Topic: How many of you have 23-25 31 34 39 41 58 ? Anything else in common?
springshowers
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I keep reading over posts and signatures and I seem to see the same or VERY close to same results as far as bands that show up.
What percentage of us (i am included ) have these numbers show up as positive.
Do you think we have symptoms in common too or anything else.? Or is there really no connections besides we all have Lyme Disease
The numbers are
23-25 31 34 39 41 58
All these for IGM and Some on IGG. I myself do not feel that it matters so much but I figured someone would ask me..
58 has come and gone 23-25 left once and came back and 41 does not budge
: )
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Pinelady
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I don't have the 23-25-58. I have read those
patients have more arthritic symptoms than those
that don't, the other set have more neuro symptoms.
Is that what you were getting at?
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IckyTicky
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Mine are: IGM 23-25 + 31 +++ 34 + 39 IND 41 ++ 58 +++ So I have all of yours and the only difference in mine is that I also have 18+, 30+,66+ and 83-93 IND
As for IGG we are different.. I have IGG: 31+,39IND,41+
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IckyTicky
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And I agree Pine lady...I have lots of arthritic symptoms too but my main issue is CNS/NEURO
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I'd say that my symptoms are fairly evenly divided between arthritis/joint symptoms and neuro. My husband would say that it is 100% neuro seeing as I "forget" everything!!
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I'm mostly neuro (and other things, like GI tract etc) but am not arthritic.
IgG 31 IND 34 IND 39 ++ 41+++ 45+
IgM 58+
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feelfit
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18++ 30+ 31+++ 34+ 39+ 41+ 58+ 66+ 83-93+
The only starred band I do not have is 23-25. these are IgM
I had bad arthritis at beginning 5 surgeries on joints before dx.
Osteoarthritis still but I was still able to run and be very active before I went severely CNS/neuro 2 years ago.
Neuro involvement makes it impossible to function anywhere near normal.
My IgG 39+ 41IND
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seekhelp
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How odd Feelfit, I have a much stronger IgG reaction and you have much stronger IgM! You're one of the only few here I have no doubt has Lyme based on your results. I can't believe any idiot said it may be a false positive. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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Amanda
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I have intolerable arthritis, and tolerable nuero symptoms.
IgM 18+ 30++ 31IND 39+ 41IND
IgG is all flat negative
The second time I took the test (3 months later), I was flat negative for every single band on both IgM and IgG. But I have weak immune system.
I had a doctor last year who ran a blood tests that looks for the total amount of IgM antibodies in your blood serum. Normal is 60-263. My count was 0 (as in zero).
So I don't know how I am suppposed to come up positive on any IgM western blot for any disease ifI don't have IgM antibodies
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Bad arthritic pain in ankles, knees, back. Mild CNS/neuro symptoms
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springshowers
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Interesting....
So people are talking about Arthritic compared to Neuro.
What about Pain and Fatigue?
I got to go back and look.. at the WB Descriptions but ... I think these are all the stared bands for CDC criteria Right??
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quote:Originally posted by springshowers: Interesting....
So people are talking about Arthritic compared to Neuro.
What about Pain and Fatigue?
I got to go back and look.. at the WB Descriptions but ... I think these are all the stared bands for CDC criteria Right??
I'll repeat my results before I answer the question...
IgG 31 IND 34 IND 39 ++ 41+++ 45+
IgM 58+
So mostly severe neurological symptoms, no arthritis. I have debilitating fatigue, but not a whole lot of pain compared to others. I have costochondritis pain, and pain from neuropathy which is obviously neurological. I also have severe gastrointestinal issues, among other things.
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Pinelady
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I think before we draw too many conclusions we need
to remember just how bad the test is. My daughter
has 58 yet I did not show it. We live among the
same ticks, so it is possible we have bands that
are not showing?
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springshowers
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CHuck G
What database are you talking about?
And you said None have this exact combo?
Could you explain? I am confused.
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I have mainly neuro symptoms with occasional but very tolerable arthritic pain.
IgM 18 + 31++ 34IND 39IND 41++ 58+
IgG 31+ 41IND
I think our IgM positives could mean it's gone to our nervous system and neurologically affected us if we've been undiagnosed forever...
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springshowers
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Thanks Seek.
Though I looked around at all the links on the left and the stickies and wherever I could.. Where is this "master database"??
THanks
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CD57
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The only things I can add here are:
1) two LLMDs told me west coast Lyme seems more neuro, with less pain, esp. joint 2) Band 41 will likely remain forever (and its no big deal)
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cantgiveupyet
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I started as neuro and then it went into the muscles and joints. I have had IND show up on band 23 in the past and a positive 66 that now seems to have gone.
IGM 31+ 39 IND 41 ++
IGG 31 + 34 IND 39 IND 41+ 58+
I had the confirm done on bands 30/31
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TerryK
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Testing at both IgeneX and MDL these bands have shown up at one or both labs. 18 23 28 31 34 39 41 45 58 60 66 93
Antigenic variability and immune system suppression make it pretty hard to pin down which bands are dominant for an individual because one day one will show up and the next time it will be something else.
I also think that which symptoms are manifested will depend on length of infection, strain, co-infections, genetics etc. etc... Lots of variables.
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