating tons of mercury w/ dmsa lately, and toxic from months of antibiotics as well...I think I'm going to like this.
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Definitely space it out from meds so it does not get bound up
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Yeah I do not see why not.. Even though I like how it feels going down. Its does not have a bad texture really.
Maybe adding in something like 1:1 of something else.. that you do like? Or your child likes? It is tasteless so It would take on the taste of whatever you put with it. I just would not dilute it down too much at all.
But you also could do that.. Put it into a cup of juice or something? Just an idea.
There probably a ton of creative ideas you can do to get around any issues you have with it...
Toppers.. have you been liking it?
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Took 2 tablespoons today, pleasant stuff actually and feeling pretty good considering. Will report back in a week. I'm liking it.
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You know, you really can get too much of a good thing. The reason that you like this stuff so much may be because you are absorbing your meds less. These binders aren't really a problem if you are only on IV's, but they can interfere with oral meds and supplements for longer than you think.
I'd say that 4 hrs would be the minimum time between any detox binders like charcoal or clay and oral abx just to be safe (6 hrs would be better). Ideally the clay should be mixed with psyllium husks and water to help it work better and push it through. I always try to get two small meals in also before taking any abx just to help get it out of my intestines.
I mix 30 drops of GSE into 10 oz water, and add two caps of freeze dried garlic, 2 Tbl psyllium, 500 mg crushed flagyl, 1 tbl caprylic acid, 1 tbl B clay, and a few crushed tabs of concentrated coptis. This helps to get rid of yeast, parasites, and just about any other nasties that try to hitch a free ride in my gut.
I doubt if most here would be able to swallow this without heaving it back up rather quickly because it tastes worse than you can imagine, but I'm able to keep it down somehow.
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Is this the product that everyone is referring to?
Yerba Prima Great Plains Bentonite Detox -- 32 fl oz
If so, I'd also like to try it. I've been looking for something to try that binds to the toxins.
I'm assuming this product makes you "go to the bathroom?"
Do I get the psyllium husk to take with it too?
One more question. Can I take this while on IV Rocephin and oral flagyl?
Thanks all for answering my questions.
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springshowers
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Yeah that is another brand of the same stuff..
Make sure to take it at least 6 hours away from other meds.
Yes you can take it while on IV meds without worrying as much as orals because the IV meds by pass the stomach and gut.
No. you wont go to the bathroom more.. Maybe even less.. If anything make sure you stay hydrated and watch if your bowels change. Some even report more constipation. But if you just take a normal amount and you do it in a way that is away from other meds.. You should not have any problems.
You can do it with the Psyllum husk if you want or not. If you have any issues with digestion maybe it will help to take both.
I hoped I helped at least a little..
I would start out just once a day for awhile and see how it goes and no more than two times a day .. or at night... that is when I take it.. very late at night....
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Thanks you springshowers. Yes, you answered all of my questions and I apprectiate that. I think I already have the psyllium husk so I just need the clay.
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gwb
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I don't have any psyllium husk in the house. I do have flax seeds. Could I grind up a couple teaspoons of this and get the same results as with psyllium husk?
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NOTE: Anyone with `gut motility' issues or `slow bowel transit' problems or dryness of the GI system (hard stools) would be well-advised to avoid using bentonite in the ways described above.
Bentonite is used to seal earthen dams and well casing platforms because it sets up like concrete. If it stays in your bowel too long and/or becomes dried out, well..... you can guess what happens.
One option is to do the Sonne's cleanse where you juice fast for several days and do enemas 3 times a day when taking the bentonite and psyllium. That insures that what goes in actually comes out.
Taking bentonite along with a raw diet for a month back in the 80's is probably what caused my colon to enlarge to 5 times its normal size. This has caused me innumerable GI issues in the years since then.
Be forewarned, and take care when using this product, please!
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I just want to add .. I am one of those slow moving gut people.
I do have to be careful. You just have to use common sense and do not over do it.
Also start out with smaller amounts and just see how your body reacts. You may do well or get a result on smaller amounts.
I have not had the issues described above even though my gut is one of my main concerns and isues I work on every day.
The opposite has been true for me. It has helped overall and i believe it is helping with the detox and at the same time cleaning out and helping my gut.
So.. well. take all the information you have here and put it to good use.. We have to take all things into consideration and I find that when people use commone sense and do not think in black and white.
Then things can help you..
When you do an all or nothing .. something that is intended to help you can harm you.
Some people get anxious or think more is better or want to adhere to the advised guidelines to a T.
We are all different and trying new things takes careful planning and paying attention to your body too..
So good luck and for me.. this product has been very helpful...
I do not even add the husks to my regimen.. But i do take good probiotics and other gut regemins that keep my gut healthy... and moving too..
Its a lot of work. but its worth it.
I believe the gut is a HUGE if not the BIGGEST part of or whole immune system and the beginning of disease and where we have to really concentrate our efforts
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I like bentonite, too, used in moderation, of course.
Orrn, Pepto always made me very nauseous, but I handled the clay just fine.
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gwb
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I'm starting on it tonight. Looking forward to it but at the same time somewhat apprehensive about it. Hope it helps with my GI issues.
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Well, darn, I was just starting to think about getting some activated charcoal, but now someone is saying clay? Augh, so much to think about.
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Same here, Spring. I thought the bentonite was helping me at the time. It really wasn't until years later when I ended up in the ER with an impacted bowel that I started to put it all together.
I already had a motility problem when I started, and the bentonite made it worse in the long run. So, do your best to make sure it all `comes out' in a reasonably short period of time.
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Tracy, how much bentonite did you use and for how long of a time did you use it? Did you use the liquid or the clay mix?
Did your bowel situation get cleared up without any complications after your ER visit? Sure hope so.
Gary
P.S. I ask because I just started taking bentonite last night so want to make sure I don't have any complications like you describe.
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Gary I can't recall the dosage but it was the liquid. And I did not take the psyllium with it. I was just told to take the bentonite every day for a month and eat nothing but raw veggies and fruits. (A `health nut' friend told me to do this to fix my slow bowel function. We didn't have the Internet back in the 80s so I had no way to research any of this.) And that's what I did. My bowels seemed to be working great. But as soon as I stopped the bentonite and raw diet, everything went back to slow and sluggish.
In 1989, I ended up in the ER. The barium films they took showed a contorted, displaced bowel going every which way, with my cecum in the wrong quadrant of my abdomen, and greatly enlarged sections of large intestine.
No, my bowel problems remain to this day, even after doing a full Sonne's cleanse after that with the enemas and the whole nine yards. My hope was to get out anything left. And it helped for awhile but the damage is done. My gut motility is so slow that I have incomplete evacuation on a consistent basis. And I'm often not even aware that I don't get cleaned out - that's the spooky part of it. Ever since that ER visit, I've been on psyllium every day to help move things along.
There are so many foods that I have to avoid now, or expect a big problem if I do eat them (like white flour, pasta, rice, seeds, nuts, whole corn, cheeses, bananas - the list is quite long). I'm also unable to tolerate even low dosages of most drugs as they always constipate me, and I simply can't afford to get constipated. But I can't afford to get dependent on any type of laxatives, either - that's no answer.
It's a constant battle, and at those times when I am forced to take pain medications or anti-inflammatories, I always run the risk of bowel impaction. I ended up in the ER in 2003 again, same problem, from medications for an acute problem with my back that went on for weeks.
I think the full Sonne's cleanse is probably a great way to detox and really get a lot of crud out of the bowel. But I wouldn't use bentonite daily without the enemas, the fasting, etc. With all the other detox products and binders out there for daily use, I just think they are a much safer idea than something used commercially as `organic concrete'.
Hope this wasn't TMI (too much information) for anybody.
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One other thing that bolsters my concern.....
We have a very high clay content in our soils here. When wet, the soil is very slick and slimy, almost greasy. But it gets hard as a bullet when dry.
Our family raised sheep when I was growing up. Every spring, we would lose a couple of lambs because they ate...... dirt. Apparently, before they were old enough to eat plant life, they would watch their mothers grazing and try to mimic their mothers, and if they ate too much dirt, they died.
Something to think about.
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Thanks Truth.
I also had bowel problems and ER visits but since I have been using the clay i am much better too. I am confused. as to how you relate the "damage" to the clay. It sounds like the damage is quite severe and physical and I am not making sense of it.
I do not take the clay "daily" . I take it during herxes or my own detox holidays.. and it gets cycled and used "as needed".
So maybe your comment will help people realize this really is not a DAILY item. I assumed (most likely wrongly) that when it is said to help with detox. .Like many other things.. I use.. It it is not a Daily item.
??
But well maybe too after what I wrote that will help too...
I have issues with movement too for many many years. Even though... this is not a natural product. Because.. "i just have to sometimes" I add miralax for a couple of days. This is when I am not exact on my diet or I feel sluggish.
I am like you. I can not risk any days where I do not eliminate or something is left. I was hospitalized over and over for few years.
But Like I said. I think this is helping my situation not hurting it. I am quite positive that my situation was acute infections and the clay helps absorb these toxins or infections and get them moving out instead of stagnant in my gut.
Just got to be smart with this and all supplements and tretments. Use it wisely.
Thanks again.. It helps to hear from other experiences so you know what to watch for.. It prevents others from going through the same thing.
Its a personal choice to try it and see what you think and take all the information given into consideration. Each of our bodies are different too and react differently.
So. well.. I hope that this gives a better idea to those.. esp the idea of not using it every single day..
Thats a great thing to emphasis...
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I'm a very slow mover. I can not take anything that binds, soaks, bulks or acts like sponge in my Colon. No psyllium, activated charcoal, bentonite clay. It all plugs me up BAD, even in small doses.
I do however would like to try the clay baths. Just FYI
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Seems to me if we only take a couple of tablespoons of this stuff daily for a week with some fiber that it should not be a problem, right?
Drinking plenty of water, fiber and the clay makes sense to help remove toxins and stuff in the gut and intestines. I think, based on my research, this could be a good thing to do from time to time--for a limited amount of time.
I did my first tablespoon last night with ground flaxseeds and today have noticed a slight improvement in my stomach and intestines. Had a bowel movement this morning too!
I'm hopeful but I also appreciate the warnings. Would be nice to hear from more people about this, both pros and cons.
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ok.. gonna just chime in here from diff. perspective.
i have not used clay, or any binders. actually found this link trying to learn more about the whole liver support thing...
ok, so Clay... binder. would caution ANYONE with ANY GI issues to avoid this kind of thing.
so, even someone who is constipated all the time. well, someone tells them to take fiber. so they do, lots of it. but do NOT get near enought water (usually dont know how much, or even the water part) and then bad things happen !!
just gonna throw out there.... if you are putting any "binder" or bulking agent IN your body best make sure you have plenty of fluids going IN and GOOD motility or.... well, ur just making bricks in there..
ok, i will stop now. just couldnt NOT comment. the nurse in me wouldnt let me not wanting to discourage something that helps some. but this is something to seriously think about and understand !!!!
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ok.. gonna just chime in here from diff. perspective.
i have not used clay, or any binders. actually found this link trying to learn more about the whole liver support thing...
ok, so Clay... binder. would caution ANYONE with ANY GI issues to avoid this kind of thing.
so, even someone who is constipated all the time. well, someone tells them to take fiber. so they do, lots of it. but do NOT get near enought water (usually dont know how much, or even the water part) and then bad things happen !!
just gonna throw out there.... if you are putting any "binder" or bulking agent IN your body best make sure you have plenty of fluids going IN and GOOD motility or.... well, ur just making bricks in there..
ok, i will stop now. just couldnt NOT comment. the nurse in me wouldnt let me not wanting to discourage something that helps some. but this is something to seriously think about and understand !!!!
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MY3BOYS, I appreciate you sharing your perspective on this. So, what does the "nurse in you" suggest for people (like me) who have serious GI issues and have problems with being regular?
I was diagnosed as having IBS, which I personally think is just another way of the doctor saying, "I don't know what's wrong with you". I have left side gut pain daily and nothing I've done seems to help.
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Oops. I guess I forget to respond, Spring.
Spring, all I can really tell you is that after using the bentonite daily for a month, something changed in my already-sluggish system. And I was consuming plenty of water during that time (by all normal standards).
My best guess is that I had an accumulation of `material' in my colon to start with; adding the bentonite daily (without enemas or colonics) did not remove the material, but rather the bentonite adhered to this material and turned hard. This further inhibited peristaltic action of the bowel. And for whatever reason, my bowel now has trouble retaining or absorbing water, no matter how much I drink.
I guess we'll have to wait for the autopsy for any further explanation.
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