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Maybe some people here think I am being sarcastic or contentious but I really seriously want to know how some of you are getting pictures of parasites, lyme, whatever.
I asked this question on another post and was totally ignored. If it is for real then why not answer. I am seriously interested.
Aren't these things microscopic?
So if that is the case, do you have a lab or high powered microscope or do you just see this stuff in the toilet?
It does kinda freak me out that you have to look thru feces (I suppose) to find this stuff but I guess that is the way it is done?
I read on another site that someone was having them crawl out of their skin but again...aren't these things very microscopic??? How do you 'collect' them? I can't imagine you can see them with the naked eye.
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Most of the ones pictured on lymephotos are MACROSCOPIC and some can measure 8" or more. They usually float to the top of the bowl.
I don't have a microscope so I can't advise you about that, maybe someone else can. I had everything pictured on lymephotos come out of me and into the toilet and they were VERY visible,
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glm thanks for the answers. If these are visible to the naked eye I guess I'll start looking. I started the salt/c this week and I have to say I am feeling better.
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Make sure you ramp up slowly on the salt/c and drink lots of water. It is a very powerful protocol. Sea salt and vit C support the adrenal glands. A lot of people are actually salt deficient.
The people at lymestrategies may be able to help you also because some do salt/c,
Gael
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Why do you say the photos on (Lymephotos.com )are reliable?
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This is exactly why I asked the question about the photos. My own mind tells me you would have to have a pretty good set up to be just an average person with no medical experience and be finding and taking pictures of these things.
Thus, I still beg the question....how are these pictures being taken?? How are people here on this web site SEEING and finding these things? Details please!
Other than glm1111 no one is answering my question. There seem to be plenty on this thread that believe it so why no response?
I'll be a believer given evidence or more detail on how they can be seen. I suppose I will look in the toilet (ugh) but I still can't imagine you can just see them that easily
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Don't know much about parasites, but I doubt seriously that anyone is seeing spirochetes in their blood. First of all, they are extremely microscopic and second, if they were in our blood, it wouldn't be so hard to get a positive diagnosis.
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tosho,
I know firsthand that the photos on lymephotos are reliable because I have had the EXACT same pathogens exit my body. You don't need a microscope to see them.
Filarial worms were found in the original ticks that Burgdorfer found in the ticks he dissected.
The labeling on the photos saying they are borrelia may not be accurate, but the rest is. Who's to say that borrelia hasn't mutated? Are you saying my statement is false?
Tx...
just google the word lymestrategies and it will come up. These are the people doing salt/c and other protocols.
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Gael, don't you think if the spirochetes have mutated that our LLMDs would know about it?
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You go glm1111!!!!!!!!!
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suthergrl...
You have to remember that LLMDs are regular doctors trained the same way as other MDs. I had one of the best LLMDs in the country dx me and he never mentioned the possibility of parasites/worms.
Dr. K. is very aware of these co-infections and treats all of his Lyme pts for parasites and worms first. I would be more concerned about getting these parasites out of you and not worry about the label put on Lymephotos.
I was on abx for 4 yrs and didn't start to get well until I started antiparasitics and salt/c. Critical thinking for ourselves is imperative if we want to get well. Stop thinking these dctrs have all the answers...they don't.
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I totally agree with glm111. My feeling is if you don't get better on abx after 4-6 months then abx is not going to help you.
I do think we need to spend more time getting the parasites out of our bodies....
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What are some antiparasitics and do they require a prescription?
I've been on abx for 5 months and although I had times of feeling better it obviously didn't take care of the Lyme (or whatever) because I continue to feel up and down.
And now on top of lyme I have candida. I'm done with abx for a while.
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If you re-read my post, I never said anything about parasites.
TxLymie ask how ppl were getting pics of spirochetes/parasites. I responded about spirochetes. I admit I don't know much about parasites.
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Borrelia burgdorferi While only 0.2-0.3 micrometers wide, the cell length may exceed 15 to 20 micrometers.
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The focus should not be on what lymephotos has labeled borrelia burgdorfer, but on the fact that many people have had these MACroscopic parasites exit after antiparasitics such as salt/c, humaworm etc.
Some of these are believed to be Filarial worms which could be a co-infection of Lyme.
Tx,
Type antiparasitics herbs and parasites and lyme into search bar at top of page here and you should find a lot of info on antiparasitics. This subject has been discussed many times on here.
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Still those photos being labeled borrelia, doesn't give much credit to that site.
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OMG my lyme mind cannot handle the detailed info on that curezone.com! I'm sure it is good stuff and when I am not so tired I will look again.
I think what is most frustrating about this disease is that there is TOO MUCH info and TOO MANY sites to sift thru.
I could make a full time job out of doing nothing but researching, researching, reading reading and trying herb after herb after supplement after vitamen after abx....
Ok, sorry. Just frustrated. Wish someone would just find a dang cure and after this post I guess I have to worry about worms too? I'm freaking myself out. Good night all
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Tx,
To make it easier to go to curezone forums, just google
curezone + parasites
Have a peaceful night,
Gael
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It is impossible to see Borrelia, in any form, with the naked eye, but it is possible to see worms, some of which have both macroscopic and microscopic life stages.
If people are seeing worms in their stool, they should preserve these and take them to their LLMD. At the very least he/she will be able to find out whether these are the common worm infestations that exist in the West, or something else.
If they are commonly recognised worms, it would still be important to note whether antihelminthics get rid of them and whether there is any clinical improvement in your condition. There may be certain dynamics that only come into play when a person is infected with both Lyme and nematode worms. For example, could a blood-brain-barrier damaged by Lyme admit worms which would normally be confined, relatively harmlessly, to the gut?
If the worms being found are ***not*** common worms, then they need to be identified and their role in chronic Lyme clarified. It is a fact that microfilarial worms have been found in the same ticks which transmit borrelia. This is the case for both Europe and the USA. Some of the worms were new to science (or at least, new to unclassified, civilian science).
Nematode worms in the poor countries of the world cause massive illness and suffering, but those found in the West have traditionally been thought of as relatively benign. If the picture is different in chronic Lymies, then we need to know why.
If you don't have access to an LLMD or someone who will look at these worms for you, preserve them anyway, labelled clearly with the date and time, a list of your symptoms at the time, and any drugs, herbal medicines etc you were taking at the time. The information and the specimen might just prove invaluable in the future.
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