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sixgoofykids
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It's there.
Since the chiropractor's role is to adjust the spine, I don't know that it matters that she's not well-versed in Lyme Disease. I found chiropractic care to be helpful.
A subluxation gives the toxins a place to pool up. Think - stagnant pond. Toxins can also cause subluxation, then more toxins/pathogens will hide out there.
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Just a bit worried as I know if you go to a
massage therapist she should know what she is
doing in terms of lyme and the lymphatic system.
Any type of manual therapy does have an effect on the lyme
Also, I saw a book in the waiting area all about how evil antibiotics are and it just made me wonder if she understands the treatments for some illnesses that are bacterial in nature need antibiotics.
She also had never seen anyone with the type and source of pain I have which worries me as well.
She also said we'll have to put you on supplements.....when she doesn't even know anything about the disease...yikes!!
I guess I'm hoping there is someone better out there
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I agree with Six,. . but if you have hyper-mobility (caused by Babs, I believe) then I would be careful not to go very often.
I just had a conversation about this with my hubby's chiro the other day (he comes into our home to treat him). He thinks that with issues like hyperflexibility, you really need to be conservative and not treat too frequently.
Keep in mind, this is a chiro who isn't in it for the money. He works construction because his overhead is lower than having an office and he makes more money doing that than he did as a chiropractor, because he isn't all about 3x a week for people. He treats in people's homes and mostly does serious car accidents. And he gets them well. You wouldn't get this caution from most chiropractors, IMO.
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I agree that a chiro can do wonders, as mine has done for me.
I was very skeptical going in, but when I saw the x-rays she took, I knew I had to do something.
Now, I was having Lyme sx when I started, but wasn't dx'ed yet, and she knew a scant amount about Lyme, but she has done some research while treating me.
As for finding one who is familiar with Lyme, if you have an LLMD, could he/she suggest someone? Or if you're in a Lyme support group, see if anyone else has gone to a chiro.
Just some thoughts.
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We recently had a bad experience with a chiro who claims to be familiar with lyme, and she wasn't and put our son on all kids of supplements with sugar in them. I think Starfall has a great idea. Ask your LLMD for a referral.
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Skip the chiro - I went to four of them and they all said the same thing "subluxation"..I'm not knocking the science in chiro, just ticks me off they come across so "anti-allopathic" and "holier-than-thou".
Preventative care is one thing and this kind of buffoonery another. SOrry my words are so strong, I believe I got sicker and sicker the more "healers" I went to.
I recently had one tell me over the phone that the Lyme "virus" had finally been found and that I would get better through detoxification...blah blah blah. At that point I ended the conversation.
Now I better understand that alternative medicine (at least in the right hands) can be used to SUPPORT allopathic medicine, not replace it. Huge mistake I made which cost me my precious health.
As sick as I am I refuse to go near one again. My $.02 worth.
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- See if you can find a DC or DO who is trained in the UPLEDGER method. That is not a snap and crack nor a twist and shout approach but more gentle. Just google UPLEDGER to find someone in your area.
Some DCs use a "nucca" approach and that is also more gentle.
I have had a good DC and DO both tell me, though, that they can offer no more help. Lyme needs to be corrected first. But, for you, treatments may offer some relief along the way.
Massage can be excellent, too. I find it more helpful on many levels. MUCH more helpful.
Often, due to lyme toxins, work we have done on our bodies can be pulled back out of whack.
You might also seek out a FELDENDKRAIS therapist who can also instruct you in proper body mechanics. -
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I wouldn't follow her recommendations for supplements since she doesn't understand what you are dealing with, but if the chiropractor sticks to adjusting the skeleton, I think it doesn't matter. I should have qualified that previously.
I would think it would be more important for a massage therapist to know about Lyme than a chiro. IMO
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Realized I hadn't given you anything constructive - so...I do feel if your body isn't screaming in agony everytime a massage therapist touches it, that might be your best bet. Great info above.
After all you survived myofascial release and lived to tell about it!!
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Most looking down at chiros ?
Anyone here aware that chiro docs go to chiro school longer than medical docs go to med school ?
LOL also as "alt" has been around MUCH longer than allopathic. A good number of people have told me they don't believe in Chinese medicine.
I would then ask - you think they did not learn ANYTHING in the last 4,000 years ? There are arrogant bunkheads in ALL professions. IME the USA is at the top of the list with that.
Our health care is the poorist in all "civilized" countries. Australians discovered that most stomach ulcers are caused by bacteria. Took the US ten yes TEN years to accept that as those god like American MDs did not "discover" that first.
DCs can choose what kind of techniques to use + IMO they should know a few different techniques.
Would you rather have thm all do the same thing, like the lock step IDSA ?
But SOME DC are in their own lock step, very conservative and not open. I feel they should persue more continuing ed on their own, especially about lyme. And especially if they sell supplements to help you deal with lyme.
Massage therapists ? Wide ranges of education + experience. They should continue their education too. Some great, some fair etc.
The reccs of different techniques is good, as some may work well with you + some not. For frontal chest pain I would suggest finding a DC that knows how to do both ribs in the back + the front.
Some states I have held DC licenses I could legally do ANYTHING except use drugs + do major surgery.
OK, off the soapbox now. -------------------------------------------- Massman - MT 25 years, DC 22 years.
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btm--I got the "holier than thou" attitude and that was what really backed me away from this one. when someone is chronically ill you would think they would take a step back and get to know the person first, ticked me off.
Massman, good to hear from you. I have excruiciating chest wall pain that never takes a break, literally, I wake up at night when my pain med wears off as if someone has violently stabbed me in the chest and I have lived with this since April. It is unbelievable to me that it does not ever end. I have used numerous therpies to try to control this.
When you say "knows how to do ribs in the back and front" How would I determine that? You are in MA, I am in southern NH, do you know anyone up here? PM me if you do.
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I tried to look up upledger, is that craniasacral therapy? It ws hard to filter through the find a practioner part, or does upledger encompass a wide range of therapies?
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Do not know anyone in NH. Sorry. I can call a few + ask about their rib adjusting. Some get taught spine only in school and stick only to that.
The muscles between the ribs are very short, heavy fiber + can be very MEAN.
On the craniosacral technique, it was developed by a DO - Doctor of Osteopathy. I have had it done (not by a doc) and was very very impressed. Very low force and mostly only that.
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- Upledger is mostly craniasacral therapy my DO also adjusts the entire skeleton of the body (incl. scull and jaw)
some also some are also trained in visceral therapy (tissue in the belly).
Some PTs are trained in these techniques, too. I have never been hurt by an Upledger approach, whereas my brain and body have been very damaged by other techniques that seemed not to bother others.
Never let anyone quickly twist, crack or snap your neck. Lyme really does a number there and that sort of technique has set me way back. -
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Keeb sorry to hear of your experience. Some chiros arrogantly say they only do hands on, like anything else is for wimps.
I feel a few different tools in the box - and fairly different - provides ways to help more people.
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