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ive heard that in the case of birthcontrol, it doesnt matter if you take a pro biotic the birth control still kills it, even if spaced apart, you may feel better mentally cause your taking a probiotic but it doesnt change the situation. Is this true for taking antibiotics??? =( I mean does anyone really know, besides just hear say? Or recommendations?
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I don't have the studies at hand but I read that there are very few commercially available probiotic strains that can actually colonize the human gut - I think they found only two.
The others just pass through the gut in approx. 3 days and gone they are!
This means that the probiotics we take don't replace the ones that we kill with abx.
BUT: they help to create a friendly environment in which our own beneficial gut flora (what is left of it) can recover. But this takes a loooooong time.
A professor of medicine here in Germany said that one has to take probiotics at least double the time that one has taken antibiotics.
This means, if you have taken abx for 4 years you have to continue with probiotics for at least 8 years for your gut flora to recover. If that is possible at all.
Anyway, there are hundreds of different strains of bacteria in our gut and probiotics contain only a few strains. So, no probiotic in the world can replace what abx kill.
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quote:Originally posted by Camber: ive heard that in the case of birthcontrol, it doesnt matter if you take a pro biotic the birth control still kills it, even if spaced apart, you may feel better mentally cause your taking a probiotic but it doesnt change the situation. Is this true for taking antibiotics??? =( I mean does anyone really know, besides just hear say? Or recommendations?
Probiotics may not replace the exact strains of bacteria the antibiotics kill, but it may protect enough to prevent yeast from getting out of control. When the abx are discontinued, your body should be able to repopulate itself with the normal strains.
Why would someone take probiotics for birth control? Do you mean b/c using hormonal birth control may disrupt the normal flora and tend toward yeast overgrowth?
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Body Biotics is supposed to be one of the products that is effective and accurate. My doctor read all the studies of which actually had the live organisms and were effective. The other is Flurostor.
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What about those of us without an appendix?? I've read the appendix produces beneficial bacteria...what happens then???
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quote:Originally posted by Ocean: What about those of us without an appendix?? I've read the appendix produces beneficial bacteria...what happens then???
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Ocean - I'm not so sure that the appendix is all that beneficial an organ, IMHO. Reason I say this is because 3rd week in Oct., my appendix ruptured and the resulting abscess was removed. Since that time, almost all of my GI sx's, going back many decades, have resolved! It's wonderful! (Expensive and painful, but wonderful!)
The hypothesis is that my appendix was so filled with dead bacteria, etc. from years of Lyme tx, that it just couldn't clear itself and therefore, burst. No way to tell the exact nature of the process, just a number of guesses. At any rate, the results for me have been great! Sorry for the dissertation....
Question: ....Probiotics don't really replace what abx kills? Answer: True, probiotics can never replace GI flora either in quality or quantity, but probios certain help more than they hurt.
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Well, whatever... I think it would be a huge mistake not to take them while on abx!! Huge!
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Ping,
Thanks!! I am so happy for you that your GI symptoms are so much better! Who woulda thunk??
I have not been on lots of abx in my life, but do take Colloidal Silver (I pulse it). I have never seemed to get yeast infections or anything, so I am hoping my candida load isn't too high.
I'm so glad you are doing well...are you still healing well from the appendectomy???
Oh, funny thing, I just got a bunch of old medical records and found out they gave me Cipro and Flagyl to take for a few weeks when I left the hospital...I felt really good after about 2-3 weeks...I wanna try Flagyl again sometime now, lol!
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quote:Originally posted by Ocean: ...Who woulda thunk??
So, they say this in Ohio too!? Shame on me for thinking it was a Southern thang! LOL!
Yes, who woulda thunk! Like I said, it was expensive and painful, but I actually got something positive in return... Boy, did I need something positive for a change. Yes, I can finally eat those red beans and rice, without emitting enough gas to power the entire neighborhood. YUM!
I didn't have an appendectomy, as none was needed. The entire organ exploded at the base and sheared it completely off! The surgeon called it The Krakatoa Effect, as opposed to Pompei (top end blow out), or Mt. St. Helen's (side blow out).
So, you want to give Flagyl a whirl? Advice from someone who's done it, start slow.
Lymetoo - I completely agree with you. Wouldn't undergo abx tx without probiotics. That's a recipe for disaster!
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I read somewhere recently that there has been some research done that proves that the healthy appendix will recolonize the gut with certain probiotics it nurtures within itself, when existing ones are wiped out or low. I imagine that would only happen under ideal, non-Lyme conditions. All I know is, when I felt the worst,lots of probiotic-laden organic grass-fed yogurt really made me feel better! --and I still have all my organs, at 63! (including gallbladder)
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My LLMD recommended Jarro-Dophilus EPS. He said most probiotics (and yogurts) break down in the stomach and do not reach the intestines. Jarro-Dophilus EPS are enteric coated and contain 8 strains. I got mine at http://www.Jarrow.com
Don't read this as a personal endorsement; I'm simply passing information along.
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quote: William Parker, Randy Bollinger, and colleagues at Duke University proposed that the appendix serves as a haven for useful bacteria when illness flushes those bacteria from the rest of the intestines.[6][11] This proposal is based on a new understanding of how the immune system supports the growth of beneficial intestinal bacteria,[12][13] in combination with many well-known features of the appendix, including its architecture and its association with copious amounts of immune tissue. Such a function is expected to be useful in a culture lacking modern sanitation and healthcare practice, where diarrhea may be prevalent.[11]
Most, perhaps all, probiotics are aerobes. Have a very hard time surviving in an anaerobic environment.
Who knows, they may be dead before they hit the small intestine.
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quote:Originally posted by Gahagan: My LLMD recommended Jarro-Dophilus EPS. He said most probiotics (and yogurts) break down in the stomach and do not reach the intestines. Jarro-Dophilus EPS are enteric coated and contain 8 strains. I got mine at http://www.Jarrow.com
Don't read this as a personal endorsement; I'm simply passing information along.
this is what i got after the guy at wf recommend for same reason.
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