Topic: UGGGG!!! Even burning the land won't get rid of ticks!
Tincup
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J Med Entomol. 2009 Sep;46(5):1138-45.
Effect of prescribed fire for tick control in California chaparral. Padgett KA, Casher LE, Stephens SL, Lane RS.
Vector-Borne Disease Section, California Department of Public Health, 850 Marina Bay Pkwy., Richmond, CA 94707, USA. [email protected]
Prescribed fire was investigated as a method for controlling ixodid and argasid ticks in chaparral habitats in northern California.
Two experimental and two adjacent control plots within a wildlife preserve were monitored for 1 yr postburn.
Ticks were collected by flagging vegetation, by CO2-baited pitfall trap, and by live-trapping rodents.
Twice as many rodents were caught at control sites compared with burn sites and no dusky-footed woodrats, Neotoma fuscipes Baird, were found in the treatment sites postburn.
This species is known to be a reservoir of the agents of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi sensu stricto Johnson, Schmid, Hyde, Steigerwalt & Brenner, and human granulocytic anaplasmosis, Anaplasma phagocytophilum Dumler, Barbet, Bekker, Dasch, Palmer, Ray, Rikihisa, Rurangirwa.
Six ixodid tick species were removed from rodents (Ixodes pacificus Cooley & Kohls, Ixodes jellisoni Cooley & Kohls, Ixodes spinipalpis Hadwen & Nuttall, Ixodes woodi Bishopp, Dermacentor occidentalis Marx, and Dermacentor parumapertus Neumann), two of which transmit bacterial zoonotic agents to people in the far-western United States.
There was no decrease in number of ticks per animal trapped at either burn site compared with controls; in fact, the mean number of immature I. pacificus per rodent was significantly higher at one burn site than its control site.
Soil refugia may protect ticks from fire-induced mortality; the argasid tick Ornithodoros coriaceus Koch, which lives in soil, was unaffected by the prescribed fire as were I. pacificus and D. occidentalis buried in packets 2.5 cm below ground.
We conclude that although prescribed fires in chaparral habitats may diminish local rodent abundance, it does not decrease tick loads on rodents.
Furthermore, burning chaparral does not result in a decreased abundance of adult ixodid ticks on vegetation and apparently does not affect argasid or ixodid ticks that are sheltered within soil refugia.
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WOw! That is disturbing! I often used to fantasize about burning the field down where i got mr. babesia tick....fire resistant...bad!!!
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So what do the capitalized names mean after the ticks and the woodrat? Those who discovered them in the field?
Saying it all together makes 'em sound like law firms, strange personalities, or fourth generation millionaires!
And Neotoma Fuscipes Baird, the woodrat? I'd put a III after that one and explain that he - or excuse me, she, since it's Neotoma, not Neotome - graduated from some Ivy League college...
Well then, if the fires don't do it, TKO Orange beats fire!
A Lyme patient sprayed their 160 acres of land in Mendocino with 5 gallons of TKO Orange and reported no more ticks.
I reported this to the recent state LDAC meeting - Lyme Disease Advisory Committee - and a state vector control person is going to investigate it!
Of course, we do not know what the total ramifications are to all bug life or the environment from using the TKO Orange. And it is biodegradable, so when we use it for personal tick repellent, it needs to be applied I'd say daily.
Re the ticks in soil - another idea - to RAKE the orange stuff (Citrus SinensisItIs) into the soil? Just thinking outloud here tonite, upon the ashes of the fire hope.
- Robinellia TKOOrangePonderingIsMeicus
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sizzled
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Oh, crap.
And I thought the American Indians use to clear land AND insects by burning.
Guinea fowl anyone???
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treepatrol
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This a controled burn in forestry lingo but here in the east we have plenty of wildfires that do kill them but temps are higher on that type of fire which promotes regeneration of certain species of trees like oaks but kills maples pines etc. Here in the east is quite different than the western woods and our humidities are higher than western. If they really wanted to study western they should have checked out yellowstone after the big fire.
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seekhelp
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Does a nuclear bomb kill those mean critters?
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map1131
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Nasty son of a guns. It's said that all of God's creatures have a purpose? How could ticks have any purpose other than destruction?
seek, they would probably carry the nuclear waste with them.
Pam
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Teehee, Meg, I couldn't resist after seeing all those other names...
Tree, are you saying the fires would have to burn hotter? Have there been studies showing that ticks are not present after hotter fires?
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canbravelyme
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A. I thought there was no Lyme disease in California.
(and of course, the oft discussed:) B. If Lyme disease is so innocuous, why investigate strategies to reduce tick populations?
Gee, ticks being so adaptable, wouldn't they make great carriers for biological weapons?
Ms. 123 Recall that TKO Orange is neurotoxic.
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Canbrave, interesting about d'limonene being neurotoxic. I had only heard about all its good properties. So I looked it up online tonight and there are studies showing it has neurotoxic effects on various test subjects like worms, etc.
My experience with it: I am extremely affected by chemicals, like I'm out the door if they're around. Not this one - I can handle it. It's got a pleasant orange smell that evaporates in about a half hour, with good air circulation.
There was a fire next to me four years ago. Water from the fire came into my room and stank up the room with zillions of chemicals. I contacted two companies that did fire restoration work. When they showed me the cleaning products they would use, no way could I handle the fumes.
So then I thought of TKO Orange, since I knew it removed spots, stains and smells. We applied it twice to the walls, and voila, no more fire smells and I was able to be in the room again.
So my question still remains, just how toxic is it? We know it melts the exoskeleton of bugs. We know it's used as a termite treatment. So maybe it's toxic to some life but not other kinds?
We also have reports of people using it on their pets. For example, one woman in LA with a huge radio audience told me she was using it on her dog for tick protection - that is, lightly applied, not heavily.
I don't spray it on skin, just clothing.
It evaporates quickly. Maybe that helps it be less toxic? Don't know enough about it and haven't found sources yet to explain it better.
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