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Truthfinder started a good thread about a month
ago and I would like to know if anyone has had
success with using thieves oil on mold.
I heard a story from someone locally who used
Cowden for the full program and only had minimal
results. She addressed the mold in their home
and got well-100% well! That tells me that if
you kill the lyme and its friends and address
other assults on immunity like metals and mold
there is REAL HOPE.
Let me know what you have read or experienced. Thanks,PB
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Theives oil does not kill major house mold.
I do use theives oil cleaner...it works great on regular household chores like cleaning counters, sinks, etc...but to kill the mold you need more.
I have used the oil...not the cleaner...but the oil ...to remove candida in my mouth by rubbing it on my gums after taking out my mercury amalgams.
IT does help kill bacteria, candida type fungus, and pathogens on the skin and in the mouth.
My biological dentist recommended rubbing it around the gums of the area I had amalgams removed. It is also recommended to use around areas of tooth extractions and wisdom teeth removal after healing.
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LP, what did you do, exactly, when you attempted to kill mold with Thieves Oil or the Thieves cleaner?
The thing is, when spores remain in the air, mold can start to re-grow in a matter of days.
I'm very interested to hear what others have tried and how it turned out for them.
In the ``Nature's Mold Rx: The Non-Toxic Solution to Toxic Mold ``by Dr. Edward Close and Jacqueline A. Close, they used diffusion with a larger air pump than is normally used on standard oil diffusers (6 watt, I believe). They used the Thieves cleaner only on surface growths (no deep penetration). And that was only after the spores had been removed from the air with the diffused oil.
All before and after samples in the case studies in the book were done through Environmental Science Corp. located near Nashville, TN, a U.S. EPS-certified environmental lab.
Actual spore counts showing near-100% eradication - that can last up to 5 months - for about 40 different toxic and non-toxic molds are in the book.
Dr. Edward Close holds several degrees, one of which is in environmental science, etc. He's been in the business 40 years and served as an environmental advisor to several Fortune 500 companies. He's worked with a lot of different chemicals and products for mold treatment so, hopefully, he is in a good position to judge the findings in a critical manner. (You can read his bio at their website.)
But after that is all said and done, the real proof will be in applying the protocol and seeing what it does firsthand.
Wow, LP. How does Thieves oil taste? As bad as I think it might?
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Oops, I only got part of my post on here.......
PB4, that is a very enlightening story!
And I would wager that there are many people out there - even on this board - who have a mold problem and don't know it. Especially in more humid climates where air conditioning is needed.
It might not be enough mold to cause a problem for the average person, but folks here are anything but `average'.
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There is no way I could put Thieves in my mouth.
2 drops on my neck was enough for me to know I am
not strong enough for it. If your going to try it
better test it first.
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LOL, not appealing to me either Pinelady. Didn't you `herx' on Thieves Oil?
PB4, this is a pretty `new' idea. Might be very few people who have even heard of it, let alone done it.
This past week, I recently ran into someone on another forum who is trained in mold testing and treatment. She is also a homeopath, has some knowledge of Young Living essential oils (such as Thieves), and had a severe case of Bell's Palsy from Lyme Disease in 2000 which she treated successfully with homeopathics and one or two herbs.
The subject of using essential oils for mold treatment came up and she made this statement:
``There is no data on the effectiveness of the YL [Young Living] oils (or any others) on effective mold treatment.''
I wrote to her and advised her of the documented case evidence from a certified lab regarding the Thieves protocol. At first she was very skeptical, but to her credit, she was willing to listen when she learned that there is some credible evidence out there. She simply wasn't aware of it.
She personally uses certain enzyme and hydrogen peroxide-based cleaners, along with a food-grade cleaner for smaller mold jobs, which she says are all safe to use (non-toxic). But the enzyme and hydrogen peroxide type products she uses are for commercial use and do not come in small, economic sizes for use by individual homeowners.
`Enzyme' and `food-grade' cleaners..... hmmm. Sounds very similar to Thieves oil and the Thieves Household Cleaner.... It appears to be enzymes in the Thieves Oil that dissolves or digests the mold spores........
She uses various sprayers to apply the products, like a paint sprayer or a home and garden-type sprayer. (Both of those are mentioned in the mold book, too, for certain applications of the Thieves hh Cleaner.)
I also asked her if she had any experience with UV light systems for killing mold in the air that I've heard about. She said she hasn't used them but said she knows of someone who used UV treatment in a fairly contaminated house and it seemed to work. She added, though, that it probably isn't an efficient method for any kind of quick clean-up - it will take longer than other methods.
Well, thought I'd share this info to throw out some comparisons with other treatment products and methods from someone who does this commercially.
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Truthfinder,
I have two areas of black mold growth in my home recently.
One related to a very bad storm that allowed a small amt of water to drip down into my basement on a wall of cinderblocks.
The basement is not a wet basement. But it left black mold in streaks where the drips ocurred.
I tried theives in two ways on the black mold. I sprayed it from a diluted 50 oil/50 water solution..let it sit for awhile, then scrubbed it. Black mold was still present..but lightened slightly.
Then I appied it directly from the concentrated bottle with a scrubbie sponge...and still it did not go away!
sometimes I have results with the oil on other types of stains when I leave it overnight. That did not work...so I resorted to straight bleach...which did the trick immediately. NO more mold today...as it was not a wet basement anyway.
IN the shower I have tried to use it bot in 50/50 dilutin spray and directly brom the bottle...
It will do general cleaning...but when molddevelopes...(in my teenagers shower), it is not enough to get it off.
I use a steam cleaner...and then hit it with bleach to kill it!
Recently I was washing some older pillows that my teenagers had used for sleep overs. Sometimes they have wet hair from swimming...then take naps on the pillows. ONe pillow had black mold in a 6 inch diameter in the middle of this very good pillow! I tried an experiment with the theives cleaner oil...and put it on directly, and soaked it in it overnight...no reaction. Then I put it in he washing machine...just to see if it would remove the balck mold.
It faded...but was still present. At least the color was still there...so I threw it away. Maybe the mold was killed...no way to know. Usually I judge by the color being removed and back to normal.
I do not use bleach in general...these were very bad, black moldy problems.
If there is another way to use theives to kill the black mold I am very open to trying it the next time this occurs. I do love the product for all other household chores.
As far as using it on the gums...(the oil).
I was told to use a small amt. on my finger and massage it into the gums around the problem teeth.
It was horrible tasting, but manageable. It did not cause a herx for me. But it did give a cool/numbing feeling on the gum and the skin touching it from above the lip area.
It did kill things I sensed...and I saw cottage cheese like substances released and stuck to my gums the next day. Candida! Amazing.
With ART testing...my ND had originally found strep hidden under some of my teeth..now I do not test positive for this with ART, after the theives.
I also believe the ancient art of Oil pulling helps with similar teeth/mouth issues. just swishing cold pressed sesame or sunflower oil in the mouth between the teeth daily has also helped.
Oil has many cleansing and healing properties as I am only beginning to learn.
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Truthfinder- Forgot to ask- Do you know what the homeopath
treated herself with for Bells. I had Bells. I
use Cowden and have used homeopathy for years.
My Bells got much better and I wonder if I just
happened to use the right combination of things
or if it just gets better sometime. PB
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Just got my mold book. Thanks TruthFinder for posting about the book.
I guess I should preface this by saying I'm working on remediating my own house. I've spent many months researching mold issues. I got some pretty good books that go into a lot of detail. That and internet research and talking to others has really helped me to understand some of the issues.
As I've posted in other threads, I've used thieves oil for several years along with other essential oils to kill mold. I have 2 diffusers that I use with it. I also use the cleaner. I feel I have had some success with it. You still have to do other things to remediate the problem. Thieves oil alone will not work if you have mold in porous materials.
The thieves oil cleaner does not remove mold stains. That's not it's job. It does seem to kill mold. The way to know if it's killing it or not is to fix the moisture problem, then kill the mold and see if the mold grows back.
In my experience, not much except bleach will remove the stains. Bleach is good for killing mold on hard surfaces but will not work on porous surfaces such as walls. It may remove the stains on a wall but won't kill the roots of the mold which grow into the wall. For the most part, porous surfaces need to be replaced.
When killing mold, mycotoxins are released as well as mold spores. It helps to wet the surface down first, before scrubbing. If the spores land on something with food and moisture, they will grow. Washinging surfaces off can help remove mycotoxins but they do become airborne as well and they supposedly degrade very slowly.
I did some research on UV light when I was deciding whether I wanted to include it on my allerair air cleaner. I decided to add it.
UV light supposedly does not kill anything. It sterilizes bacteria and mold so they can't procreate or grow. That's the info I found. I don't know if it's absolutely correct since there seems to be a lot of disagreement about the effectiveness of UV light.
I live in Oregon and we do have a lot of moisture. According to a book I've been reading, you want to make sure that the moisture in your home is below 40% to keep mold growth down. I bought a hygrometer and to my surprise, the moisture registered at 60%! Now I need to figure out how to fix that!!
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I have used Thieves on my tongue before and didn't find it repulsive. It's strong but the taste was not bad. I believe YL makes Thieves mouthwash and toothpaste.
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Terry, Thanks for telling us your experience. Like you, I think I will have to do most of the work myself. If there is anything structural then I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. PB
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Great to hear your experiences with the Thieves cleaner, LP. I do think Terry is right - the stain may still remain even if the mold is dead. The book mentions adding a whole bottle of Thieves Oil to the Thieves cleaner in certain applications (but I don't remember the circumstances offhand).
Very good to know that the Thieves knocked out the strep!! Wow. It would be worth it (I think) if it can do that.
I wonder if hydrogen peroxide would have done the same thing as bleach?
PB4, do you plan to have any testing done? I'd really like to, if I can afford it. I'm going to pay a lot for testing, though, because the only company in the area that does it is located in a ski/resort town nearby and everything there is very expensive. *sigh*
Don't be too surprised if your mold friend thinks this is bunk. I think we have to expect that. This is new information, and unless a `professional' sees the data and/or tries it, there's no reason why they should believe it.
Glad to have you on board with the Lyme prayers!
The homeopath with Lyme and Bell's Palsy said that she did `constitutional' remedy work, and she said she also used astragalus to help clear toxins in her eye.
Ott70, were you treating candida or .....?
Thanks for your input, Terry. I hope you find the book helpful. I'd love to hear a `review' from you when you've had a chance to read it. As I previously mentioned, using a 6-watt pump on the diffuser is important, and I think that's a little under-stressed in the book.
Wow, 40% humidity is the maximum? I think the Close book says 50% or 55%.
I'm not sure what to think about the UV light treatment. I think there is one case in the book about mold problems in a hospital where they already had UV light treatment in the heating/cooling system. So, it may have limited effectiveness, especially if the source of the mold isn't found or known.
I was hoping to get started with the Thieves diffusion before Christmas but I'm not sure that's realistic. I'm going to try, though.
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